Why Wii?
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rpgfan_2007
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Sucks that it's sold out everywhere you go. I'd think by now, there'd be plenty of Wiis but nooo.
lol @ 'graphics don't matter'
graphics matter so much. imagine if every pokemon in diamond/pearl was poorly drawn, looked like something from an atari game, and was compromised of, what.. 8 colors max? the game would suck. even with the same badass mechanics and everything. it sucks now because the graphics just ruined it.
now, imagine crysis on the nintendo wii.
if you're not into PC games, imagine CoD4 on the Wii. your first reaction would probably be 'wow this looks like shit compared to the ps3/360 version..'. which would you rather play; the shiny big brother, or the ugly stepchild? if you just said 'the shiny big brother', then graphics DO matter. if you just said 'the ugly stepchild', then youve been playing the wii for too long and forgot just how god damn pretty real current-gen consoles are.
thanks to despains avatar, i got one more comparison. >=D
the wii is like gohan. he was cool since the beginning of the series, and always tried hard.. and you always kinda liked him even tho he wasn't all that strong, because he's a kid and he appealed to you. then vegeta (360) just kicks the shit out of him anyway, but you're still trying to see the good points in gohan, and root for him, ignoring vegeta's powerlevel of like 60 billion. meanwhile, trunks (the PS3) is ahead of his time, and needs to come back in a few years when everyone will appreciate and understand him because right now he's trying to cure (bluray) a virus (HD) that goku doesn't have yet.
btw-toki wartooth av is fucking awesome. =D
graphics matter so much. imagine if every pokemon in diamond/pearl was poorly drawn, looked like something from an atari game, and was compromised of, what.. 8 colors max? the game would suck. even with the same badass mechanics and everything. it sucks now because the graphics just ruined it.
now, imagine crysis on the nintendo wii.
if you're not into PC games, imagine CoD4 on the Wii. your first reaction would probably be 'wow this looks like shit compared to the ps3/360 version..'. which would you rather play; the shiny big brother, or the ugly stepchild? if you just said 'the shiny big brother', then graphics DO matter. if you just said 'the ugly stepchild', then youve been playing the wii for too long and forgot just how god damn pretty real current-gen consoles are.
thanks to despains avatar, i got one more comparison. >=D
the wii is like gohan. he was cool since the beginning of the series, and always tried hard.. and you always kinda liked him even tho he wasn't all that strong, because he's a kid and he appealed to you. then vegeta (360) just kicks the shit out of him anyway, but you're still trying to see the good points in gohan, and root for him, ignoring vegeta's powerlevel of like 60 billion. meanwhile, trunks (the PS3) is ahead of his time, and needs to come back in a few years when everyone will appreciate and understand him because right now he's trying to cure (bluray) a virus (HD) that goku doesn't have yet.
btw-toki wartooth av is fucking awesome. =D
Because not everyone has the same opinion as you. I for one enjoy both the Wii and 360 equally. If I can get a PS3 and MSG4 for free, I'm sure I'll enjoy that too. The point is, we each enjoy different things. So don't get your panties all in a twist over it.
Also, my Wii has more game time then my 360 purely for the multiplayer. Basically, the point is that we all enjoy different systems for different reasons.
Also, my Wii has more game time then my 360 purely for the multiplayer. Basically, the point is that we all enjoy different systems for different reasons.
For me, it's not all about the graphics, it's the gaming experience. Sure Wii is being left in the stone age for graphics and war/gore-filled games, but I'm happy as long as it's got a good motive being it.
example: Good side
Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess - Sure, same kind of sh*t as every other zelda game, but I still play it koz it's still got some good puzzles and mini-quests in it.
Metal Gear Solid 4 - Damn, it may look like I'm filming Solid Snake, and all the action in it makes it look a hell of a lot better than any other ps3 game i've seen (which hasn't been too many
), but I'm sure I'll love this game just as much as I loved playing metal gear solid 1.
