The sketch thread!

[Venetia]

you show so much more talent than i had at your age
you could kick my ass up and down the court drawing-wise
just please please stop the slopdoodles and confident it up
your potential is actually exciting for me
i'm 100% serious here you have a lot of unlocked talent and its really easy to see

 

[moxie]

slightly refined version of the portrait at the top, idk what's even going on with the shading on her shirt also i hate the dippy little pose going on w/ her arms

I also have to agree with Ven, you're awesome Dev but you can't let yourself fall into bad habits. I did, and now because of my tendency to do short strokes, all of my lineart is super messy and sketchy which makes it really hard to do clean, smooth lines - which is exactly what you want for the cartoony style I'm going for. :down:

 

[Venetia]

:O thats socute moe :D

i esp like her nose and the little upturned lashes, it carries the style entirely

anatomically, the arms are a little too thin and her left boob (her left, your right) is kind of amorphously drifting off into la-la land.

i can dig trying to show depth with colors instead of linework but there is not enough contrast or displayed depth to pull it off
also you kill that colors-instead-of-lines style by showing lines for shirt wrinkles.

lastly that shirt is not that tight and her cans aren't that big so tbh they probably wouldn't cause any noticeable pleats in the fabric there at all.

otherwise its p strong and shows a lot of improvement imo

 

[Venetia]

i used to do "boobpleats" in shirts all the time too b/c you see it all the time in comics but honestly irl it only happens if:

- the fabric is stretched STUPID TIGHT over GIANT CONICAL PROTUBERANCES (i.e. those bulletshell-shaped bras from the 50's; if they are rounded out as they would be in modern bras you will still not see pleating/bunching)

- the fabric is very very thin, almost gauze-like, and somewhat loose

- the fabric is super loose (but then the folds would be arc-shaped as it droops)

tightness is fabric is better demonstrated through a line depicting the area where the bra underwire would go, and/or simply making the outline of the whole shirt fit the contours of the body. for more depth you can usu do a single line running from nipple to nipple to feint in the incredibly slight conical curve.

 

[Alypt]

Moe, I really love your style! She looks cute!

Decided to go outside my comfort zone and draw an action pose. The arms and hands are still off though. :crazy:

 

[Venetia]

(edit: sorry this is supposed to be an addendum to my last post not trying to ignore you alypt)

remember many comics are drawn by dudes who have very little idea about natural boobphysics

for the longest time i was drawing men with torsos of the same vertical length as women because i had never spent time enough looking at male torsos to appreciate the difference. you'll notice that also in a lot of male-drawn comics, women have shorter torsos than what would naturally occur.
it's sometimes an aesthetic thing but mostly it's a habit from doing what you know

 

[moxie]

thanks for the tips ven. i admit i get a lot more habits from observing comics/cartoons/etc than from actual studies and classes and the like, which is pretty bad :blush:

i didn't even realize her boobs were that comically big, she's supposed to be a teenager even. it probably ended up that way because she started out with a bulkier vest but I decided against it at the last minute and just cinched her waist up, leaving everything else alone.

@alypt that's really awesome, although it seems like her right foot should be more visible? your stuff is really great, do you have an online gallery anywhere so we can keep up with your work?

 

[Alypt]

Thanks! I'll see what I can do about showing the foot, thanks for the feedback. I don't really have any online gallery, mainly because I have a really bad habit of never finishing anything. Just scraps and lots of unfinished works. :sad:

 

[Venetia]

i didn't even realize her boobs were that comically big, she's supposed to be a teenager even. it probably ended up that way because she started out with a bulkier vest but I decided against it at the last minute and just cinched her waist up, leaving everything else alone.

oh no they're not comically big, i'd probably put them at a B cup considering how skinny she is, i was just mentioning how they probably wouldn't make boobpleats.

shit when i was 10 i had bigger; it's not unrealistic to have decent-sized cans as a teen. some just bloom earlier than most. just, typically doesn't happen with small bone structures and very thin girls.

in cartoons really small knockers can make a thin femcharacter look emaciated or sickly anyway so it's not necessarily a bad thing to skew. breasts can also be a great tool against making a femcharacter look raindrop-shaped or bottom-heavy. it draws attention upward and stabilizes the proportions.

(ever see lilo & stitch? the characters were all raindrop-shaped. it's a style thing there and it's not bad but they all looked like they waddled when they moved. if you want a lithe character you def don't want to make her look like she moves like a penguin.)


edit: jesus i am way too fucking manic right now sorry for the essays

 

[moxie]

i'm not complaining, it's all neat and informative. :cute:

 

[bacon]

yeah ven, I havent even posted anything and i learn from what you say. Its nice that you take the time. Ive learned a lot from the other critiques as well. You dont come off as a negative nancy, you come off as someone who cares. c:

 

[Star]

Hai guys. I fixed the one that had the tail problems and added in a new sketch.

@Devy Ven is right about those slop doodles. Taking your time is the key to make a work of art. Rushing or speed drawing will only do honors when it's not meant to be visually appealing.

@ Alypt Great job man! If you do more action poses, the more you get used to em. We all started off drawing standing front facing you doing nothing poses while trying our best to hide the hands and feet cause we knew we sucked at them stage, and it just takes a giant step forward to go all action cause the angles and proportions will scare you. I think you did well, but I know you will definitely improve if you keep at it.

@ Moe I like your colors. Nice outfit and hairstyle as well. One thing I did notice, not sure if anybody mentioned. The left eye is slightly bigger than the right, which it should be the other way around meaning the left eye should be smaller than the right since it's farther away from you.

