you'd let your kids go to school with Gary Suraci?

[Red Dawn]

Grrr Brandonn. Thats all i can say. Grrr.









PS actually i can say a lot more, such as why im growling at you. I think your statement 'i want him to find a woman to love, me & my wife great etc' is a really thick thing to say. Keeping polite =]. But seriously, just because you prefer the love of a woman doesnt mean its preferable. Sounds confusing, i mean its a matter of opinion, not fact, so just because you think he should be experiencing the love of a woman because its better than the love of a man, well thats dumb, he wouldnt enjoy the love of a woman at all, he does however enjoy the love of a man so he probably writes on forums how he wants you to experience the love of a man, because he thinks its better than the love of a woman and he wants you to have the great times he has with his guyfriends. But you do, with your wife. so when you say 'i want him to find a woman to love, me & my wife great etc' he already has one with all those great times, just without the 'wo'

And with a penis.

YES THERE WAS A POINT TO THAT!!!!

 

[Junk-Man]

Oh sure, its wrong for self-respecting parents to want their children taught by educators who themselves have self-respect and dignity.

Give me a break.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

I didn't realize anyone involved with this was lacking self-respect and dignity.

 

[Brandonn]

Lol @ And with a penis

Yes, I see your point. I'm sorry - it was a stupid statment. In this case his reationship is more like roomates, but that's not the point I suppose.

But I don't think I'll ever understand that, for me it wouldn't work. And maybe he or others think about the same oppsite thing like you said.

Honestly, I don't understand why anyone likes guys generally speaking. But Anyone likeing a girl, that seems normal. Woman seem more suited to the task. Most of us guys, are, well, you know...

 

[Red Dawn]

@brandonn
Cool bananas. And yeah i suppose i agree with you there.

@Junk
How does having a sex change mean you have no self-respect or dignity? Youre stupid. As a punishment for your stupidity, i shall break your toaster.

 

[MasterMind]

Hasn't anybody thought of how this will affect Genna? The psychological trauma of converting must be so immense. She would have to go through numerous analytical tests and scans just to make sure she was stable enough for her own well being.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

I'd imagine since this was Genna's decision and not something that was forced, the psychological trauma would be very little from converting. Especially since you have to be mentally stable to have this operation.

I wish Genna luck, especially with all the way people seem to be on a 4th grade level. Guys on guys - ewwwllll... that's how you get meat coodies.
-no that wasn't aimed at anyone in particular-

I'd imagine though considering the amount of effort it would have taken just to come to a decision, let alone to actually save enough to go threw with it, and then the public getting in on a truly personal decision is tough. But remove the old world bias and I think you've got a beautiful thing. Someone lifting their head up against the storm, and changing something about it.

 

[Minkoff]

Honestly, I don't understand why anyone likes guys generally speaking. But Anyone likeing a girl, that seems normal. Woman seem more suited to the task.

What task? If you're talking about PURE SEX you're full of shit since LOVE is a lot more important. Gay gays have can sex with women (and often do before they fully come to terms with who they really are) and enjoy it. Something feels empty afterwards in their hearts but THEIR DICKS ARE STILL BEING STIMULATED. and guess what. IT DOESN'T MATTER because they care more about LOVE.

and men are certainly "suited for" love just as much as women are.

Hasn't anybody thought of how this will affect Genna? The psychological trauma of converting must be so immense. She would have to go through numerous analytical tests and scans just to make sure she was stable enough for her own well being.

It will most likely affect her for the better. You don't seem to realize that this sort of thing isn't ALL THAT RARE today. it's only in the news because she's an educator. You sound like she's INSANE or something and she has to be TESTED. she's just a woman who was trapped in a man's body for most of her life and she wants to FIX A PROBLEM. it's not a big deal.

honestly this topic shouldn't even be here (not blaming 60 for making it- imo its a good symposium topic- but for the bigots who give him a REASON for making it).

Oh sure, its wrong for self-respecting parents to want their children taught by educators who themselves have self-respect and dignity.

