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WaronXXX;144124 said:
Yeah the norse afterlife is like 50 times better than most other religion's afterlives. If I was going to believe in any afterlife it would be that one just because it's cooler.
Where do you think we go when we die?
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Yeah the norse afterlife is like 50 times better than most other religion's afterlives. If I was going to believe in any afterlife it would be that one just because it's cooler.
TofuMatt;144326 said:
Boy, I like the way you think.
And I can't believe how famous Tegan and Sara are getting. I have been listening to them since Business of Art had come out and they were still just a pair of cute girls with acoustic guitars. But I digress.
I have to say I think the afterlife is utter nonexistance. When we die, we cease to be. This is not a good or bad thing: your mind no longer exists so you can't have regrets. In some ways I think it is better than a heaven where you could dwell on what you did wrong.
What I want to believe, though, is that I will be with those I love when I die. It doesn't matter when or how. If I could go right back to the start and be reborn as a new person and grow up and meet the people in my life again through new eyes, that would be peachy.
Deliciously_Saucy
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What? Are you mentally retarded? Sorry to break this to you but you just ROT IN THE GROUND WITH MAGGOTS FEASTING ON YOUR CORPSE you dumb fuck.Pyromanga;135660 said:
I have mixed feelings about whether or not there is any sort of afterlife. On one hand, I don't have any particular reason to believe in one, but given how completely unable I am to comprehend consciousness and my tendency to think wishfully, I would definitely not rule it out at all.
Yeah, I always knew Tegan and Sara would go far... I heard The Business of Art and was like "these girls are going to be big"...
For the record, I have no grounds to believe anything happens to us when we die -- we just stop living, and that's all we get. Makes me want to enjoy every day as best I can.
For the record, I have no grounds to believe anything happens to us when we die -- we just stop living, and that's all we get. Makes me want to enjoy every day as best I can.
lunarhiro2002
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I think the question isn't so much where do we go when we die, but where do you want to go?
Each person here has presented either what they think will happen or where they want to go when they die. Even if they use what they think will happen it really comes down to what they want believe.
I'm going to see Jesus when I die
And not to cause an argument but what Powerdude is talking about is what he believes not what every Christian agrees with ... Erk...
Each person here has presented either what they think will happen or where they want to go when they die. Even if they use what they think will happen it really comes down to what they want believe.
I'm going to see Jesus when I die
And not to cause an argument but what Powerdude is talking about is what he believes not what every Christian agrees with ... Erk...
Brimstone-x
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I think its freedom.The human brain only uses 1/100 percent. What if, we had time to get that too 100%? What if, when we die, we are a mind, free from the human body, to think for as long as we want. I think, when you die, you get to play god. Use that 100% of your brain's imagination, to build your universe. (Kinda like the sims lol). You get to make every single detail in it. And since the universe is endless, so is this imagination thing your creating. And thats my belief.
Or...Y'know, what I was brought up to believe about Jesus and that. Which ever I decide to believe in the longrun.
Or...Y'know, what I was brought up to believe about Jesus and that. Which ever I decide to believe in the longrun.
Roman Candle
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No. That is not true.
There is not the slightest reason for anyone to believe that - regardless of whether or not the mind/soul is separate from the body - a mind can exist without a body. And why on earth would anyone want to? You wouldn't be able to perceive anything, you'd be incapable of movement. That sounds more like torture than playing god. I mean, I really hope that when I die, I just die, because otherwise I'm in for such a lot of shit. I can just imagine God standing there:
"This isn't really acceptable"
"Well, it's not my fault, no one told me I was supposed to do it"
"Have you even read the Bible?"
"Well, I did, but I didn't finish all of it, beacuse I had a lot of other work to do, and I've been really busy with coursework"
:p
There is not the slightest reason for anyone to believe that - regardless of whether or not the mind/soul is separate from the body - a mind can exist without a body. And why on earth would anyone want to? You wouldn't be able to perceive anything, you'd be incapable of movement. That sounds more like torture than playing god. I mean, I really hope that when I die, I just die, because otherwise I'm in for such a lot of shit. I can just imagine God standing there:
"This isn't really acceptable"
"Well, it's not my fault, no one told me I was supposed to do it"
"Have you even read the Bible?"
