Why Wii?

[BellGoRiiing]

Would you rather play Tetris on Gameboy, Gamecube or Wii?

There was a rumor that a lot of Square-Enix games will be going to Wii / DS. Such as any new Kingdom Hearts releases.

Funny you mention that. Anyone noticed Nobuo Uematsu is doing some compositions in Brawl? Someone I was chatting to was saying that this could be because Nintendo is borrowing some stuff from Square for Brawl, so we might expect to see a Square character joining the fray, Cloud or Sora perhaps. In return, in the next Kingdom Hearts we might see in replacement of Disney locations (we've seen repeats of some already in the second installment; that was no fun!), Nintendo locations. Can you imagine fighting heartless alongside DK?!

This is highly unlikely and but a pipe dream so don't go taking this seriously.

If a Suare character was going to get in, it would most likely be Geno...Unless 2 of their characters are getting in...

 

[Andy6000]

Even though the Wii may be similar to the GameCube, it’s nowhere the same in size. Mario Galaxy is a beautiful game, has awesome lighting, fog effects, particle water without the Lag. Now how did Halo 2 perform on the XBOX? Third Party developers are lazy and don’t refer to Nintendo, or they don’t know what the Wii can actually handle performance wise. The ATI/AMD GPU has a lot of potential, and can support many modes. I’d refer to Mario Galaxy as much as I could because of its Beauty.

Why is it that almost every Nintendo supporter uses the '3rd party developers are just lazy' argument?  Do you think that maybe the hardware is just difficult to use?  Potential for graphics doesn't mean a whole lot when you have to double your budget just to reach it.  Nintendo has the cash to throw around on things like that to keep their reputation up, other publishers don't feel like wasting profit spending just as much money developing a (still inferior looking) game on the Wii as they would on the other two consoles.  This is also true of the Playstation 3, but considering how much farther the graphics on that can actually go, I'd be less inclined to use it as a case there.

Why is it that third party developers can manage to kick ass on every other console BUT a Nintendo console?

Alright, and now it's time for something I did like 8 months ago!  Review comparison time!  We'll use the PS3 and Wii again, since they came out at almost the same time, and games that score above an 8.0 at gamespot.

Wii: 37
PS3: 38

Not very different yes, but as it was last time, let's look at how many of those are virtual console releases!  19 of the Wii releases are virtual console games that scored above an 8.0.  5 of them were cross-system or re-releases (and two of those were re-releases of a nintendo exclusive game).

The PS3's 38 had a whopping 29 cross-system releases above 8.0, which doesn't say much about its exclusive library, especially considering every game above a 9.0 is a cross-system release.  But on the flip-side that also means that third-party developers can, in fact, be competent enough to actually create something worthwhile. 

 

[4StarGeneral]

Would you rather play Tetris on Gameboy, Gamecube or Wii?

There was a rumor that a lot of Square-Enix games will be going to Wii / DS. Such as any new Kingdom Hearts releases.

Funny you mention that. Anyone noticed Nobuo Uematsu is doing some compositions in Brawl? Someone I was chatting to was saying that this could be because Nintendo is borrowing some stuff from Square for Brawl, so we might expect to see a Square character joining the fray, Cloud or Sora perhaps. In return, in the next Kingdom Hearts we might see in replacement of Disney locations (we've seen repeats of some already in the second installment; that was no fun!), Nintendo locations. Can you imagine fighting heartless alongside DK?!

This is highly unlikely and but a pipe dream so don't go taking this seriously.

Pfft...like they'd use Kingdom stupid Hearts characters...they already have Square characters anyways...Ehem: Marth, Roy, new one whos name I can't remember but I don't really care either, I mean they've got Square in the bag.

But Nobuo is just an orchestra, it's not like they work exclusively for Square-Enix...

 

[arcthemonkey]

Nobuo Uematsu is a single man who lives in New York :P

 

[Sic Semper Tyranosaurus]

Nobuo Uematsu is a single man who lives in New York :P

But how many cats does he have?