Halo 3 - I havnt played it yet, but not being able to play it is killing me. My friends talk about it heaps (apart from when they're talking about Gears of War) and how good everything is in it. Since people have been talking about Wii being the evil emperor of multiplayer, it's time for X-Box to crush them. The X-box live is kickass (I got owned at it when I played) and from what I've heard, people make money off of online tournaments!, So it's not just Wii for the multiplay (I still don't know about PS3 online abilities yet).
Examples: Bad side
Wii - Not enough war/gore related games, I agree with that. Aparently the manhunt 2 coming out on Wii has been 'toned down' to make it less real (controller wise) (If it hasn't been banned from Wii already).
X-box 360 - I havn't really gotten to know much about the 360, I havn't seen much advertisement, and when I have, there's always some sort of sticker, or logo that says the game is out for pc aswell. So I reckon they should advertise a bit more, and make more games excusevly for the 360.
PS3 - Sure, it's graphics are beautifully real, but as my friend said "I think sony went a bit too far with the blu ray, I don't think we're ready enough to use it yet."
And they should probly do something about the actual console looking like a castle, it's soo frickin' huge compared to 360 & Wii.
example: Good side
Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess - Sure, same kind of sh*t as every other zelda game, but I still play it koz it's still got some good puzzles and mini-quests in it.
Metal Gear Solid 4 - Damn, it may look like I'm filming Solid Snake, and all the action in it makes it look a hell of a lot better than any other ps3 game i've seen (which hasn't been too many
), but I'm sure I'll love this game just as much as I loved playing metal gear solid 1.Halo 3 - I havnt played it yet, but not being able to play it is killing me. My friends talk about it heaps (apart from when they're talking about Gears of War) and how good everything is in it. Since people have been talking about Wii being the evil emperor of multiplayer, it's time for X-Box to crush them. The X-box live is kickass (I got owned at it when I played) and from what I've heard, people make money off of online tournaments!
, So it's not just Wii for the multiplay (I still don't know about PS3 online abilities yet).Examples: Bad side
Wii - Not enough war/gore related games, I agree with that. Aparently the manhunt 2 coming out on Wii has been 'toned down' to make it less real (controller wise)
(If it hasn't been banned from Wii already).X-box 360 - I havn't really gotten to know much about the 360, I havn't seen much advertisement, and when I have, there's always some sort of sticker, or logo that says the game is out for pc aswell. So I reckon they should advertise a bit more, and make more games excusevly for the 360.
PS3 - Sure, it's graphics are beautifully real, but as my friend said "I think sony went a bit too far with the blu ray, I don't think we're ready enough to use it yet."
And they should probly do something about the actual console looking like a castle, it's soo frickin' huge compared to 360 & Wii.
JonoSasson
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I think everyone's words have just disappeared into a next generation war... nevertheless here's my input.
I'm a Wii owner. I'll go through its bad points first:
The games are definitely too short. Example- Metroid Prime 3. I completed the game 97% in about 15 hours. To get 97% in MP1 or 2, that would take well beyond 50 hours. Bummer considering MP3 is one of, if not the best games out on Wii at the moment.
The sensor bar is too short. I could barely play my Wii from the end of my bed... until I spent $30 (Australian) on eBay to buy a sensor bar that reached 7m back. It's awesome! But is everyone going to jump on eBay for a new sensor bar? Probably not.
The quality of Virtual Console games is pretty meagre, except for maybe one or two good ones Nintendo releases about once a month. On the same topic, the games are terribly overpriced points-wise, and the points cards (in Australia, at $35 is far too expensive). Though the good games on VC are brilliant. I just got Pokemon Snap the other day and am loving it. Other great ones include Lylat Wars, Kirby's Adventure (for something that's not N64) and Donkey Kong Country 1 and 2.
Graphics-wise, they don't measure up to the 360 and PS3... but do I care? No. You have quality games in Super Paper Mario, Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Prince of Persia (though a port, is much better with Wii controls)... and fantastic gameplay in games that aren't so mainstream such as SSX Blur.