I would want my kids to be taught by someone who has self-respect and dignity. And I'd definitely let them be educated by Mrs. Suraci, since she shows A WHOLE LOT MORE self-respect and dignity than a lot of people out there.

 

[Fafnir]

Good. Someone became what they were told they couldn't threw hardships uncounted, with constant strife and determination and made their dreams come true.
Hello, Hollywood? I've got a real American dream story come true for ya. Forget being told you can't play a sport, forget being told they have to play by rules that get smashed apart and proved to be wrong - here's someone being told they can't live their life by the rules other people set, and those rules being smashed apart and proved to be wrong.

Already been done. Transamerica. Pretty good movie. It's not to the exact specifications, but it fits the job pretty well.

 

[Venetia]

It's fine to feel uncomfortable towards "weird" or atypical behavior. I feel uncomfortable around folks who're really really happy and excited all the time. But discomfort shouldn't infringe on peoples' rights. People should be allowed to be as atypical as they want to be as long as it's not impeding the physical or fundamental rights of another.

And don't say it impedes fundamental rights of those being educated, because there has never been a study conclusively stating that children are better or worse off having been instructed by a transgender person. If there were such a study, and it conclusively proved that transgender people are much worse teachers than hetero or "normal" teachers, I might have to reassess my position.

Religious arguments go nowhere, especially in America--there's supposed to be such a thing as separation of church and state, and while all the politicians seem to forget this, this matter is more related to the state than the church.

 

[Red Dawn]

What task? If you're talking about PURE SEX you're full of shit since LOVE is a lot more important.

In your opinion. If he was talking about PURE SEX he wasnt full of shit, he was correct. Women are A LOT more suited for sex, namely because they have a vagina. If we assume love is more important, which isnt a fact, just your opinion, then i suppose youre right in that women and men are equal in loving somebody. Im too lazy to type anymore so ill just finish off with calling you stupid. Youre stupid.

 

[Minkoff]

I feel uncomfortable around folks who're really really happy and excited all the time.

Yeah me too. But that's a whole lot wierder than a sex change.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

Red Dawn, that made absolutely no sense.
Rock beats paper, paper beats scissors, vagina beats cock?
How is either one suited for sex better? They both seem equally suited if you ask me.

 

[Andy6000]

Look at his gender, he's probably a person that subscribes to the viewpoint that male on male sexuality is gross but female on female is hot. Not to mention, think of it from your own perspective (discount common sense or your usual thinking), a vagina is more suited for sex. I mean, you've got a penis, it doesn't exactly mesh with another penis. Less you're into sword fights or something.

 

[hima]

Red Dawn, that made absolutely no sense.
Rock beats paper, paper beats scissors, vagina beats cock?
How is either one suited for sex better? They both seem equally suited if you ask me.

The statement made sense if by PURE SEX he means reproduction. Women suit better because they can get pregnant and give a birth to a child. Vagina sure beat cock when it comes to this. Like animals, they don't care about love or whatever. Just do whatever their DNA told them to do.

However, if PURE SEX is defined by "having a good time with sex without love.", then I think this depends on people's taste and you can't really say vagina beats cock anymore.

Anyway, back to topic I'd still let my kids go to school with her. Her skills have nothing to do with her gender. I think many people have said a good point about this already.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

Andy, a vagina doesn't actually mesh well with another vagina, so penis on penis meshing isn't really a point, to be fair. If we can count one, we have to count the other.

And hima, if we are talking about PURE SEX, yes a woman can get pregnant. And how is the sperm sent along it's way to the egg? Threw the shaft of the penis which is inside the vagina, and down blah blah blah - take health class if you need the rest filled in.
That's like saying a bolt isn't as important as a nut when assembling something in the PURE sense of the instruction manual. To do so, you'd need to take the PURE bolt and put it in the PURE nut, and turn and you have something new. In PURE SEX you take the penis put it in the vagina, turn, and if your lucky in 9 months you have something new.

I mean, since we brought in PURE SEX in big caps there's no reason to bring up the countless non PURE ways to have impregnation at all is there?