"Well, I did, but I didn't finish all of it, beacuse I had a lot of other work to do, and I've been really busy with coursework"
:p
Brimstone-x
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Oh, Meh, I'm sticking with my Catholic beliefs than.
CompletelyAnon
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I don't think that there's an afterlife, no heaven or hell. I do believe in reincarnation, though. A chance to live life again, that's heaven to me.
I think the key to figuring out what might happen is to consider the self. Our preoccupation with death, after all, comes from our knowledge of our own existence. Knowing that I exist, I'd like to know what will happen to I when I am incapable of acting upon this universe.
When I think of it that way, I am inclined to believe that the existence of "I" is no mere coincidence, so "I" must have some function even in death. "I" do not occur in nature, at least not through what would seem as natural means as I have observed. Thus, does "I" equate some spark of the divine? And is it because of this imperfect shell that "I" cannot fathom the true depths of infinity that "I" might be?
Perhaps when this physical self is too old and ceases to be "I" will find it's place amongst others like itself in space (heaven) when "I" might connect with other "I" that take up the collective unconscious.
Of course I could just be dizzy and confused because of this BBQ pizza I'm eating. In fact, the basic concept of life after death that's been taught to me by mine and my parent's priest(s)/(ess) if the true and only path I should consider.
(See God, I'm still sticking up for your constantinian form! Just keep to the plan about you hooking me up with that hawt girl and we'll be A-OK! d(-v-)b)
What I'm trying to say, is that any notion of death that we can hypothesize on at this time (and in this forum) is mere hearsay, and can dabble into pleasant imaginations we cannot qualify nor quantify. Therefore, while it is entertaining to muse certain perspectives and points of view on the subject, would it (or should it) be asked of us to discuss the why we believe in certain theories and not others?
When I think of it that way, I am inclined to believe that the existence of "I" is no mere coincidence, so "I" must have some function even in death. "I" do not occur in nature, at least not through what would seem as natural means as I have observed. Thus, does "I" equate some spark of the divine? And is it because of this imperfect shell that "I" cannot fathom the true depths of infinity that "I" might be?
Perhaps when this physical self is too old and ceases to be "I" will find it's place amongst others like itself in space (heaven) when "I" might connect with other "I" that take up the collective unconscious.
Of course I could just be dizzy and confused because of this BBQ pizza I'm eating. In fact, the basic concept of life after death that's been taught to me by mine and my parent's priest(s)/(ess) if the true and only path I should consider.
(See God, I'm still sticking up for your constantinian form! Just keep to the plan about you hooking me up with that hawt girl and we'll be A-OK! d(-v-)b)
What I'm trying to say, is that any notion of death that we can hypothesize on at this time (and in this forum) is mere hearsay, and can dabble into pleasant imaginations we cannot qualify nor quantify. Therefore, while it is entertaining to muse certain perspectives and points of view on the subject, would it (or should it) be asked of us to discuss the why we believe in certain theories and not others?
Mega Flare
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this is what i think. when you die you go... where ever they put your body
Personally, we will never know the answer to this question until we die ourselves. But, by then we couldn't be revived and tell people, what death is like. Personally, I'm not sure if their is a Heaven or Hell, but I can probably learn towards a scientific perspective in which the body decomposes, and your bodies nutrients are released back to the environment in the soil.
Powerdude247;136448 said:
I'm with Powerdude, except that it is slightly different to good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell. I mean, who is good? Who has done nothing wrong in their life? How many wrong things did it take to chuck Adam and Eve out of the garden of Eden? ONE! And that is how many things it will take us to get sent to hell! This is because God is perfect, and though he loves us all, nothing imperfect can enter Heaven, cos that is where he is.
