Child Sexuality

[Venetia]

Sex only creates an emotional bond if you let it.

Fucking someone is different from making love to them.

Fucking would be solely for pleasure. Making love is a reciprocation of feelings.

You fall in love with the person, not necessarily the back of their head while you're plowing them from behind.
Ideally, most of the falling in love will be done when your partner's clothes are on. (Unless you happen to spend a LOT of non-sexual time together in the nude lol)

Anyway that's referring to adult love and adult sex. For kids, they haven't developed the ability to distinguish such things, so sex and love can very well become an ugly synonymous thing to them.

 

[Fertility]

Regarding the study mentioned on the first post I might say that they are foolish, no baby masturbates as they say. Many parents would have notice such a strange behavior if that ever happened. No one reported such a thing. So the real conclusion should be that those scientists are actually perverting those babies just to prove their point, they forget that they should be impartial and accept that the babies never masturbated as they wanna claim now. Babies may want to touch things like toys but they still are naive, maybe I should say they're still pure compared to an adult. They don't feel such a need to play with their sexual organs, they just get uncomfortable whenever their diapers are wet

I've seen articles in medicle journals about this way back in high school (5ish years ago?) so SOMEONE HAS REPORTED "such a thing". It has nothing to do with being "pure" and innocent children. It's a biological function to be stimulated.
There has been debates recently about the hpv shot in America that they want to give to elementry students (6-8 I believe). Opposers to the shot say that it promotes sexuality in the young girls, because it gives them "licence" for safe sex. Or that their parents don't want to have the sex talk at such a young age. Thing is, I'm Canadian, and in 6th grade, and again in 8th grade, we all had our hep B (or maybe it was C...) shots, and we knew that it would protect us against a disease that we could get if we had sex with someone who has it. I don't know ANYONE who used that to sleep around at a young age. Nor did my parents, or anyone else's parents whom I knew, have an actual sex talk with us. That's why I think handing out condoms is a good thing, unless our future is filled with blind IDIOTS. A friend gave me a condom in high school as a joke, but I didn't use it. Actually, I think it's still in my wallet. Not to say I haven't had sex ever, but that condom wasn't "licence" to go have sex right that moment. It was quite a while before I did ANYTHING with a boy (and that includes holding hands :/ ) 

Funny thing about trying to hide sexuality from children...has anyone seen a child in western society? Walk around in a mall and you'll see how sexuality is being marketed to children too. I have a little sister, with 11 years between us. She's 9 now, and most of the time my mother is dressing her in something HORRID. Short skirts, little tops...ew. My mother just wants to follow the trends (she couldn't do that when I was young because they had no money for expensive clothes), but she is blindly buying into a culture of oversexed idealism. If she could wear heels I know that's what she would be in. But she is one of the same people who proclaim that all children are innocent and have no sex drives, and that sex drives don't exist until your married. My first year English prof has a magazine cover from maclains, with the tag line "Why do we dress our daughters like <i>skanks?</i>" on her front door. It's stuck with me. 

 

[Buster]

You fall in love with the person, not necessarily the back of their head while you're plowing them from behind.
Ideally, most of the falling in love will be done when your partner's clothes are on. (Unless you happen to spend a LOT of non-sexual time together in the nude lol)

You're probably right... That might be why I don't really understand how people can just "fuck", seeing as my only experience is from my current girlfriend (who I fell in love with long before she took my virginity).  So I concede to your logic.

 

[kaze950]

I think it is stupid to tell a kid that "SEX IS WRONG, DON'T DO IT". The message should be have sex if you want to have it, but don't feel pressured to not have it or have it.

But I think that this is not a school issue. School should be about academics. Math, English, History, e.t.c. Blow jobs and hand jobs fall under that area as much as programming your TiVo does. IMO, sex-ed should be taught at around the age a child reaches puberty, maybe a year or two before, if it is taught in school's at all.

It is a parent-child issue. It isn't society's job to tell parents how to raise their kids. Personally, if I had a children, I wouldn't hide anything. But I wouldn't take him/her at the age of 5 and tell them everything about sex. But if they had any questions, I would answer them and try to make it known that they can ask me any question.

 

[Glitchfinder]

The whole problem is that, for centuries, the dominant religions taught that sex was evil. In chrisitianity, sex is OK when meant to produce children, and only if you are married. Now, there are other issues that these world religions have created. To see a recent example, try searching evil pokemon on google. You see things where that not only say pokemon is from satan, but denying that buddhism, islam, taoism, and hinduism are religions, yet calling witchcraft a religion. I even saw somethiing where a father blowtorched his kid's toys, and another where a father forced bhis kids to throw their Pokemon toys into the middle of a busy highway, just because there were a trio of Pokemon called "Abra", "Kadabra", and "Alakazam". In short, I'm saying that it is a religious issue, and that, in many cases, the religious issues have nobase in reality. I mean, if Pokemon became a permanent part of human life, we'd still have christians touting it as evil 100+ years down the road.(And, a little tidbit of info: The Pope gave Pokemon his official blessing when it became popular in Italy) Oh, and because of many of these reasons, I'm agnostic. I don't see a point in believing in a faith that pours arbitrary values like "sex is evil" down my throat for no reason. (Although, some of those values are for good reason, like the Jewish ban on shellfish. Did you know that most shellfish are poisonous at least part of the year?)

 

[kaze950]

It's not really an "arbitrary value". If I recall correctly, the bible doesn't just say "SEX IS EVIL, don't do it, k". The bible claims sex to be a sacred act, a bonding or union of two individuals. Somewhat like the physical counterpart of marriage - both acts being the boding and joining of two people. Thus, the bible says that sex isn't something that should be taken lightly and shouldn't be just done with whomever, whenever. It's not that sex is evil, it is that because sex is sacred, it should not be practices "just for fun".