That's really all the downsides I've noticed (and can think of at this time). On the upside however, I've found this:
Game quality is really really good! It's a point I can't stress enough. That is, most games released by Nintendo. Someone said before that Nintendo needs to let more third party companies develop games... well the truth is that most (but certainly not all) third party games are plain terrible. Metroid Prime 3 is one of the top games on Wii and companies should take a leaf from Retro Studios' book when considering making a game for Wii. Nintendo games to reiterate my point are great and I mentioned some of those earlier. There are plenty more, to quickly mention though not having played: Brain Training, Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games etc
Likewise, Virtual Console games, when there are good ones... they are good! I have fun taking a break from my Wii games to play the classics! Pokemon Snap even has Photo Channel capabilities where you can save a picture from your file and post it on the message board where you can edit it and have fun with it etc. Which brings me to my next point...
The extra channels on Wii provide a good means of sitting back from games and getting a new edge out of your console... if you have internet. I check the weather almost daily, catch up on headlines every morning and submit Mii's in the Mii Competition Channel. Alright, the Everybody Votes Channel is pretty bull, but plenty of people use that too! You can chuck your music and photos onto the Photo Channel (what's with the AAC files? huh?) and view slideshows and have fun with them, or browse the internet on your television. On a side note, you can stream your music and videos on the Internet by downloading a program called Orb on your home computer... google it if you're interested! And the Mii Channel is pretty fun and funny too.
Backwards compatibility with the Gamecube. Every game you had on the Gamecube is compatible with your Wii. Right down to the control and memory card! Neither the 360 or the PS3 (anymore) have full backwards compatibility, only allowing you to play the more recent XBox and PS2 games. It's great still being able to play Mario Sunshine and what not.
People have been saying the Wii Remote is gimmicky and only lasts a few hours. WHAT?! It's comfortable, it can be used in so many different ways, with the nunchuk, on its own or on its side. Super Paper Mario was a fun game to play on its side, so was Sonic Secret Rings (though not to the same extent). Metroid Prime 3 works so well because of the controls, as does Mario Galaxy, and Link's Crossbow Training, a fun demo game is fun to play with or without the Wii Zapper attachment. Though not played it yet, I can imagine Resident Evil Unbrella Chronicles is amazing with or without the gun-like attachment (great reviews by the way).
You can play standing up or sitting down. If you're on your own, you can play relaxing on your couch or, if you're like me, lying on your bed, exactly like playing with any other console. With friends, it's fun to really get into it and play standing up (Mario Strikers Charged, Wii Sports anyone?).
There's plenty more you have to really discover for yourself. It's impossible to say you hate because your friends hate it. The Wii is both a personal and company-inducing (?) console, and everyone finds their own likes and dislikes about it. It's not something you can judge of playing for one hour. If you don't like it after two or three weeks then sure, it might just not be for you. With Wifi and DS capabilities though, I reckon it's something you'd have to hate so much before you'd be ready to return it.
Having said all this, I am a big fan of the 360. It's heaps of fun and thoroughly enjoy playing it at friend's houses. And another selling point for the 360 is that, despite many of its games are out on PC, not everyone has Vista and probably won't upgrade to Vista for quite a while... I won't. I haven't played a PS3 but truthfully I don't really want to and I'm doing just fine without. Maybe when more games come out, the price comes down more and they make the hard drive bigger again and have full PS2 compatibility (is that ever going to happen? no), then I'll get one. One plus I hear about the PS3 though is that buying it is cheaper than buying a BluRay disc player... but who needs BluRay? Movies are just fine on DVD geez...
That's my two cents... or two hundred rather.
Jono
I'm a Wii owner. I'll go through its bad points first:
The games are definitely too short. Example- Metroid Prime 3. I completed the game 97% in about 15 hours. To get 97% in MP1 or 2, that would take well beyond 50 hours. Bummer considering MP3 is one of, if not the best games out on Wii at the moment.
