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you'd let your kids go to school with Gary Suraci?

First off let's define something.
A principal is not necessarily a in a teacher role. In fact, I've never had a principal who actually ever taught me a class.

Secondly a shemale has a penis, and hasn't had a sex change. A shemale is someone who appears to be female but has a male genitalia. Often they have implants, facial surgery, or hormones to appear more female - but not always. The closest thing to a sex change without using the technical jargon would be a modified partial castration, however the parts don't necessarily have to be removed, genital reconstruction surgery (GRS) for example merely modifies.

This is a sex reassignment surgery, and is more towards transgender and transexual orientations. This grouping includes transvestites, androgynes, and so on including cross dressing. However, that is not to say that these three sub groupings are all known for their SRS surgeries, as the studies on those who have the surgeries come from all walks of life. It's like saying breast implants are only for lesbians and porn stars, when it's obviously not.
Some consider a shemale to fall in this social grouping, same way people throw gays in there, as well as some "sexual deviants" and "taboos" but others attempt to clearly differentiate them apart. It's arguable whether or not transgender, shemales, and homosexuals (as well as other groups) can be put in one huge umbrella properly, too some. I won't say all, or even most (as I'm not sure which field has more players) but at least some.

Next is the fact that not all transgenders and transexuals are gay. There is actually a line. It's sometimes disputed because you can have homosexuals in these groups, but that doesn't make everyone of the group gay, just like because you have straight folk in their it doesn't make everyone straight.

Let's not forget the the actual nickings for those who have the surgeries.
Transwoman is a person who was male, and is now a female.
Transman is a female who became male.

Now, not all Transwomen have facial surgery and breast implants and take harmones, just as not all Transmen - well I know much less about them, but harmones and such aren't always the case.

Not all Transmen actually get a penis, sometimes it's actually "top only" to have their breast removed, and sometimes their physic slightly sculpted to appear more masculine. Not all transwomen (remember that's male to female) get a vagina either, some merely have facial surgery and implants, and such and such. This is the only spotting where shemale fits in, that's it, as this is the only group in here that still has a penis and a female appearance. That's only one of the several types of operations that can occur.
Since the "sex change" never happened, it is not in this sub category we are implying our conversation around. We are talking about the genitalia being altered.

Honestly I'm not sure which path of the various SRS' Gary/Genna Suraci had. It never actually said, but from impact I'm assuming it was what I mentioned before, the reshaping of the genitalia to construct a vagina.

Okay, we've cleared up a few things.

And if your curious this has been around since at least 1930/31, as the first recorded male to female surgery done proper occurred in Berlin. Also, while I'll still use the term "sex change" because of it's modern terminology it's completely wrong by definition, and it isn't used medically. The terms feminizing genitoplasty and masculinizing genitoplasty are.

There. Now we can use proper words because honestly this shemale mistake and various others are rather annoying, especially when people seem to point their argument towards one thing, but swerve with something completely inaccurate, combine two different things, or ultimately generalize improperly.

And yes, PeteD2S made me say to myself "I'm going to tell people what this really is", but his only mistake was using the term "shemale", where as others - including the media and other sources - have been so drastically wrong I didn't even recognize what they were saying. So Pete, don't think this rant is on you.
 
Heh, not at all... :O

The education system is probably different, but in my school, the..."principal"
is also a teacher. Not like a regular teacher, but a teacher. So that's why I said teacher.
 
Most principals have been teachers, but it's only by rule of thumb. I've had principals who at one time were teachers, but I've never had a principal who still taught in classes, ever.
I've never seen a principal even in a class room, only their office, halls, auditorium/cafeteria/gym (usually all the same room), and outside. That's what I mean by teach.
 
I don't get it, what exactly is the problem here?

So... transexuals aren't allowed to teach? That's a pretty fucked up analagy. Next it'll be "I don't want that gay person buying the same bread as me", or "I don't want my daughter to have a male teacher, he might molest her". It amounts to the same thing.

So she used to be a he. We're supposed to live in a multi-cultural, multi-gender, completely free society. It shouldn't matter if she is a he, if he is a she, if they were someone else or if they are gonna be someone else. Everyone should have equal opportunities.
 
He is entitled to live his life the way he chooses, but he is NOT a good role model for children. Nothing you say can change this fact (but I know you're all going to argue it anyway just because...).
 

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Junk-Man;295491 said:
He is entitled to live his life the way he chooses, but he is NOT a good role model for children. Nothing you say can change this fact (but I know you're all going to argue it anyway just because...).


Junk-Man, you should elaborate WHY he is not a good role model.
 
Maybe it's because "Some-Big-Guy-Who-Lives-Above-Us-And-Made-Us" made us according to a plan, and going against that plan is defying him?

And from the social look of it... come on... would you like the kids or anyone for that matter, to take that example:

"Oh! I don't like being a man, let's become a cross dresser!" And pretend that nothing happened?

