Child Sexuality

[Pavilion]

Umm......

This is just my opinion but if you teach kids from an early age about sex (which they kinda do here in aus in grade 2)
Its going to corrupt there minds having all this info about mastrubation, blowjobs, handjobs etc.
Next people will be showing there kids Playboy instead of little kids books,
Its going to completly corrupt them and maybe even make them want to experience it at a lot earlier
then they should.
It kind of makes your mind think??
"When is it the right time to teach kids about sex?", "Should we tell them anyway??", "But if we dont tell them how are they going to reprodudce??" its all really confusing :S

 

[Ellie]

-How would knowledge of masturbation, blowjobs, handjobs etc, "corrupt their minds"?
-What's wrong with kids reading playboy? (Not necessarily instead of little kid books btw, why would they replace them)
-What's wrong with them experiencing it earlier?

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

Dude I knew about blowjobs since I was like 7
And not long after had one.
I turned out perfectly fine.

I don't even own porn!  I have no porn.  I don't even download porn.  I have a happy sexual life and yet, I own absolutely no porn - and no sexual contact ever gave me a disease.  I am even a registered - and acting, voter.

I am apparently so corrupted in my mind, I've somehow assimilated into society perfectly D:

 

[FlippyD]

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[mawk]

Its going to corrupt there minds having all this info about mastrubation, blowjobs, handjobs etc.

A lot of people say this, and I'm going to start calling them out now starting with you.

Define "corrupt." Do you mean the kid is going to immediately develop a sex drive from knowing what grown-ups do with their penises/vaginas?

 

[Pavilion]

A Bunch Of Kids Having Knowledge like that would most likely would want to try it at a young age and most likely will.
Im Not saying that teaching kids about sex is wrong but it needs to be done in a certain way and at a certain time other wise they will abuse that knowledge and most likely have sexual intercourse.
I know of a couple times this has happened and its been all over the news and its just wrong!
Im not saying that other people's views are wrong these are just my views and they not wrong or right

 

[Ellie]

-What is wrong with them having sexual intercourse, that wouldn't be the same if they were over 18?

 

[FlippyD]

-What is wrong with them having sexual intercourse, that wouldn't be the same if they were over 18?

The police can't plant fake pubic hair in a murder-rape case.

 

[mawk]

A Bunch Of Kids Having Knowledge like that would most likely would want to try it at a young age and most likely will.

Prove it. One or two isolated incidents of parents overreacting when they see a boychild and a girlchild naked together and freaking out when their nine-year-old masturbates are nothing. That's an artifact of our hoity-toity society and our majorly stupid ideas that CHILD == INNOCENT DONT SPOIL CHILD WITH WORLD STUFF. Occasionally a child will sexually initiate his or her self at a younger age than most, but explain how this is a direct cause-and-effect relationship stemming from exposure to knowledge about sex?

 

[Pavilion]

These are just my views we dont need to have a debate over whats wrong or right you have your views and I have mine and they are clearly different I just dont think it right for little kids to have that knowledge.
Its better when they can properly comprehend it and understand it without pissing there pants with words like penis and vagina.
I just think its not right

- Josh :P

 

[Ellie]

we dont need to have a debate over whats wrong or right

Welcome to the Symposium, champ.

 

[mawk]

These are just my views we dont need to have a debate over whats wrong or right you have your views and I have mine and they are clearly different I just dont think it right for little kids to have that knowledge.

No, see, the problem is that you're stating your views as facts. If you wanna do that I expect a REASON out of you or you're just a little dogmatic booger.

 

[rey meustrus]

ixis, did you just fucking say that rape is FUNNY!?

Since what I'm trying to say seems to be constantly misunderstood allow me to reiterate it in patronizing caps-lock bold font:

JUST SEEING NAKED PEOPLE ISN'T DAMAGING AS NIPPLES AND PENISES DON'T MAKE CHILDREN GO APESHIT, BUT SEXUAL ACTION WITHOUT PROPER CONTEXT CAN BE DAMAGING TO A CHILD. P.S. RAPE IS NEVER COOL BUT SOMETIMES FUNNY.

That's fucked up.  I can tell that how you were taught (or not taught) about sex is what we should avoid doing to our own children.



There's a major problem in this debate right now, and it's ignorance.  Let's actually talk about what sex education is, alright?  At least, this is what it is where I live...