The sensor bar is too short. I could barely play my Wii from the end of my bed... until I spent $30 (Australian) on eBay to buy a sensor bar that reached 7m back. It's awesome! But is everyone going to jump on eBay for a new sensor bar? Probably not.
The quality of Virtual Console games is pretty meagre, except for maybe one or two good ones Nintendo releases about once a month. On the same topic, the games are terribly overpriced points-wise, and the points cards (in Australia, at $35 is far too expensive). Though the good games on VC are brilliant. I just got Pokemon Snap the other day and am loving it. Other great ones include Lylat Wars, Kirby's Adventure (for something that's not N64) and Donkey Kong Country 1 and 2.
Graphics-wise, they don't measure up to the 360 and PS3... but do I care? No. You have quality games in Super Paper Mario, Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Prince of Persia (though a port, is much better with Wii controls)... and fantastic gameplay in games that aren't so mainstream such as SSX Blur.
That's really all the downsides I've noticed (and can think of at this time). On the upside however, I've found this:
Game quality is really really good! It's a point I can't stress enough. That is, most games released by Nintendo. Someone said before that Nintendo needs to let more third party companies develop games... well the truth is that most (but certainly not all) third party games are plain terrible. Metroid Prime 3 is one of the top games on Wii and companies should take a leaf from Retro Studios' book when considering making a game for Wii. Nintendo games to reiterate my point are great and I mentioned some of those earlier. There are plenty more, to quickly mention though not having played: Brain Training, Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games etc
Likewise, Virtual Console games, when there are good ones... they are good! I have fun taking a break from my Wii games to play the classics! Pokemon Snap even has Photo Channel capabilities where you can save a picture from your file and post it on the message board where you can edit it and have fun with it etc. Which brings me to my next point...
The extra channels on Wii provide a good means of sitting back from games and getting a new edge out of your console... if you have internet. I check the weather almost daily, catch up on headlines every morning and submit Mii's in the Mii Competition Channel. Alright, the Everybody Votes Channel is pretty bull, but plenty of people use that too! You can chuck your music and photos onto the Photo Channel (what's with the AAC files? huh?) and view slideshows and have fun with them, or browse the internet on your television. On a side note, you can stream your music and videos on the Internet by downloading a program called Orb on your home computer... google it if you're interested! And the Mii Channel is pretty fun and funny too.
Backwards compatibility with the Gamecube. Every game you had on the Gamecube is compatible with your Wii. Right down to the control and memory card! Neither the 360 or the PS3 (anymore) have full backwards compatibility, only allowing you to play the more recent XBox and PS2 games. It's great still being able to play Mario Sunshine and what not.
People have been saying the Wii Remote is gimmicky and only lasts a few hours. WHAT?! It's comfortable, it can be used in so many different ways, with the nunchuk, on its own or on its side. Super Paper Mario was a fun game to play on its side, so was Sonic Secret Rings (though not to the same extent). Metroid Prime 3 works so well because of the controls, as does Mario Galaxy, and Link's Crossbow Training, a fun demo game is fun to play with or without the Wii Zapper attachment. Though not played it yet, I can imagine Resident Evil Unbrella Chronicles is amazing with or without the gun-like attachment (great reviews by the way).
You can play standing up or sitting down. If you're on your own, you can play relaxing on your couch or, if you're like me, lying on your bed, exactly like playing with any other console. With friends, it's fun to really get into it and play standing up (Mario Strikers Charged, Wii Sports anyone?).
There's plenty more you have to really discover for yourself. It's impossible to say you hate because your friends hate it. The Wii is both a personal and company-inducing (?) console, and everyone finds their own likes and dislikes about it. It's not something you can judge of playing for one hour. If you don't like it after two or three weeks then sure, it might just not be for you. With Wifi and DS capabilities though, I reckon it's something you'd have to hate so much before you'd be ready to return it.