However, cos he does love us, he provided an alternative instead of leaving us in this astronomically stuffed state. To put it simply, Jesus switched places with us. God came to earth, from heaven, as a man. He lived a perfect life, and died in our place. He went through Hell ON THE CROSS, not for his own sins, but for ours. So, we walk free. Someone else has taken the sentence. But you have to accept it! it is a gift, and God isn't going to force it on us. You have to accept it. that is the differenc between Christians and Non-Christians. Christians have accepted the gift. It isn't divine favouritism, it is who has walked through the fire escape into an Awesome life with God.
That is what God's word, the Bible says, and that is what i believe.
But each to their own. (sorry for the long post)
PM me with questions
Jonathan;151732 said:
Ok, that's where I take issue with the Bible. And I've asked this question of many other Christians and they've given mixed answers...
If God is so loving and super-special awesome and all that other great stuff we know and love him for, then why would he let other people, who live in areas where they've never heard of Jesus before go to hell, simply because they where born in the wrong place at the wrong time? (And keep in mind it is God who says, "ok, this soul is going to the Native American tribe at the turn of the century in America where no Christian has set foot yet.")
There are an innumerable number of people who've never been able to accept Jesus because there was no Christian around to offer them the gift of life?
When I ask this of other Christians, and even some ministers the answer I usually get it "Well when they die Jesus asks them if they want to accept his gift of awesomeness and hang out with him or go to hell and... Not have fun..." That seems preposterous. So, just because I happened to have been born in 1984 to a Christian family I've got to lay back and be a good guy while another guy who was born 1,700 years ago to a nordic/germanic tribe (as the Carolingian, who became Christians later) gets to drink goats blood, rape and pillage all he wants and then, when he dies, gets to see Jesus who says "hey, wanna hang out with me or go to that cold dark place down there where this creepy guy with horns will sodomize you for all eternity?"
The Christian take on the afterlife is so full of holes that, even as a Christian, I'm inclined to believe some parts of it where twisted or fabricated to accommodate the economic and social re-organization of Christianity during the Byzantine era.
Roman Candle
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I just assumed God would make allowances. I mean, He is God, right? Infinite mercy? That God?
In the Bible, there is a bit in romans that says:
For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
Even if they don't know all of the details, they should know that a God exists through what they can see in nature. If, then they are searching for this God, they will find him, because in the Bible it says "ask and it shall be given to you, Seek and you will find." How God would do this i have no idea, it is up to him. But, we can guarrantee that he would do it, because he promised it, and he doesn't go back on his promises. It says in Joshua:
You know with all your heart and soul that not one of all the good promises the LORD your God gave you has failed. Every promise has been fulfilled; not one has failed.
In India, there was a guy who became a christian through what he had seen in a dream. No missionary had ever been to this area. The guy was seeking for God, and he found God. There are probably (probably because i haven't been told of any others, but i bet that it happens more often than we think) many other instances of this.
Another theory is that since God knows each person intimately, he would know whether they would accept him if they heard about him in the Bible. However, i'm not convinced about this, as it would mean that there would be no need to tell people about God. Nevertheless, God may use a mechanism like this.
That is what I reckon anyway.
For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
Even if they don't know all of the details, they should know that a God exists through what they can see in nature. If, then they are searching for this God, they will find him, because in the Bible it says "ask and it shall be given to you, Seek and you will find." How God would do this i have no idea, it is up to him. But, we can guarrantee that he would do it, because he promised it, and he doesn't go back on his promises. It says in Joshua:
You know with all your heart and soul that not one of all the good promises the LORD your God gave you has failed. Every promise has been fulfilled; not one has failed.
In India, there was a guy who became a christian through what he had seen in a dream. No missionary had ever been to this area. The guy was seeking for God, and he found God. There are probably (probably because i haven't been told of any others, but i bet that it happens more often than we think) many other instances of this.
Another theory is that since God knows each person intimately, he would know whether they would accept him if they heard about him in the Bible. However, i'm not convinced about this, as it would mean that there would be no need to tell people about God. Nevertheless, God may use a mechanism like this.
That is what I reckon anyway.