you'd let your kids go to school with Gary Suraci?

[Ceroscuro]

I still have not seen anyone say how this is going to affect the (wo)man's teaching abilities or qualifications...

And if he's going to talk about it... so what? If that encourages your kid to do it, either your child really wants that, or they are far too impressionable.

Since it's a high school, there wouldn't really be a need to be naive about it; the head of your school is now a different sex. Great. It doesn't really matter whether YOU AGREE WITH HIS DECISION or not, he's not going to negatively impact your child in any way, so what is the disadvantage of exposing your child to this?

Even if you think that having a sex change is the WORST THING POSSIBLE that someone could do... it can often be good to let your children know about bad things, as long as they aren't harmed. This just shows them an example of a sex change in effect and then your child can actually FORMULATE THEIR OWN OPINIONS instead of adopting those of their parents.

 

[craybest]

I'll never understand those "morality" issues, to me something isn't inmoral perse, but because it has a negative impact on something, what negative impact does homosexuality have? that children will know it exists? how is it bad if homosexuality isn't bad to start with? that like saying eating vanilla ice cream instead of chocolate is bad because others could start trying it, so?
You don't even have to get to the sex issue when talking about homosexuality to a kid, you could just say that he prefers to have a husband instead of a wife, there end of discussion.
About this principal, I could care less, I don't see how this could impact the children (Although I imagine a change this big in a person's life, DOES generate several feelings in that person, and he/she may not be the most stable person for a while, but that has noting to do with sex change itself)

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

that like saying eating vanilla ice cream instead of chocolate is bad because others could start trying it, so?

I'm stealing this.
Next time my little cousin responds negatively about alternative lifestyles I'm throwing this at her. I've never found an analogy her young mind could fathom, thanks.

 

[Ceroscuro]

The only problem is that the Bible strictly forbids vanilla ice cream.

 

[PINEDAXP]

I do agree with that, but you can be sure of having neo liberalism people debating that, as well as frikkin atheists...

I think that this person's performance should be strictly supervised and later might consider it...

 

[Andy6000]

yeah, damn atheists and how they don't know how to do anything right.

and yeah i agree that this abomination(NOOFFENSE) should be strictly monitored by a panel of 30 of our finest pastors and reverends, as no one else has the moral competency to do the job

 

[Phaemon]

Frikkin' athiest here.

Sometimes I wish christians would look around and see where the hate comes from.

I dont see why people insist on trying to run other peoples lives. If someone wants to change sexes, so be it. Live your lives and let them live theirs.

Every religion seems to believe they're the only ones with any type of moral compass or decency, but most religions all started the same way (with bloody swords).

When "Join us or die" became unacceptable, they just rested on "Join us or you'll regret it when you die."

I dont like the subject of religion, but thats my 2 cents, and I'm done with this post (hopefully).

 

[PINEDAXP]

I wouldn't say that this is completely a religious matter, but I think that's a bad example of people...

I like you Phae, I really do, but this type of person should be examined so we're sure that it is able to go on completely normal, it's nearly impossible. But if it's able to be completely unnoticed I'll send my kids there... (note that I'm sure it won't)

And not to offend, but we all expected this comment

 

[Fafnir]

The only problem is that the Bible strictly forbids vanilla ice cream.

Yes, but not everyone's Christian.

 

[Andy6000]

Yes, but not everyone's Christian.

but everyone should be, because vanilla ice cream is a sin, and those that partake will burn in hell for their crimes.

 

[Minkoff]

frikkin atheists...

man I'm sure that she has really prepared for this- steps like this usually come after years of planning (and saving up the money for the operation) but i wish her luck with the new school year. i'm sure a lot of bigoted students would give her a real hard time. she'll probably be able to take it and i'm sure they would get over it after a while but it could make things less enjoyable for her in the very beginning.

oh yeah and it goes without saying that there's nothing wrong with what she did

EDIT
man why is there even talk about HOMOSEXUALITY and stuff this is a totally different matter. if she was a woman in a man's body and she felt attracted to men for the majority of her life that makes her STRAIGHT anyway and getting the operation doesn't change that.

EDIT AGAIN
and yeah to the idiot who was saying that no straight man gets off to chicks with dicks or whatever YOU CANNOT BE MORE WRONG. pretty much EVERY MAN has some homoerotic fantasies at some point in his life and I PERSONALLY AM SO COMFORTABLE IN MY HETEROSEXUALITY THAT I HAVE NO PROBLEM ADMITTING THAT I CAN GET TURNED ON BY GUY ON GUY (OR GIRLwDICK ON GUY) SEX.