Having said all this, I am a big fan of the 360. It's heaps of fun and thoroughly enjoy playing it at friend's houses. And another selling point for the 360 is that, despite many of its games are out on PC, not everyone has Vista and probably won't upgrade to Vista for quite a while... I won't. I haven't played a PS3 but truthfully I don't really want to and I'm doing just fine without. Maybe when more games come out, the price comes down more and they make the hard drive bigger again and have full PS2 compatibility (is that ever going to happen? no), then I'll get one. One plus I hear about the PS3 though is that buying it is cheaper than buying a BluRay disc player... but who needs BluRay? Movies are just fine on DVD geez...
That's my two cents... or two hundred rather.
Jono
rpgfan_2007
Member
Graphics are overrated. It's all about the game experience. I have way more fun playing some PS2 games than Ps3 becvause the games on the PS2 are much better.
The way Graphics are going, soon, the games will feature PHOTO-realistic graphics. Is that really fun? I actually prefer graphics to look like Videogame Graphics, even 2d.
For me, the most important things in a game are:
1. Story
2. Game Play
3. Graphics
The way Graphics are going, soon, the games will feature PHOTO-realistic graphics. Is that really fun? I actually prefer graphics to look like Videogame Graphics, even 2d.
For me, the most important things in a game are:
1. Story
2. Game Play
3. Graphics
Mega Flare
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lol you be surprise how much blu-ray is helping the PS3. some of its games are not possible because of blu-ray. heavenly swords music files alone wouldnt of fitted on a DVD.apzrman":27jcb0fo said:
Deathbreak
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Quoted for making Despain my new hero.Despain":1jkjpgrm said:
The graphical power of the Wii is a subject of a lot of debate. To be honest, the thing is barely more powerful than the Gamecube, and isn't even really close to the original Xbox. Now, that is strictly hardware-capability, the way it's set up and can be utilized is pretty much top-notch. The only reason it's possible for Nintendo to make those games that look nicer than Gamecube games. But do you notice something? ONLY Nintendo can do it. Half the reason a lot of third party developers don't want to use the Wii is because it's so very difficult to get the thing to work to its full potential graphically.
And yes, graphics are important to atmosphere. It's not impossible to make a good game without cutting edge graphics, but you're completely limiting yourself in the scope of today's market by doing so. If all you can make that can compete with your peers is less-serious games, you're in for some trouble. The Wii is running off of brand-loyalty (people know Nintendo pumps out good games), its cheap cost, and the multiplayer appeal right now. The Wii costs about as much as a gamecube to produce, and rakes in a good profit for every console sale, and the fact that it is leaps and bounds cheaper than its competitors makes it an easy choice for holiday buys. Couple this with the fact that it's a multiplayer themed console with what looks to be a solid line-up of party-esque games, and you've got an easy seller. Let me of course remind you that these party games are indeed the most popular and best selling thing going on right now.
As to why you might not want the Wii... Look at Marcus' posts. It's not a single player device. The only lengthy game I can think of for the Wii off the top of my head is Twilight Princess, which was just fine on the gamecube anyways. If you simply must have a nintendo device and demand single player experience, just buy a DS or something.
Oh also I think the wii-mote thing is a joke. It's a complete gimmick. Just my personal opinion of course, sales pretty clearly indicates how most people think of it.
And yes, graphics are important to atmosphere. It's not impossible to make a good game without cutting edge graphics, but you're completely limiting yourself in the scope of today's market by doing so. If all you can make that can compete with your peers is less-serious games, you're in for some trouble. The Wii is running off of brand-loyalty (people know Nintendo pumps out good games), its cheap cost, and the multiplayer appeal right now. The Wii costs about as much as a gamecube to produce, and rakes in a good profit for every console sale, and the fact that it is leaps and bounds cheaper than its competitors makes it an easy choice for holiday buys. Couple this with the fact that it's a multiplayer themed console with what looks to be a solid line-up of party-esque games, and you've got an easy seller. Let me of course remind you that these party games are indeed the most popular and best selling thing going on right now.