@ Sekai Looks like you need about as much work with the tablet as I do. It's kind like lines everywhere. I'd like to see how you are on paper cause I think it'd be really good.

Spoiler: Merri Sketch again

Spoiler: Fixed Merri Sketch for tail

 

[dadevvtsvre]

@dadev
stoppit stoppit!!! you are getting yourself into the very very bad habit of doing slopdoodles!
don't do the small haphazard linework, take more confidence in your strokes!
you have 43million talent points but you need 72 more confidence to get to the next level!!!
even if a stroke is butts-shitty stick with it
carry it through to the next stroke
dont do little staccato jaggylines
trust me you will spend years trying to untrain yourself from doing it if you get used to it

lookup gestures do some gestures
the goal is to pick up your pencil as little as possible
it doesnt matter if it is shit, the practice in stroke movement is what is important
please please you have so much potential in cartooning dont blow it
i implore you!!!!

yeah but that would require EFFORT and uh

no but seriously thanks for the compliments :blush:

usually it's due to me having the attention span of a toddler. god, i can't remember the last time i actually sat down and focused really hard on something for a long time. i'm just really lazy but i will COMMIT and it's all thanks to YOU. i hope you're happy for what you've made me do

 

[Daxis]

now the new tail one just looks sexual.


the first picture has little sense of action or movement. Like some girl that pretend punches the air, "yah!" not sure how to fix it, as drawing acting scenes are sorta specific.
Check out the tail. if she's punching, then something should happen with the tail. Idk what. If I knew, I would probably be able to draw, right?
Same thing with the hair. Not sure if it's wrong, but just check, you know?

Check her left arm area, the dynamic of the sleeve hanging down isn't right.
He elbow feels sharp.

 

[moxie]

gonna have to agree, you're on the right track but the placement of the tail suggests that it's... er, not above her butt. When you look at the crease of her gown thing and that it's curved with her buttock, rather than raised a little bit for her tail, you'll notice the oddity of it.

 

[Star]

now the new tail one just looks sexual.

Well, the whole picture is kinda sexual, it's not everyday you get to peep at a girl sleeping in her nighties in bed.

gonna have to agree, you're on the right track but the placement of the tail suggests that it's... er, not above her butt. When you look at the crease of her gown thing and that it's curved with her buttock, rather than raised a little bit for her tail, you'll notice the oddity of it.

lmao.. PI PIP PIRIRI PI PI PI! That's her "Sssssss hhhhhh lol "

Now that I look at that tail more and more, I think I need to fix something XD

Spoiler

On the drawing.

the first picture has little sense of action or movement. Like some girl that pretend punches the air, "yah!" not sure how to fix it, as drawing acting scenes are sorta specific.
Check out the tail. if she's punching, then something should happen with the tail. Idk what. If I knew, I would probably be able to draw, right?
Same thing with the hair. Not sure if it's wrong, but just check, you know?

Check her left arm area, the dynamic of the sleeve hanging down isn't right.
He elbow feels sharp.

All of these I'm drawing without having to use references, and this one I drew without first knowing I was gonna do an action pose. Things just kinda fell into place as my pencil stroked. You're right tho, hair should do a lot more movement then the gentle breeze it's doing now and the tail well. (What do animals that have tails do when they attack? Does it stick straight up? Maybe that's what I shoulda done)

The left arm's sleeve isn't right, can't believe I didn't notice that before.

Pointy elbows, stab you in the face. I 'll have to round that out.

 

[Rayen]

@ Sekai Looks like you need about as much work with the tablet as I do. It's kind like lines everywhere. I'd like to see how you are on paper cause I think it'd be really good.

Ahaha. I didn't use a tablet for that sketch. I used a mouse. I mentioned that in my post. :p

This is how I draw w/ a pencil:

Spoiler

and with a tablet:

Spoiler

 

[mawk]

Spoiler: I guess it's technically naked so nsfw in a very jrpg sense

look out its a velociraptor with boobs

goddamn I hate how that lion hat mask thing turned out. I was drawing from a reference to get the structure down right, and it really shows that I wasn't paying a lot of attention to how the thing was supposed to be shaped.

the scanner really brought out the way the big glowy face over the stomach was scribbled on at the last minute, too.

but hey for once something I draw has the arms grossly disproportionate to the body on purpose :toot:

(god that face is so smug)

 

[moxie]

that's really nifty. so the face just kinda floats in front of the belly, or is it attached somehow?

what is "clean linework" how do you even

 

[Star]

@Moe those are some big eyebrows at the center on the left. Is that done on purpose? Also the drawing on the right still has the eye problems. This time I think both eyes are the same size and when drawing the chin it should connect to the bottom the the earlobe.

Clean linework is drawing over your pencil sketches on a different layer with tightfitting curved lines. Not retracing your exact pencil'd lines XD

Good work, keep it up.

@Mawk, what's that coming out of it's throat? IS THAT A MAN OBJECT? Reminds me something off of Doom

@Sekai. Much better, much better, I like clean and can see things better.

First drawing: Was drawn over a year ago not sure if you improved since then but I'll give you what I see wrong. Looks like you need to increase your hand length for the left hand just by a hair or too and curve in your wrists so the arm isn't the same width the whole way. Also the elbows need placement more curves, more curves. The nose to forehead should be more curved inward instead of jutting out.

Second drawing: Don't see much wrong there, but it's just a normal standing leaning forward pose so I doubt you'd have trouble with that since that's what most people start drawing with.

As far as drawing with the mouse. DON"T DO IT. unless you're going to pixel. It's really hard to learn how to draw with a mouse and I think it's not worth it. I learned how, but it totally wasn't necessary. Unless you're going to do linework then that's another story.