What is so wrong with homosexuals? I mean really?

[FoxDemonSoavi]

We are not all born male or female. Do you know how many genital and chromsomal defects there are? Qutie a few. One defect Androgyn Insensitivty disorder (I think thats the name) upon puberty an otherwise male person developes as a female. Another one has what seems to be a girl but upon puberty testees drop down. Talk about weird. Those are just a few. IF you want me to go find and site sorces for as many of these as possible, I will. Though my favorite, people who are otherwise male but have an xx instead of an xy. XD. see also, hemaphrodites.

 

[Erk]

Actually, we're born female for the most part. Masculinity is a sort of evolutionary defect. Without testosterone receptors, all humans - all mammals as I recall - default to female. XY females are a great example, because aside from being infertile (they have testes, not ovaries, so make no eggs) and having a delayed puberty (they don't produce enough steroids to get the same kick), they are totally normal girls... yet genetically men.

From a religious perspective, if God wanted us to be just men and women he would have made a distinct boundary between the sexes, but instead he made the differences fuzzy. However, religion does not really belong in this debate. If you believe gayness to be religiously wrong, it is doubtful you will be able to provide reasonable argument for why it is morally wrong.

 

[Suain]

^ Ooh, liked that one.

I have nothing intelligent to add (and I can't be bothered to read all the posts), but someone wrote earlier that earth's population would die out if all people were gay.
Uh, if EVERYONE were gay, that would mean the governments, scientists etc were also gay, in which case someone would invent a way for same sex couples to have kids FAST! :lol:

And about the religion thing, I was reminded of this quote by someone much smarter than I...
"God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. The lovely couple had a bunch of wonderful children... And then Cain killed Abel. And went on to impregnate his sister."

Christianity is BASED on sins, so I find it kind of silly to use it to harass people.

And before anyone says anything, I did infact grow up in a christian home, and I don't mind the religion I just find it silly, like I said.

 

[Flare I Am]

I wouldn't hate on someone just because they're "gay".

Personally, I think that it does lead to immoral things, considering that if everyone finally decided to be gay, your lesbian couple would be forced to have sex with a gay man in order for the human race to survive.

I think that's a terrible thing, to have to cheat on your lover simply because of a technicality that everyone's a homosexual.

 

[Minkoff]

*No trolling* Yes, anything can be harmful in ridiculously extreme quantities. *No trolling* You do realize that it can work the other way, right? The world is suffering from an over population problem RIGHT NOW. The less people having kids, the better, so gay people adopting is actually helping, in a tiny, probably statistically insignificant way.

 

[Roman Candle]

People don't 'choose' to be gay :-/ So I don't know where people get this idea of depopulating the earth from.

@Flare:
Never heard of artifical insemination?

 

[kratos609]

Well i know why they said that... *dont hate me cuz im christian, this isnt my buisness and i wont try to shove christianality down your throats* It says in the bible that man shall love women, not man shall love man. See, Humans need to populate the world, and if everyone is gay, then we all die. And God does not want that to ever happen. *dont think it would* See where im going with this?

Perfectly said. I agree.

 

[Volrath]

That idea that homosexuality will lead to the extinction of the human race is just fallacious slippery-slope nonsense. Does anybody actually believe that there will be one day where everyone is gay? That's just as ridiculous as assuming that one day everyone will be blond. It just doesn't work that way. Some people are gay, some people aren't. It's pretty bad that I have to actually explain this, but since that point keeps coming up, I didn't have a choice.

Also, what about two straight people who get married and choose not to have children? By that logic, they would be just as bad. With reasoning like that, it seems clear that distaste from homosexuality comes from something much deeper than some innocent desire to ensure the future of humanity. Honestly, nuclear war has more of a chance of wiping out mankind than homosexuality.

"When you teach a man to hate and fear his brother, when you teach that he is a lesser man because of his color or his beliefs or the policies he pursues, when you teach that those who differ from you threaten your freedom or your job or your family, then you also learn to confront others not as fellow citizens but as enemies, to be met not with cooperation but with conquest; to be subjugated and mastered.