EDIT AGAIN AGAIN
you people realize that the concept of a SEXUAL ORIENTATION is a relatively new one. two hundred years ago or whatever there wasn't any idea of GAY OR STRAIGHT. if a man had sex with another man he might have been mocked a bit for THE ACT OF HAVING SEX but he wouldn't be BRANDED A FAGGOT OR HOMO for the rest of his life. sex and love is sex and love and the whole idea of EACH PERSON ONLY BATS FOR ONE TEAM AND THAT IS IT AND IF A GUY HAS GAY SEX EVER IT MEANS HE'S A HOMO!!! is a totally new one and truthfully its pretty fucked up

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

this type of person should be examined so we're sure that it is able to go on completely normal, it's nearly impossible.

I don't know... but you sound like you're saying that this person is unable to be who she was as a he. That somehow their mental, emotional, psychological - whatever we want to define or counter measure - would some how be diminished.

@no one really
Genna Suraci is my new hero of the week. To hell with the world and what they may think, this is honestly a really nice message to send your kids.

Seriously.

You have a movie that my dad kept trying to get me to watch as a kid because of the value in it's message. This little kid, you know him as Rudy, constantly told, led to believe, or tricks himself into thinking he's physically wrong (too small) to be a football player. Guess what? He becomes a foot ball player. People cheer!

You have this life, on the other hand.
This principal whose done real good, as I'm led to believe, in his career. You know him as Gary. He's constantly told, or he's constantly under the belief that, or he's thinking to himself that just because he wants to be a football player - err I mean woman, that he's physically wrong (wrong parts) to be a woman linebacker.

Guess what? She becomes a woman, and I bet you she's more comfortable in a defensive end position than he was before. Wow, horribly bad and inappropriate jokes aside...

Can't be a footballer. Plot elements I had forgotten. Becomes a footballer. Cheers.
Can't be a woman. Interchangeable parts. Jeers?

Good. Someone became what they were told they couldn't threw hardships uncounted, with constant strife and determination and made their dreams come true.
Hello, Hollywood? I've got a real American dream story come true for ya. Forget being told you can't play a sport, forget being told they have to play by rules that get smashed apart and proved to be wrong - here's someone being told they can't live their life by the rules other people set, and those rules being smashed apart and proved to be wrong.

I can only hope this inspires, yes that's right I hope it plagues the landmasses like wild fire, and inspires people to go obtain their goals regardless of what they may be. If it makes them happy, and doesn't go around killing people and maiming them like some kind of African lion on meth crossbred with one of them new fangled Brazilian killer bee, then by all means reach for the sky and pluck yourself a star.

 

[Brandonn]

I think a real issue is we don't know why they made the change. Some people may make the change due to some instability, some may not. But would a psyc test or something similar not be a good thing? Just to ensure the safty of the kids. Maybe they are fine and can still do the job...

And if your a true Christian, you must show love to all your Brothers, I'm not saying accept stuff that is wrong, but don't hate it either, hate won't change anyone/thing.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

They do actually perform tests on your stability before even allowing you to further consider this.

The moment you are serious about it, a doctor will send you to be analyzed. If you are in perfect shape, that is without any slanted morale bias either towards or against this thing, it's off to check your credit balance.

 

[Brandonn]

That is something I didn't know, and does make it a bit better, although, I think if it was a good school, and I talked to my kids about what I wanted them to know, there should be no issue. It's not like it's a murder. But I must be honest, first hearing about it, it has shock value.

Second, it goes against God's divine plan. Although, to be completely honest, if God's divine plan was to have no homosexuals, then there would be no homosexuals. End of Story.

I did want to call you out on this. I'm very certain many things in this world aren't part of God's Divine plan, murder - rape - etc, and they still happen. So your reasoning here is meaningless.

And can I say one thing about Gay/Lesbians, they are people, and it is considered a sin, but they are people. And I'm not gay, but I sin all the time, it is my nature. They don't hate me, I don't hate them. Certain situations need to be called out, in love. But this? Not my place, at least not at this time. If someone gay came to me, deciding they wanted help, I'd try. But I've also tried to give relationship advice to one of my gay co-workers. I'd like him to find a woman to love, because I think the love for my wife, and what we do together is so great. But I have no desire to changing him.

IF YOU READ ONLY ONE THING, READ THIS:
Yeah, I think it's wrong, but I don't think it's as big a deal as it's made into. We all are different, we all have freewill, and we all should live together in love. If any of us have an issue we want help with, let's help them. Otherwise, unless it's causing others issues, let's not make it an issue. Judge justly for you will be judged in the manor that you judge others.

 

[Minkoff]

I'd like him to find a woman to love, because I think the love for my wife, and what we do together is so great.

WHAT. what makes you think he can't love another man just as much or even more than you love your wife.