 

[JonoSasson]

Never said I believed it, frankly I think it's a load of dog crap (to but it bluntly). I do like Kingdom Hearts though, but still not enough to put the money into a PS3. I'd definitely get it if it were on Wii... it's just more accessible to me.

That is, if it's actually out in like the next decade... how long was the gap between 1 and 2? They made a side-game on GBA before releasing its sequel. 5, 6 years?

 

[BellGoRiiing]

Nobuo Uematsu is a single man who lives in New York :P

But how many cats does he have?

...............What?!

 

[Xilef]

I just wanted to get some opinions on the Wii. I just don't understand why anyone would want them so badly. I went into gamestop and for the short amount of time I was in there, people were FLOODING the store begging for Wiis. Why? Why do OLDER people want them so bad?
The graphics suck, they're the same as the gamecube. Nothing but a gamecube with an innovative controller. People would rip limbs off in stores to get their hands on them. Why?
I mean, what a great scam. Let's make the same thing with a different controller.
I understand the novelty of getting off your ass and 'interacting' with the game, but other than that, all I can see it being for is for little kids. Sure it might be amusing for an adult for a few minutes, but the games are for kids (not all, but most).
I have known a bunch of people who traded their wii in after the fun factor wore off. You don't always want to get up to play video games and sometimes, you don't want to play Mario's fun adventure, you want to kill things. Again, I am aiming this opinion at an older audience, because they are the people with the cash spending it on the Wiis.
Sure its cute for your kid, but I'm wondering why adults want them. The price is good, but like I said, it's the same thing as the Gamecube, and the game variety just isn't there.
Why adults? Even teenagers, why? Why are people injuring the poor UPS guy bringing the packages in to get this second rate machine?

I'm guessing you've never even played a Wii by these comments, because if you had then you'd know that the games are actually fun, which is becoming pretty rare for video games these days. And also, graphics the same as the GC? WTF are you smoking? That's just some crap ass rumour some PS3 fanboy  made up after playing a PS2->Wii port.
The target audience for the Wii is much broader than the PS3 and XBOX360, the Wii targets more than 13-23 year olds, it goes for the elderly and very young as well as the in betweens. It's all about the genius marketing of the Wii, Halo 3 fanboys should know about advertising and target audiences, there's the cute games for children, hardcore games like metroid for young adults, games for girls, simple games for your mum and easy motion games for older people who cant read the buttons on the wii remote.
And the price, people can actually afford the Wii, you don't have to have inherited money to buy a Wii unlike a PS3, and there is just the Wii with wii sports, no multiple flavours of Wii, no Wii elite or Wii Pro with an extra 512 mb of HDD.
Face it, the Wii is fun, affordable and well marketed, which is what used to make a games console sell until companies now-a-days sell consoles based on it's super expensive laser beam that reads the disks faster or a well marketed  sequel of what used to be a great game.
Fun? Do you remember what that was? Fun. It's what you felt when playing through the original Sonic special stage, or when you make an excellent turning in F-Zero, you felt that the game you were currently playing was Fun.
And now every one can have fun with the Wii.
Wii should all have fun for once.

 

[JonoSasson]

Wii should all have fun for once.

Unless you're directly referring to Wii consoles, I can't believe you just made that joke. The only person I know still doing that is my mum. She laughs whenever I say it.

The rest of your argument is valid, especially the good turns in F-Zero. Come to think, that was pretty fun. And satisfying.

Nobuo Uematsu is a single man who lives in New York :P

But how many cats does he have?

...............What?!

Um... best not to worry.

 

[apzrman]

Nobuo Uemastu composing songs for Smash Bros. doesn't really mean much. Nintendo have asked around for some music to be put into the game, some others are:

Akihiro Honda - MGS4/MGS Portable Ops
Jun Fukuda - Killer 7
Masato Kouda - Devil Mary Cry
Yoko Shimomura - Kindgom Hearts

So, as you can see. Nintendo want a wide array of music t put into the game.

 

[Dopples]

Would you rather play Tetris on Gameboy, Gamecube or Wii?

There was a rumor that a lot of Square-Enix games will be going to Wii / DS. Such as any new Kingdom Hearts releases.