Sex education consists of telling children mainly that sex exists, what it is, what STD's are, a few means of contraception, and that sex is BAD and all forms of contraception are imperfect and don't protect you 100% against STD's.  Before this, they teach you about puberty, and not being shy about yourself changing.  Your enemies have NOT taken control of the public school system, it's controlled democratically meaning everyone has equal say in it.  Furthermore, your enemies have no intention of teaching children how to masturbate, how to give handjobs or blowjobs, nor is their goal to instruct children in any kind of sexual practice at all.  If children are ever taught about penetration at all, it is not the sole purpose of the instruction.  That point is required to understand a few things, such as how STD's are transmitted, what use a condom will have in preventing transmission of diseases, how contraceptives prevent pregnancy, and what one should NOT do.  If you seriously think that those dern lib'rils are gonna teach your chilluns how to fornicate en masse, you're not paying attention to anything but partisan propaganda.

And now, a quote:

A Bunch Of Kids Having Knowledge like that would most likely would want to try it at a young age and most likely will.
Im Not saying that teaching kids about sex is wrong but it needs to be done in a certain way and at a certain time other wise they will abuse that knowledge and most likely have sexual intercourse.
I know of a couple times this has happened and its been all over the news and its just wrong!
Im not saying that other people's views are wrong these are just my views and they not wrong or right

Remember a saying about the news: The headline does not read "Dog Bites Man," it reads "Man Bites Dog."  If something happens regularly, it's not considered news.

 

[FlippyD]

Mewtwo, I said rape was funny because I was pissed off that I had to explain myself three goddamn times, and by exacerbating the aggressiveness of what I said I hoped to avoid a possible flamewar with silliness, also because I thought what I said was so laughably obvious that stupid comments would only add to the joke.

Obviously I was short-sighted, since I should've known anyone could mistake sarcasm for reality on the internet, no matter what the context, and use it to show how they're so much more educated than I am. Obviously I think rape is funny because I wasn't taught about sex ed, which makes perfect sense and all.

But y'know, I can now tell that that you were taught to not understand what sarcasm and a joke is. So I've written all sarcastic comments in red to make it easier for you to find it.

BTW, why do we need to go over what sex education is? Why the fuck are you pulling democracy into this? And who the fuck are these "enemies"? Cobra Commander? Mumm-Ra, the Everliving? And goddamnit do we have to bring in that stupid-ass political bias shit again?

 

[mawk]

And who the fuck are these "enemies"?

Personally? Skeletor.

 

[rey meustrus]

The main of my post was a response to imjosh123, who said:

Umm......

This is just my opinion but if you teach kids from an early age about sex (which they kinda do here in aus in grade 2)
Its going to corrupt there minds having all this info about mastrubation, blowjobs, handjobs etc.
Next people will be showing there kids Playboy instead of little kids books,
Its going to completly corrupt them and maybe even make them want to experience it at a lot earlier
then they should.
It kind of makes your mind think??
"When is it the right time to teach kids about sex?", "Should we tell them anyway??", "But if we dont tell them how are they going to reprodudce??" its all really confusing :S

A Bunch Of Kids Having Knowledge like that would most likely would want to try it at a young age and most likely will.
Im Not saying that teaching kids about sex is wrong but it needs to be done in a certain way and at a certain time other wise they will abuse that knowledge and most likely have sexual intercourse.
I know of a couple times this has happened and its been all over the news and its just wrong!
Im not saying that other people's views are wrong these are just my views and they not wrong or right

I interpreted this as a misunderstanding of his political enemies, which is often caused by listening to too much propaganda.  The misunderstanding I think he has is that if other people had their way, we'd eventually have mass orgies in public school classrooms as part of sex education.  A combination of "slippery slope" (if we concede this small thing, it will inevitably lead to this larger thing we don't want) and "demonic rival" (because they are our enemies, they are demonic and absolutely opposed to us in every conceivable way, especially morally) rhetoric.


ixis, I apologise for misinterpreting your "sarcasm."

You were right, however, about Shigesato Otoi, although you definitely did not explain yourself adequately at the time.  According to the interview, he stumbled into a violent rape scene which traumatized him.  Most likely, it was a very early scene in the movie where a woman had sex with her lover in the grass.  It was not rape, he misinterpreted it because he didn't understand what it was.  The sounds of sex can indeed sound painful and discomforting if one is not familiar with the physical stimuli for those sounds.  Unfortunately, you didn't really explain this, you just explained your conclusions, which does not ensure that we will arrive at the same ones.

 

[FlippyD]

Yeah, I was just kinda being a simple smartass.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

I remember being a kid.
I watched one thing on TV.  Fantasy Violence.  Be it old gory horror flicks with my father, barbaric epics with my mother, or sunday morning cartoons and saturday night wrestling, I watched a lot of violence.

As a kid I knew a line.  I was never told this line, I just knew.  See I was smart enough to know that tv does not equal real life.  I never believed that if I couldn't bring you down with 3 hits to the head with a steel chair, that a leg drop would magically do it.  I never believed that if I grab my sword and say "I have the power" that I'd magically become big, tan, and blonde.  I never believed that if I ate mushrooms I'd end up in a magic li'l kingdom.  I never believed this nonsense.