Can you say that he's the best example to follow?

"Yes, he made a decision a carried it out! he deserves credit for not caring what everyone else says, and bla bla bla..."

Please remember that choices often lead to some nasty things... not saying this one will, but there's high chances it does
 
"Hey I don't like being a graphic artist! I'm gonna be a mathematician!"

*goes to school, gets master's in math, goes looking for jobs*

"WAIT?! It's not socially acceptable to change your role?! WELL, SHIT! I just wasted a bunch of money and time!"

* * *

Sexuality is private. The Slippery Slope argument has no place in judicial law. So get over it and worry about what's going on in your own backyard instead of his.

Just because he walks like a lady doesn't mean he's going to become an infectious plague, forcing all the young men in the school to cut off their manhood. You don't "contract" gender issues. Sometimes they're genetic. Sometimes they're conceived out of years and years of careful thought. Sometimes they're brought out from decades of abuse.

But if a boy says "I'm gonna be a lady becuz my principal did LOLZ" they don't deserve the right to impregnate anyone with their junk anyway and we're all better off.
 
Venetia;295702 said:
"Hey I don't like being a graphic artist! I'm gonna be a mathematician!"

*goes to school, gets master's in math, goes looking for jobs*

"WAIT?! It's not socially acceptable to change your role?! WELL, SHIT! I just wasted a bunch of money and time!"

* * *

Sexuality is private. The Slippery Slope argument has no place in judicial law. So get over it and worry about what's going on in your own backyard instead of his.

Just because he walks like a lady doesn't mean he's going to become an infectious plague, forcing all the young men in the school to cut off their manhood. You don't "contract" gender issues. Sometimes they're genetic. Sometimes they're conceived out of years and years of careful thought. Sometimes they're brought out from decades of abuse.

But if a boy says "I'm gonna be a lady becuz my principal did LOLZ" they don't deserve the right to impregnate anyone with their junk anyway and we're all better off.
Venetia it is things like that make you one of my favorite people here.
 
Seriously,
if the man up stairs had a problem with things - well then we should've been specifically told.

I've seen "God made man and woman"
I've seen a lot of things... but for a Man Up Stairs who is all time all present all knowing - he sure slipped up by not saying: "Though shall not change thy sexuality" let alone "Though shall not change thy gender"

But you know...
At least we know we can't kill, or steal - but hey...
 
I'm straight myself, but hearing god disapproved of gays, was one of the many (others include slavery supporting, anti-race mixing) things i found in the old testament that made me think, wow if god is real, he is a closed minded baby killing asshole, and I'm not worshiping that bastard!


So the whole, god thing about being gay/bi/sex-change or w/e, utter bullshit to me.


fuck it, i have gay friends, i live in a small town where being gay is pratically still a crime here, and you know what, i'm the only straight guy who fucking openly stands up for them, and for that I get shit all the time, but i dont care, People NEED to be more open minded.


Some of the homophobes here, they just anger me.
 
PINEDAXP;295637 said:
Maybe it's because "Some-Big-Guy-Who-Lives-Above-Us-And-Made-Us" made us according to a plan, and going against that plan is defying him?

And from the social look of it... come on... would you like the kids or anyone for that matter, to take that example:

"Oh! I don't like being a man, let's become a cross dresser!" And pretend that nothing happened?

Can you say that he's the best example to follow?

"Yes, he made a decision a carried it out! he deserves credit for not caring what everyone else says, and bla bla bla..."

Please remember that choices often lead to some nasty things... not saying this one will, but there's high chances it does

Cite somewhere in the bible that has God from a first hand source (akin to Moses citing God with his testaments) saying 'homosexuality is wrong'. The only thing that might lead you to believe that is that 'it doesn't make babies', and again, where does it say 'thou shalt only make babies, pleasure itself is wrong'. Actually no that sounds pretty close to what it says... Somewhere, I forget where, probably something to do with the sinful people of that awesome town, where all of them were evil. And gay. And those were somehow linked. But godamn would it be hot to rape an angel, right? (male angel) But anyways, according to the almost coherent logic of pleasure in itself without the purpose of procreating being wrong, one could also say condoms are just as wrong as homosexuality, or any contraception really.

Anyways, 'getting over society' can indeed lead to some bad things. Getting over society's objections and ethnically cleansing jews for instance. Not so hot. But considering this one is pretty much 'let me be myself' rather than 'let me change other people forcefully', I'd say it's probably okay.
 
attempted angel rape... I had forgotten about that

It states in the bible not to spill your seed (on the ground)
It states lots of things that people have perverted to say 'god hates you cause your gay'...

There's no true reference that's as clear as 'though shall not kill'
 
sixtyandaquarter;296072 said:
attempted angel rape... I had forgotten about that

It states in the bible not to spill your seed (on the ground)
It states lots of things that people have perverted to say 'god hates you cause your gay'...

