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The sketch thread!

That feels overacted, it'd probably have more impact if she was more subtle and devious about it, but I dunno, that just seems like the sort of thing that you don't see written often-- not in that way. There are plenty of character who are psychopathic beyond all belief, the crazy baby-obsessed woman from Drakengard comes to mind, but it was done in a way that wasn't in your face.

I mean Mira from the Ravenous route of Crowfeast would be the closest to being similar, but she's written in a way that isn't offputting, and I'm not sure if it's just me, but that 4 lines of dialogue is offputting, and not even in the 'it's too sick and twisted for mortal eyes' way, it's more just so juvenile and morbid it feels like a fanfic writer could tear it to shreds. I don't wanna sound too harsh because I know I myself used to write somewhat like that, to which I nowadays cringe, so since your art is really what I should be offering constructive criticism for if anything, I'll lend my two cents on it instead.

I'm gonna get the criticisms over with first, the head is a damned mess, and you only need to look at one decent tutorial on drawing anime to correct every problem, here's one I used that is literally one page.
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So you went wrong with basically everything you could, first the eyes entirely are too large and defy the one-eye-width rule, they are also inhumanely slanted, the head as a whole is too heighty, and as a result, everything is far longer than it needs to be, also the nose and consequently, mouth, are up too high. It looks like bad DBZ fan art.

I could go into how boobs don't work that way and that the neck is too long but I feel like that's just insult to injury at this point, once you get faces down the rest will fall into place.

Also the eyes could be down further too, the ears are out of alignment, but are actually about where they should be, though you'd also want to also lower the cranium down too.

Okay, so what's good? Well, your details are very fleshed out and your shading is solid. Just follow that tutorial trust me it's what I did and it's the difference from this:
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To this:
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What's good about the tutorial is you don't even have to make the drawing in it, it's good for pointing out the rules and proportions that makes the difference between the drawings above. I abhor that first one, it was and still is a fucking abomination, that update while newer, is still over a year and a half old, but it holds up because it knows the rules, also the eyes are still super pretty.

You'll see the second looks a lot more proportional and based, where as the first one looks sloppy, like I had no idea what I was doing. That's because I had NO idea, what the christ I was even doing.

But it only took that tutorial and a couple drawings applying it's laws and I was at stage 2. People say 'practice' a lot, but really it doesn't take much practice to do a thing right once you understand it. What's good about that tutorial is you only have to read it and look at the diagrams to understand it.

In actual sketchy news I finished the cat.
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Actually, the only problems *I* have with Hybrida's picture are the large eyes and odd proportions regarding the neck/shoulder area. But it's got potential.

Your faces are a bit better, BizarreMonkey, but even you have proportion issues.

BUT I'm not one to talk as I struggle with proportions myself. And hands.

NSFW - FRONT NEKKID GIRL

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NSFW - BEWBS

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Hybrida

☆ Biggest Ego ☆
Member

StrawberrySmiles":214dpm95 said:
Actually, the only problems *I* have with Hybrida's picture are the large eyes and odd proportions regarding the neck/shoulder area. But it's got potential.

Thank you, but It's done on purpose. Most of my HYBRID characters look similar to Grey aliens. It's an appearance I like personally, since my entire story is based on Hybrid humans... Remember none of my characters are 100% human. Here's a Grey photo:

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Notice anything? It's quite obvious, and have some more proof:
Fact: My obsession with hybrids happened in 1992. I saw a TV show called Sightings and one called Unsolved mysteries. Both featured an episode with a little hybrid human alien girl. Very cute and scary. Something about a woman being abducted and having her baby stolen by aliens. 10 years later the aliens would abduct the same woman and reunite her with her child.

The 10 year old girl had red hair and really large blue eyes. Incredibly cute. The mother wanted to keep her, but the greys said no. (Jerks)


That quote is from my post in the factoids thread page 23... I understand I don't sketch very well without computer assistance. Just using paper here. I can't even draw 2 eyes (or anything) exactly the same.