 

[hima]

Hmm I didn't mean to sound like I was being sarcastic or anything, but if you feel that way I'm sorry.

I see your point now. They're both important. I probably shouldn't use the word "beat". It should be sex of people with same gender and sex of people with different gender. I apologize if my previous post make you upset or uncomfortable. And thanks you for making me see the point you're trying to make It's not about genitalia , it's more about the process.

 

[Andy6000]

Andy, a vagina doesn't actually mesh well with another vagina, so penis on penis meshing isn't really a point, to be fair. If we can count one, we have to count the other.

No see Sixty, you're using too much godamn logic here. I'm presenting this from the point of view of 'random symposium poster who thinks he's smart', not 'person with brain'. Penis + Penis = no. Vagina + vagina = hot. I don't even know why exactly, but this is relatively typical of males that post on the internet. Especially ones that can't seem to figure out how to type correctly. EDIT: oh and I forgot to mention here too, most people in this scenario wouldn't think beyond the selfish thought of 'which is suited better to ME to be using'.

I'm not saying that's 'how it is', far from it in fact. Because honestly, homosexuality makes no 'sense', it's just a... way of life. And considering that we're overpopulated and babies = bad, I'd say it's probably better at the moment. Not to mention, everyone should just do what makes them happy, as long as it's not interfering with others (ie, no public bdsm displays, but sex changes are a-okay). And unless you're sticking your nose everywhere but your own life, homosexuality doesn't interfere with you. And if some gay man is trying to get down your pants, that's not 'because he's gay', that's 'because he's a sexual deviant'. Which believe it or not, is actually a different thing. (random tangent, but I hear a lot of the reasoning for random homophobia as the stereotype of the 'hard gay' homosexual)

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

Ha!
Next time I come across homophobia, I'm going to bring that up. "Damn it, there's far too many babies in China! They need more homosexuals!"
-pointless post

 

[Red Dawn]

Fuck andy, you have terrible interpretation skills. You turned
'Women are A LOT more suited for sex, namely because they have a vagina'
into
'fags are yuck and lesbians are hot'
I wasnt even talking about sexuality, moron. I was saying that men cannot have regular sex. They can have have oral and anal, true, but it is not as effective as regular sex. Now dude, stop calling me thick, okay? Nearly everybody except you can understand what im saying, i type coherently. If i typo or fragment by mistake, get over it.

@sixtys first post
Im not saying penis' or vaginas are more suited for sex, im saying that penis' work better for sex when paired with a vagina than they do when paired with another penis. Or asshole. etc.

Not to mention, think of it from your own perspective (discount common sense or your usual thinking), a vagina is more suited for sex. I mean, you've got a penis, it doesn't exactly mesh with another penis. Less you're into sword fights or something.

That is pretty much what i was saying. And i get the feeling youre insulting me. Why..?

Jesus guys, what im saying is that when you put a penis in a vagina generally you will orgasm faster and harder than in any other body orifices. A vagina is made for sex, and so it should do so. That is what i am saying. You may think that anal or oral sex is much better, but youd be with the minority. I havent actually had anal sex, but i dont see why it would work better. Im not saying anything about being gay or lesbian, or reproduction.

oh and I forgot to mention here too, most people in this scenario wouldn't think beyond the selfish thought of 'which is suited better to ME to be using'

K, ruling out kinky stuff + handjobs, there are 3 basic types of sex. Anal, oral, and vaginal (Is that even a word?).
Oral:
Person getting oral benefits a lot.
Other gets nothing. Unless they like the taste.
Anal:
Dunno about girl. But most girls prefer normal sex so i assume it isnt as good as vaginal
For the guy, again i dont know from experience, but it sure doesnt seem like it would be better
Vaginal:
Great for both.
Therefore, assuming im not actually a fuckwit, Penis+vagina = best sex. So women and men having sex is better (pleasurewise) than men and men, or women and women. Ruling out toys etc...

God that was a long post about such a simple thing.