There's no true reference that's as clear as 'though shall not kill'

How clear is that though? I mean God orders tons of people to take over towns and kill every living soul there.

God was big on the war thing, and that def. involved killing.


Like how he says if your CHILD is unruly or misbehaves, your to take him to the center of your town and say "my son is unruly and misbehaves" and the town is to stone him to death.


so were does that fall under thou shalt not kill?


and jesus caught fish, so they died, he killed fish.
 
Phoenix, what does that have to do with this?
Are you saying that God did say that Gary/Genna Saruci is wrong? Or right?

Cause I'm saying the bible totters who claim this as against God's will have nothing to show for it.
The bible stats "though shalt not kill". Sure there's dozens of places where killing was viewed as both right and wrong.
But there's not one place that as clearly points to a no, when it comes to gender bending, homosexuality, and such. You have to dig and fill in the lines with the logic you were brought up with.

Someone can still say, regardless, look it's right here : Though shalt not kill. It's black and white. No such passage exists without a little imagination on either part that shows a clarity on the Almighty's view regarding "sexual deviancy" as some would wrongly name it.

Your argument neither argues me or agrees with me, and yet you felt like quoting me. I have no idea what the point was.
 
I was saying its not really a clear message either. In fact anything in the bible can be viewed to make it right or wrong depending on how you interpret text.
 
Love ya, Venetia.

Anyway, a little biology lesson:

Sex (anatomy of sexual organs) is not genetic (in the sense of XY = male, XX = female most people are taught), but rather depends on a very complicated process of genetic and hormonal switches. Thus, there are XX males, XY females, XXY females and males, even XYYYY males (though these rarely survive).

Sex change operations are lengthy procedures that generally involve plastic surgery, hormone treatment, counseling, and finally, sexual reassignment surgery. And, yes, female-to-male is just as possible as male-to-female.

Gender (self image and roll in society) derives primarily from the structure of certain parts of the brain, such as the hippocampus. These are shaped early in gestation by the amount of testosterone in the womb, thus, a female who grew with more testosterone is likely to be transexual, while a male with less testosterone is more likely to be transexual. Society also plays a role in this

Sexuality (the gender one is attracted to) is determined, like gender, almost entirely by ratios of hormones in the womb.

Since sex, gender, and sexuality are each determined independently (though are influenced by some of the same factors), it is natural and expected for some people to have conflicting body and mind. Since so much in society is based on sex, rather than gender, most transsexuals feel the need to change their sex (which is alterable) to match their gender (which is not).

**Note**
This not my opinion, it is generally accepted, scientific fact derived from many studies and experiments by many researchers on sheep, penguins, dolphins, ducks, cows, and humans.

Now a Bible lesson:
The Old Testament is fairly clear that homosexuality between men (not between women) is verboten ("Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination," Lev. 18:22). However, in the same category ("abominations") are shaving, harvesting the corners of the field, charging interest on a loan, eating shrimp, and getting a tattoo. I don't see many of the bigots on this board signing up to follow Leviticus to the letter, though, so I think we can discard this passage as irrelevant. Just as you cannot call yourself a scientist if you cherrypick data to support your hypothesis, you cannot call yourself a Christian (or a Jew) if you cherrypick verses to support your preconceived notion of "morality."

The New Testament is somewhat more difficult to interpret because the exact definitions of certain words have been lost. However, we can say for sure that it is only in the epistles (written by a man or men who never met Jesus and who preached a very different doctrine from the Jerusalem church of the disciples), and not the gospels (which claim to include the words of Jesus), that homosexuality might be condemned. In fact, the epistle most often cited, Romans, appears to be directed at Christians who have mixed into their worship a fertility cult rite similar to the Bacchanalia (essentially an orgy, with plenty of wine and hallucinogens, and not necessarily homo- or even bisexual).

A civics lesson:
What the Bible says (and what you find icky) really doesn't matter when crafting laws or hiring principals. Since the 1st amendment prohibits laws "respecting an establishment of religion," one cannot legitimately base a case for a governmental decision on the Bible, the Qu'ran, or the Kama Sutra (though that might lead to some interesting laws).

And basing decisions on what you find icky is kind of silly. I believe that hunting is despicable, does that mean I should keep my kids from attending a school run by a hunter (assuming he isn't propagandizing on behalf of the NRA)? Besides, how about if you take into account the opinions of the 20 percent of us who either follow no religion at all or one that's not run by homophobes? Or the majority of the population that doesn't give a flying fuck about homosexuality one way or the other?
 
How can somebody have more than 2 bonded chromosomes? XYYYY? How can 4 sperm link with a single egg? I never knew that could happen...

EDIT: Just checked out wiki and saw klinefelter sydrome (XXY) and XYY syndrome and a couple others. Guess you aren't talking out your ass hehe xD
 

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