We must admit the vanity of our false distinctions among men and learn to find our own advancement in the search for the advancement of others. We must admit in ourselves that our own children's future cannot be built on the misfortunes of others. We must recognize that this short life can neither be ennobled or enriched by hatred or revenge.

Our lives on this planet are too short and the work to be done too great to let this spirit flourish any longer in our land. Of course we cannot vanquish it with a program, nor with a resolution.

But we can perhaps remember, if only for a time, that those who live with us are our brothers, that they share with us the same short moment of life; that they seek, as do we, nothing but the chance to live out their lives in purpose and in happiness, winning what satisfaction and fulfillment they can."
-Robert F. Kennedy

 

[djzalzer]

Of course, I am a Christian, and am obviously biased from religion about this topic. However, I couldn't help but butt in here.

Firstly, I believe that homosexuality is a choice. I say this because as living organisms, we of course feel a need to reproduce. Therefore homosexuality would be considered a defect from a purely scientific point of view. The only other organisms that are homosexual either would hump anything that crosses their path or are brain damaged (Please, I didn't mean to insult anyone). However, most humans that are homosexual are quite level-headed people. This would mean that this logically bad trait must have been a choice made, either consciously or unconsciously, just like a person's desire to steal something.

Secondly, you may ask, "But why is homosexuality bad?" My answer isn't a very good or logical one at all, but it's the only one that surfaces my mind: it just is. Why is polygamy bad? I don't know! It just is! Why is adultery bad-even if your partner doesn't mind? It just is. I know that for everybody, this is a bad answer. But it's the right one, I think.

Lastly, about discrimination. I won't say I like homosexuality, but I won't hate somebody for choosing to be homosexual. My religion is one of love, not hate. Remember, people, Christians are supposed to Hate the sin and love the sinner, right?

 

[Grey_hok]

It's Propaganda and because they arn't "Normal" as people say.

Normal is everything realy. I have a few Homosexual freinds, they don't bother me.

 

[Roman Candle]

Firstly, I believe that homosexuality is a choice.

Common mistake, I'm afraid Homosexuality is no more a choice than heterosexuality is, or sexuality at all.

I say this because as living organisms, we of course feel a need to reproduce. Therefore homosexuality would be considered a defect from a purely scientific point of view. The only other organisms that are homosexual either would hump anything that crosses their path or are brain damaged (Please, I didn't mean to insult anyone). However, most humans that are homosexual are quite level-headed people. This would mean that this logically bad trait must have been a choice made, either consciously or unconsciously, just like a person's desire to steal something.

Your argument is that homosexuality reduces reproductive rates, and that since some level-headed people are gay, it is a choice? I don't see how that follows. The same is true for frigid people - is that a choice?

To explain why so many people think homosexuality is a choice, I'd have to do what annoys me most about the most pig headed of those who are convinced of it, and be highly presumtuous. The majority of Christians still labour under the conviction that sodomy is a sin - which I would strongly contest. Regardless, to maintain that we have free will, it's important to believe that all sins are a choice. But it just isn't, I promise you. Cross my heart and hope to die, on my mother's grave, etc.

 

[Minkoff]

Maybe just a little bit. Still, I think you can do better than that djzalzer. I mean, seriously, you could do that with anything (Why is it true that the Earth is flat? It just is.)

 

[Lene]

I just want to say:

It has not been proven whether Homosexuality is a choice or something out of a person's control. It will be huge news if there was an answer to that question. So anyone who says one or the other is just speaking their opinion--not fact.

The fact is, this thread has shown that the only ones who believe homosexuality is a sin are those who are Christians.

This is not a fact. But of course, Christians are the scapegoat for this as well as many other issues.