And as for that stupid pokemon thing - that doesn't even apply for the vast majority of Christians, and for those it does apply to, they probably just heard half-truths about it sometime and somewhere and base their opinion off of that, because they really don't care either way. This excludes the idiots who write the "Pokemon is satanic" articles in the first place, though. But this doesn't have anything to do with the topic anyway.

 

[Dissonance]

i think we're missing something really important here



why the fuck were you using ie?

I was on my bosses computer wasting valuable tax dollarz posting on rmxp.org :3

It is WRONG. People who aren't responsible and self-confident and don't have a stable relationship with a single partner shouldn't ever care about sex. I mean, they shouldn't be looking for condoms and an opportunity to have sex if they don't fulfill their duties as a responsible adult. No teenager should have sex, not even once, not even as a game.

I lol'd.  You are completely and totally wrong.  Why is 'teenager' the magical age?  Why is it that a mature 19 year old a day from 20 can't do it in your eyes, but a 20 year old who wants to do nothing but get drunk and fuck whatever hole appears in front of his cock is allowed?

Sex isn't wrong, and young teenagers aren't ready for sex as you say only because we do our best to raise them as innocent and uneducated little angels concerning sex and it backfires in our faces 100% of the time, turning them into closet sluts.

Regarding the study mentioned on the first post I might say that they are foolish, no baby masturbates as they say. Many parents would have notice such a strange behavior if that ever happened. No one reported such a thing. So the real conclusion should be that those scientists are actually perverting those babies just to prove their point, they forget that they should be impartial and accept that the babies never masturbated as they wanna claim now. Babies may want to touch things like toys but they still are naive, maybe I should say they're still pure compared to an adult. They don't feel such a need to play with their sexual organs, they just get uncomfortable whenever their diapers are wet

This is pretty much all I'm hearing here:

Scientist: hey babies masturbate

Shadowball: OMG NO THEY DON'T YOURE PERVERTING THE BABIES TO SKEW THE RESULTS YOU'RE LIBERAL ASS PEDOS THIS NEVER HAPPENED

Scientist: look here's a video or a picture or someshit its real

Shadowball: NO I WON'T LOOK YOURE WRONG BABIES ARE PURE STOP

Scientist: look at all these parents who have seen it though

Shadowball: NO NO NO LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU~~~

Anyway that's referring to adult love and adult sex. For kids, they haven't developed the ability to distinguish such things, so sex and love can very well become an ugly synonymous thing to them.

Is it because they can't naturally develop them at that age, or because we fail to teach them that distinction until they're older?

Is that limitation just a natural failing due to their youth or a failing on the parts of their parents and surroundings?

 

[___]

Please tone it down in here a little bit guys, this conversation is already going to distasteful places. If you want to talk about the science behind babies masturbating don't sit here and argue about whether or not it happens or whether you think the studies existed, or whether you believe they were conducted professionally. There is no point in going back and forth saying "yes huh" "nuh uh". Forum rules say if you make a statement referring to an outside source and your source is challenged you need to supply the source or drop the subject. ~N

@Diss: Got USB ports? Get a thumb drive and Firefox portable.

 

[gamingfan1989]

The only people who are really against sex in teenage years are the people who really didn't experience sex in their teenage years.

If they had gotten any in high school at all, they probably wouldn't give half a shit.

 

[harbino]

If they had got any at all, they would give a shit because they would be parents... teens tend to have a habit of not using condoms... or at least some.

I think children have a right to know about sex and pregnancy and all that, but should only skim the surface.... they should now about how they came to be born, but they shouldn't be tought about having sex and condoms and that until they are ready.

 

[Ellie]

If they aren't taught about condoms, then when the time comes to do it, they wont know what one is so wont use one.

 

[harbino]

Yeah, like I said, when the time comes to it, then they should be tought about them.

Not when they're 5, but more sortof starting puberty.

 

[Sonata]

That's when they teach them bro.

Also go back to neoseeker.

 

[Ellie]

Everyone starts pruberty at a different age, which is a problem with that method of teaching.

 

[Sonata]

But there's really only a range of five or six years in which kids start puberty. Besides, aside from that small flaw this is obviously the best way to go about it.

 

[harbino]

Apparantly puberty is starting to get earlier in England.... and last thing I want is a spotty snotty five year old telling me what to do.... I have enough of ten year olds saying that...

 

[Ellie]

Oh well.

Are you that weak and puny that when a kid tells you to do something you run away and do it?

(Seriously, how old are you?)

Anyway. You say kids are reaching puberty by five, if that is the case (which it's not, or not widespread anyway), then why are you saying kids shouldn't be taught about sex at five...

Not when they're 5, but more sortof starting puberty.

Apparantly puberty is starting to get earlier in England.... and last thing I want is a spotty snotty five year old telling me what to do....

When I was little my Dad sat me down in front of him and said he needs to talk. I said "I know all about sex already" and walked off. He seemed quite stunned. The point I'm trying to make is that by the time we teach our kids about sex, they already know anyway, and it's likely a decent minority have already had a sexual experience before then.

 

[harbino]

When I said 5 I meant it as a figure of speech, i.e. they are reaching that age quite young now.

And I am not weak or puny... its the fact that they are annoying and starting to get up themselves.

 

[Venetia]

I believe that the main focus of this debate was on sexuality of CHILDREN (i.e. pre-12-years-old). You know, the Freudian belief that all kids experience the same sexual urges as adults, but they are unable to process it the same way.

Even if it's not about that, talk about that instead, since everyone has heard this tired discussion about teenagers' sexuality before.

 

[harbino]

How would Freud know if kids have the same sexual urges as adults?  Has he... asked....???

Lol, Sigs a Paedo.