Funny you mention that. Anyone noticed Nobuo Uematsu is doing some compositions in Brawl? Someone I was chatting to was saying that this could be because Nintendo is borrowing some stuff from Square for Brawl, so we might expect to see a Square character joining the fray, Cloud or Sora perhaps. In return, in the next Kingdom Hearts we might see in replacement of Disney locations (we've seen repeats of some already in the second installment; that was no fun!), Nintendo locations. Can you imagine fighting heartless alongside DK?!

This is highly unlikely and but a pipe dream so don't go taking this seriously.

Pfft...like they'd use Kingdom stupid Hearts characters...they already have Square characters anyways...Ehem: Marth, Roy, new one whos name I can't remember but I don't really care either, I mean they've got Square in the bag.

But Nobuo is just an orchestra, it's not like they work exclusively for Square-Enix...

Marth, Roy, and Ike aren't Square characters :| What gave you that idea?

 

[madmax_vii]

Okay, if you want me to be brutally honest, I don't like wii wii. It stinks! And puns aside the wii is just a consumer trap, there's all the little gadgets and gimmicks and widgets and hot asian models (yay for me!) in the adverts but it's a trap preying on people's money, cause as soon as you buy the Wii you gotta fork out over $300 more before you unlock its full capabilities, and not even walmart can beat that price!

Wii ftl, Asian models ftw! At least Nintendo did one thing right....

 

[JonoSasson]

Another $300? What?

And look at the 360. Upgrade the Hard drive, pay for internet subscription... expensive enough!
The PS3... does it even come with a control?

Believe it or not, there are further costs for other consoles too, not just the Wii... and where did you get $300 from? $300 on what?

 

[Dopples]

Another $300? What?

And look at the 360. Upgrade the Hard drive, pay for internet subscription... expensive enough!
The PS3... does it even come with a control?

Believe it or not, there are further costs for other consoles too, not just the Wii... and where did you get $300 from? $300 on what?

He's probably talking about games, which would be pretty stupid. No matter which console you get, you're buying the games anyways. Again, it's all about preference. I don't judge you cause you like an oversized hunk of plastic with the power of a super computer that has features ripped off of the consoles before it. =o


Ok, I lied, I do judge, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't realize that we all have different wants when it comes to games!

 

[apzrman]

He's probably talking about games, which would be pretty stupid. No matter which console you get, you're buying the games anyways.

He's probly talking about the accessories, I've seen hundreds of accessories for the Wii, or DS. They might be some good ideas, but really, I don't see how adding a tennis racket to the end of your Wiimote is going to help you in tennis.

 

[Dopples]

He's probably talking about games, which would be pretty stupid. No matter which console you get, you're buying the games anyways.

He's probly talking about the accessories, I've seen hundreds of accessories for the Wii, or DS. They might be some good ideas, but really, I don't see how adding a tennis racket to the end of your Wiimote is going to help you in tennis.

Every console has had weird accesories. RE4 Chainsaw Controller anyone? But yeah, it's not like you have to buy those. The only half useful ones would be the gun-cradles, and that's only minimal at best.

 

[Andy6000]

To clarify on Madmax's point...  You buy a Wii.  That's $250 there.  Everyone keeps saying it's for multi-player enjoyment, and seems to mean the whole 'let's all hang out in one room and play mario party for six hours' kind of enjoyment.  So that means extra controllers right?  I assume you'd want the remote control and the nunchuck, so that's a cool $60 per extra player.  Now, the Wii doesn't come with any games but Wii Sports (which is apparently pretty fun, though I haven't tried it).  Let's just say you're gonna get one of the newer Wii games, say Mario Galaxy: $50.  Now of course you're probably going to get aggravated and tired of using the remote only, so let's tack on an extra $20 for that classic controller.  But hey, don't want it to feel like you've gone back to the SNES days?  Tack on that $7 for the cool grip for said classic controller.  The 512MB of internal memory probably won't satisfy your future needs for virtual console releases, media, and save games, so let's say you spend $50 on a 2GB memory stick.