 

[Minkoff]

Not specifically Christians, but seriously try to find an Atheist/Agnostic person who thinks homosexuality is somehow bad. Because seriously, you won't. Part of it is that it's a somewhat polarized issue, and that it's natural to side with like-minded people, but another is that basically, there is absolutely no rational argument for homosexuality being any more wrong than, for instance, being a single parent. For literally every single argument given against homosexuality there is an example of something else that the person making the arguments would never ever think to call wrong that the exact same argument applies to. Whether it's a choice is ENTIRELY, 100% IRRELEVANT. There is absolutely no non-religious, logical basis for homosexuality being wrong. None. It is entirely a religious argument. So yeah, the people who believe homosexuality is wrong are not all Christians, but they are all religious nutjobs and homophobes.

 

[Erk]

Secondly, you may ask, "But why is homosexuality bad?" My answer isn't a very good or logical one at all, but it's the only one that surfaces my mind: it just is. Why is polygamy bad? I don't know! It just is! Why is adultery bad-even if your partner doesn't mind? It just is. I know that for everybody, this is a bad answer. But it's the right one, I think.

Some important points that have not yet been brought up in reference to this passage: the "it just is" revulsion people feel to something they don't understand is something everyone needs to heavily analyse. If your only reason for condemning the life of millions of people around the world is something that you can't explain logically, don't you think that is a problem? Perhaps not, since the fundamental logic of a religion is "Why does god exist? He just does" so the argument may seem less anathema to a religious individual. I for one think that attitude is probably the most dangerous one in the world.

Why do infidels need to die? They just do.

 

[puppetslave]

all I ask is that PLEASE people- don't state the beliefs of Christianity if you don't 100% know what we believe. 90% of the comments about what Christains believe have been wrong in some way or another. All I ask is that you do your research first.
BTW the "it just is" philosophy is BS
no Christian should use that as why they believe what they believe

If you believe what you believe just because, then you are a fool -_-

 

[Lene]

I know several non-religious people who are homophobic and it's a cultural mindset not a religious one (although one can argue that religion has something to do with how that cultural mindset got started). And to an extent, speaking as a black person...there's a shitload of negativity (mostly unspoken, but it's still there) regarding homosexuality and a lot of it has nothing to do w/ religion.

 

[Minkoff]

I know several non-religious people who are homophobic and it's a cultural mindset not a religious one (although one can argue that religion has something to do with how that cultural mindset got started). And to an extent, speaking as a black person...there's a shitload of negativity (mostly unspoken, but it's still there) regarding homosexuality and a lot of it has nothing to do w/ religion.

Maybe I should have been more clear and put "or" instead of "and." Homophobia is not specific to religion. You are entirely right that it's not a purely religious mindset. Religious rules are based on society's rules, not the other way around. Homophobia existed before someone wrote it in the Bible. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that homophobia is irrational.

You seem to be acting like Christians are under attack here. As a whole, they are not really. Only the people of a specific mindset are. Prejudice is not moral whether you think God's behind you or not. That's why we disagree with white supremacists, terrorists, and um... just about everyone else who thinks and does terrible things because of their religious beliefs.

 

[MisterSaturn]

I have no problem with gay people at all. People who hate gays have issues. If Im in public and I see a guy and a girl kissing my reaction would be nothing. Thats their business and I dont mind it. Same thing the other way, If im in public and I see 2 guys kissing or 2 girls kissing my reaction would be nothing, its their business. Im not gonna throw up just because they are doing what they want. That would be ridiculous. I have a friend who is gay and another friend that is bi, I have no problem with them at all. God is not going to hate you just because you are gay.

 

[Roman Candle]

The whole of Christianity is under attack, by idiots - gay idiots, aetheist idiots, and miscinallanious idiots. Just like all gays are under attack - by idiots, and all aetheists are under attack - by idiots.

Most of our modern ethics come down to 'it just is' in the end. Why is it wrong to steal/kill/beat/decieve someone? Because you shouldn't hurt people. Why not?
a)You just shouldn't.
b)Because empathy makes you feel bad => "Aha, but kicking people makes me feel good. And holding back from kicking people makes me feel bad. Therefore it's acceptable for me to go around kicking people?"

I met a homophobic aetheist the other day. I was quite horrible to her, and now I feel really guilty ... ... ... Now I'm fine.