I didn't go out of my way with friends to try it either.  I knew a gun shot killed people.  I knew these things, because... well duh, if I didn't I'm a fucking moron.  Same with sex.

See I learned from G.I. Joe the basic idea of a gun.  One episode where the guy, whoever, sits there and actually walks you through it "Line him up in your sight" and all that jazz.  I had the basic knowledge.  But I never shot someone as a kid.  Why?  I'm wasn't a idiot.

People treat kids with kid gloves.  Don't.
People complain about fantasy violence?  Good, complain.  It's your damn fault kids don't realize powerbombing someone into cement fucking kills.  Your fault people don't understand that in a show anyone can get shot and live.  People complain about sex ed.  Good, complain.  It's your damn fault kids don't realize screwing someone on cement can lead to all sorts of nasty shit.  Your fault people don't understand the various go arounds involving pregnancy.

Educate kids.
Tell them.  Show them.  It's not a case of "if they know, they will" otherwise they'd have a thousand deaths caused by stupid kids instead of a half dozen here and there.  Kids would be jumping out of windows trying to be Superman, getting bit by spiders and trying to crawl out their windows.  Kid's aren't that stupid.  They aren't.

Kids will have sex earlier than you want them to.
That's how they're wired.  Their kids.  We can call them "teenagers" but gooding it up with a new word doesn't change the fact their kids.  And their gonna do it whether they know or not.  So give them the benefit of the doubt, explain to them the horrors and the delights, and let them play god with their bodies.  If they screw up - then yeah, you can blame them, or society - your choice, hell both.  But by withholding information we're pretty much going "Okay, don't be open, don't exchange ideas, don't ask for knowledge, don't learn shit, just do shit in the back of a closet and find out you have herpes after 14 dates, go on have fun"

 

[Gray]

I remember being a kid.
I watched one thing on TV.  Fantasy Violence.  Be it old gory horror flicks with my father, barbaric epics with my mother, or sunday morning cartoons and saturday night wrestling, I watched a lot of violence.

As a kid I knew a line.  I was never told this line, I just knew.  See I was smart enough to know that tv does not equal real life.  I never believed that if I couldn't bring you down with 3 hits to the head with a steel chair, that a leg drop would magically do it.  I never believed that if I grab my sword and say "I have the power" that I'd magically become big, tan, and blonde.  I never believed that if I ate mushrooms I'd end up in a magic li'l kingdom.  I never believed this nonsense.

I didn't go out of my way with friends to try it either.  I knew a gun shot killed people.  I knew these things, because... well duh, if I didn't I'm a fucking moron.  Same with sex.

See I learned from G.I. Joe the basic idea of a gun.  One episode where the guy, whoever, sits there and actually walks you through it "Line him up in your sight" and all that jazz.  I had the basic knowledge.  But I never shot someone as a kid.  Why?  I'm wasn't a idiot.

People treat kids with kid gloves.  Don't.
People complain about fantasy violence?  Good, complain.  It's your damn fault kids don't realize powerbombing someone into cement fucking kills.  Your fault people don't understand that in a show anyone can get shot and live.  People complain about sex ed.  Good, complain.  It's your damn fault kids don't realize screwing someone on cement can lead to all sorts of nasty shit.  Your fault people don't understand the various go arounds involving pregnancy.

Educate kids.
Tell them.  Show them.  It's not a case of "if they know, they will" otherwise they'd have a thousand deaths caused by stupid kids instead of a half dozen here and there.  Kids would be jumping out of windows trying to be Superman, getting bit by spiders and trying to crawl out their windows.  Kid's aren't that stupid.  They aren't.

Kids will have sex earlier than you want them to.
That's how they're wired.  Their kids.  We can call them "teenagers" but gooding it up with a new word doesn't change the fact their kids.  And their gonna do it whether they know or not.  So give them the benefit of the doubt, explain to them the horrors and the delights, and let them play god with their bodies.  If they screw up - then yeah, you can blame them, or society - your choice, hell both.  But by withholding information we're pretty much going "Okay, don't be open, don't exchange ideas, don't ask for knowledge, don't learn shit, just do shit in the back of a closet and find out you have herpes after 14 dates, go on have fun"

Yeah, I agree with this dude, right here. Hell, I'm 13, I don't go around f**king girls because I can, I say wait until I'm 18, and hire a hooker, or something, to experience the full thing. But I think that younger kids do have sex because they're curious, or they think they're intelligent enough to make a life changing descion.

 

[harbino]

In England, a girl ends up getting pregnant... so I wouldn't say curious

Apparently using contraception like a condom, ruins that atmosphere.  Something I overheard in maths last year, from a classmate who is a drug addict.