So let's tally up the cost for...  Well, only one additional player.  Who wants to start off 4 player, right?  $464 plus whatever tax you might be obliged to pay.  Only $200 extra, but that's also only 1 game and 1 extra player.

Let's take a look at the Xbox360.  Well actually I can't seem to find a price for just the console alone (other than the Arcade, which doesn't have a hard drive or so I hear) so we'll just go with the next closest thing.  $350 for the Xbox360, 20GB harddrive, 1 controller, and two games (in this case: Forza Motorsports and Marvel: Ultimate Alliance).  Say let's go for that 1 extra controller, and hell, even another game.  Let's go for Halo, you can play that with your new friend/extra controller. 

That will bring us up to $460 plus whatever taxes you might pay.  For two fully functional controllers, a bigger harddrive, three games rather than two (not to mention I'm not even sure if Wii Sports is a 'full' game), and etc.  Oh wait I forgot online crap.  $510 for more crap.  You get the point.  They basically cost the same if you account for your tastes in accessories.  Not to mention the 360 is more of a 'get one controller and play online' sort of console anyways.

On a final note, El Felixio: there is no standard for fun.  To be honest, I am not a fan of most Nintendo first party games.  All Mario except Mario Bros 3 bore me to tears, I've never held enough of an interest to play a Zelda game beyond two hours, and Super Metroid is the only Metroid game I've actually beaten on my own time.  But sure, continue make believing that your one, narrow view is the 'right' one.  It all comes down to what you like, and I don't like the Wii.  Not saying it's a terrible console (the success of the thing is undeniable, people love you for creating cheaper stuff, you're loved by family people for creating a friendlier system, you rake in tons of money for how ridiculously cheap your stuff really is.  It's pretty much a complete success thus far)

 

[JonoSasson]

American prices, how I envy you guys. Let me give you a run-down of Australian prices.

Wii: $400
Remote: $70
Nunchuk: $30
Classic Control: $30
Mainstream games: $100
Not-so mainstream games: $70
Even less-so mainstream games (read: Shit games): $50
2000 Wii points: $35 (recently increased by $5)

Though our Wii's are 1gig memory... Another worthwhile accessory for said Wii is the rechargeable battery packs and charger station... and also the 7m recognition Sensor Bar. Most Aussie accessories go for about $25.

Having had my Wii for about a year now, I've probably spent about $2500 on it. That's crazy.

In comparison, our 360's go for I think $600, and PS3's for $800.

 

[4StarGeneral]

Nobuo Uematsu is a single man who lives in New York :P

Hmm...you've got my number.

Pfft...like they'd use Kingdom stupid Hearts characters...they already have Square characters anyways...Ehem: Marth, Roy, new one whos name I can't remember but I don't really care either, I mean they've got Square in the bag.

But Nobuo is just an orchestra, it's not like they work exclusively for Square-Enix...

Marth, Roy, and Ike aren't Square characters :| What gave you that idea?

You also have my number...
I never post such BS, but apparently when I do, I post a lot of it.

And I double posted to worsen the problem :/
I give up for today...

 

[Loofah]

I'm not going to read through all of this as I'm an impatient 13 year old.

Any way I think the wii is fantastic, I never cared much for the fps of the xbox becuase fps should stay on the computer. And the graphical masterpieces of the PS3 were, well just graphical masterpieces nothing more.I loved assassins creed but it is coming to the PC aswell as the PS3 and 360.

I've had super mario Galaxy for 3 weeks and still haven't finished it, if you think you could rent a game like that for 3 weeks you have to be kidding me.

I did read through the first page of the topic which kind of left me felling as if I'd go play some more Galaxy or some more Twilight Princess, because they were really excellent games.

And I'll admit there are alot of really sucky wii games (we're looking at you Rayman). But all the games that Nintendo's companys are making are frikking amazing! I personally think that nintendo are making really good choices by making that virtual console system, which makes the wii be able to play like every nintendo game ever...

I know I'm about to get flamed so marcus please don't flame on me cause your replies are always really really long.

~Loofah~