As to why you might not want the Wii... Look at Marcus' posts. It's not a single player device. The only lengthy game I can think of for the Wii off the top of my head is Twilight Princess, which was just fine on the gamecube anyways. If you simply must have a nintendo device and demand single player experience, just buy a DS or something.
Oh also I think the wii-mote thing is a joke. It's a complete gimmick. Just my personal opinion of course, sales pretty clearly indicates how most people think of it.
I had a Wii for 3 months and sold it on for next to nothing (Why oh why didn't I wait for the christmas demand!?). My opinion is the same as a few people already posted, The games are too short (But that's only based on the two that I had) &the gimic wore off for me after a day or two.
The only Nintendo console I've truly enjoyed since birth is the SNES. And to this very day I still have it plugged in with Mario Kart equipped.
Nothing against Wii's because at some point one of the console manufacturers had to take gaming to new levels, But it really just doesn't do it for me. I'm thinking that this is mainly due to the fact I do most of my gaming in bed, And that's hardly easy nor healthy before sleepy time
The only Nintendo console I've truly enjoyed since birth is the SNES. And to this very day I still have it plugged in with Mario Kart equipped.
Nothing against Wii's because at some point one of the console manufacturers had to take gaming to new levels, But it really just doesn't do it for me. I'm thinking that this is mainly due to the fact I do most of my gaming in bed, And that's hardly easy nor healthy before sleepy time
The Wii is the Wii. It's got Nintendo, and that's why I have it.
The box is actually a quite good buy, the controller is real good and it's got some muscle in there.
The PS3 on the other hand is(IMO) a total waste o' cash, TOTAL. What do you get? An overpowered enterprise class processor with a crapload of cores, yeah, we need that for CONSOLE GAMING? I don't think so.
The main reason I'm not getting the box or(shivers) the PS3, is because of the badass computer I own. It plays all those eye treats merrily. With all the other nice computer stuff.
The box is actually a quite good buy, the controller is real good and it's got some muscle in there.
The PS3 on the other hand is(IMO) a total waste o' cash, TOTAL. What do you get? An overpowered enterprise class processor with a crapload of cores, yeah, we need that for CONSOLE GAMING? I don't think so.
The main reason I'm not getting the box or(shivers) the PS3, is because of the badass computer I own. It plays all those eye treats merrily. With all the other nice computer stuff.
chickasaurus
Member
The Commodore 64 was sort of like a computer, I've got a Wii and I find the games fun, I don't go on the Wii that much now though, it can make my leg ache and my arms for standing up all that long lol :-\
4StarGeneral
Member
It's simple really, Nintendo has made great videogames since, well, forever. The name says it all, parents will buy nintendo for their children because they know the label from when they were younger. They aren't going to buy a Playstation, because they illicit the "Hot Coffee" mod. (don't jump on me for this, I'm not labeling PS for this myself) As for Xbox, you have to PAY for stupid INTERNET PLAY! Need I say more? Either way, I will.
The Wii is simply cheaper, has close to the graphics as all the "next-gen" consoles, and an intuitive controller. As far as old people go, many nursing homes have a Wii or so, because of the physical interaction needed to play. (Wii Bowling is the all-time favorite btw) Also, Nintendo is starting to be the only multiplayer console really. Not for some people who stay home by themselves in the dark and play by themselves. (I know, its a stereotype)
If you want a reason why I have a couple Wii's...my Gamecube stopped reading games.
The Wii is simply cheaper, has close to the graphics as all the "next-gen" consoles, and an intuitive controller. As far as old people go, many nursing homes have a Wii or so, because of the physical interaction needed to play. (Wii Bowling is the all-time favorite btw) Also, Nintendo is starting to be the only multiplayer console really. Not for some people who stay home by themselves in the dark and play by themselves. (I know, its a stereotype)
If you want a reason why I have a couple Wii's...my Gamecube stopped reading games.
GhastlyMasquerade
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Wii = Family games
PS3, XBOX 360 and a full packed PC = Hardcore gamers
'enuff said
PS3, XBOX 360 and a full packed PC = Hardcore gamers
'enuff said