 

[Brandonn]

It's nothing bad guy, it's just more natural for me. Just like the oppsite is true for him. I just think nothing can compare to the love of a woman.

 

[Minkoff]

It's nothing bad guy, it's just more natural for me. Just like the oppsite is true for him. I just think nothing can compare to the love of a woman.

Except for the love of a man.

 

[Andy6000]

That is something I didn't know, and does make it a bit better, although, I think if it was a good school, and I talked to my kids about what I wanted them to know, there should be no issue. It's not like it's a murder. But I must be honest, first hearing about it, it has shock value.



I did want to call you out on this. I'm very certain many things in this world aren't part of God's Divine plan, murder - rape - etc, and they still happen. So your reasoning here is meaningless.

And can I say one thing about Gay/Lesbians, they are people, and it is considered a sin, but they are people. And I'm not gay, but I sin all the time, it is my nature. They don't hate me, I don't hate them. Certain situations need to be called out, in love. But this? Not my place, at least not at this time. If someone gay came to me, deciding they wanted help, I'd try. But I've also tried to give relationship advice to one of my gay co-workers. I'd like him to find a woman to love, because I think the love for my wife, and what we do together is so great. But I have no desire to changing him.

IF YOU READ ONLY ONE THING, READ THIS:
Yeah, I think it's wrong, but I don't think it's as big a deal as it's made into. We all are different, we all have freewill, and we all should live together in love. If any of us have an issue we want help with, let's help them. Otherwise, unless it's causing others issues, let's not make it an issue. Judge justly for you will be judged in the manor that you judge others.

Ding - Fun time:

God = omnipotent, right?

Oh wait no, he's not, we have free will, and not everything goes how he plans. Or he could be.

A. God is not omnipotent - Why worship him? Is he just a real cool guy that is terrible at planning? (DONT TOUCH TREE, OH FUCK YOU TOUCHED IT, YOUR KIDS ARE FUCKED, FUCKED FUCKED FUCKED)

B. God is omnipotent and his plan is going as planned - What an asshole

C. God is omnipotent, but didn't bother making a plan or enforcing it, instead choosing to rely on some convoluted pyramid scheme involving his jewish zombie son and a triangle. Again, what an asshole.

Also I like how 'a gay co-worker comes to me for help'. Seriously, how pretentious can you be? He probably comes up and is like, "hey dude can I have a stapler?" and you give him a godamn lecture about how his love is fake and can never compare to the REAL love that your (see above) crazy god made up. I really don't think you're the best person for a homosexual to ask advice on anything, since you're obviously biased, even if you don't 'hate' him. (Hate the sin, not the sinner etc etc)

I respect your beliefs and all (well, not really, but I still recognize that they're about as possible as anything else), but when you're talking about how you just talk to some random guy and tell him he's a failure at life for going the way his brain tells him to.

Also yes @ sixty's post, s/he is a pretty cool guy, and deserves some cheers for overcoming society. Maybe in a few years we'll get over it and celebrate it. (you know, like Martin Luther King Jr., not saying ms. Suraci quite lives up to that, but a similar sort of thing with the approbation)

oh and a note, the god reasoning wasn't mine, but I liked it, and I figured a taste of your own 'you're wrong' medicine would maybe produce some uh... perspective.

 

[Brandonn]

Dude, I said I tried to help him, not he comes to me for advice - don't be stupid. But he was talking to me about some problems he was having and I was trying to offer up suggestions. In this case, the relationship has no trust, so I don't care what genders are involved. No trust = bad relationship.

As for "Except for the love of a man." I have every right to think that the love of a woman is best, just as you have the right to think no woman could compare to the love of any man. Just as what I think. We can change the topic is you like, hands-down, Pepsi is the best!

Anyway - I don't want to have the I'm right attitude, trying to avoid it actually. But you must know, I never said anything was wrong with this guy or anyone else. While it's true that some trauma can lead to that choice, some people just choose it on their own, so gay/lesbian doesn't mean damaged brain. Honestly I don't know - but I don't need to either. Maybe it was bad to have an example, I dunno.

Listen - about the God thing. If there was no tree, if there was no way to disobey God, would we have had freewill. God put in Adam and Eve's mind only good, by eating the fruit they could be "like God" in that they would know both good and evil. It was their choice. God doesn't want blind followers, I know this problem sounds odd, but it's true, we are to question things, learn, teach. We are to believe because it makes sense. But the freewill thing, do you understand what I'm trying to explain?

"I figured a taste of your own 'you're wrong' medicine would maybe produce some uh... perspective."
I'm not trying to give you any "medicine". I'm trying to have a conversation about something I found interesting. And I though it'd be nice to show I don't have the same perspective as others, as many "Christians" don't even really understand what and how they are supposed to be and act.