@Everyone else, I have a very, very serious low tolerance of unwanted assistance. I'll just stop posting here if you guys feel the need to write a novel after every post I make. Honestly I rather people just say nothing, instead of trying to correct something that's not standardly human in the 1st place. IE: All 350 hybrid girls I've created. I'm already reluctant to share anything on the Internet. Don't make my life more difficult and depressing.

I shouldn't have to Photoshop/computer edit sketches to 100% perfection. That's not the goal of this thread is it? "Please post a masterpiece you created" I didn't read that anywhere. My drawing/sketching skills are like a 20 out of 100. Don't like my drawing style? Too bad, don't worry about it, it's not your problem or responsibility. Don't try to help or I'll get angry at you. That's just the way I am in real life. I have ego issues. Okay? :biggrin:
 
Hybrida":31ry5pl7 said:
StrawberrySmiles":31ry5pl7 said:
Actually, the only problems *I* have with Hybrida's picture are the large eyes and odd proportions regarding the neck/shoulder area. But it's got potential.

Thank you, but It's done on purpose. Most of my HYBRID characters look similar to Grey aliens. It's an appearance I like personally, since my entire story is based on Hybrid humans... Remember none of my characters are 100% human. Here's a Grey photo:

grey_1-270x270.jpg


Notice anything? It's quite obvious, and have some more proof:

It makes more sense now. It's not that bad, regardless. :D
 
Hybrida":1sd3nhub said:
Here's a Grey photo:

grey_1-270x270.jpg
ayyyy lmao

Hybrida":1sd3nhub said:
I can't even draw 2 eyes (or anything) exactly the same.
Neither can I. In fact literally no one in the world is capable of making two identical eyes on a piece of paper, which is why drawing things on a 3/4 angle is more fun! (If more difficult if you struggle with headshapes and facial construction)

Hybrida":1sd3nhub said:
@Everyone else, I have a very, very serious low tolerance of unwanted assistance. I'll just stop posting here if you guys feel the need to write a novel after every post I make. Honestly I rather people just say nothing, instead of trying to correct something that's not standardly human in the 1st place. IE: All 350 hybrid girls I've created. I'm already reluctant to share anything on the Internet. Don't make my life more difficult and depressing.
Well if it makes you feel better, I just want to see you get better at art, I wouldn't have written a novel how to if I could care less.

Hybrida":1sd3nhub said:
I shouldn't have to Photoshop/computer edit sketches to 100% perfection.
You don't. No one said you did.

Hybrida":1sd3nhub said:
That's not the goal of this thread is it? "Please post a masterpiece you created" I didn't read that anywhere. My drawing/sketching skills are like a 20 out of 100. Don't like my drawing style? Too bad, don't worry about it, it's not your problem or responsibility.
It'd be nice if you could stop placing words in our mouth that weren't there to begin with. I sure as fuck don't dote my work as a masterpiece and most masterpieces look like utter horseshit, anyway. One de facto masterpiece actually is just a turd with gold sprinkles. Art is stupid, the only reason I offered you constructive criticism is because I'd like to help you improve, if you don't want that, then that's fine. Just most artists would. Literally this thread has been 'post art no feedback' for a lot of it, so sometimes I do like to give people feedback because I feel its less impersonal then than just ignoring people and posting my own shit. It also encourages people to actively discuss art instead of it just being a dumping ground.

Hybrida":1sd3nhub said:
Don't try to help or I'll get angry at you. That's just the way I am in real life. I have ego issues. Okay? :biggrin:
Don't we all? Ahahahahaha.

It's cool mang, I understand.

StrawberrySmiles":1sd3nhub said:
Actually, the only problems *I* have with Hybrida's picture are the large eyes and odd proportions regarding the neck/shoulder area. But it's got potential.

Your faces are a bit better, BizarreMonkey, but even you have proportion issues.

BUT I'm not one to talk as I struggle with proportions myself. And hands.

NSFW - FRONT NEKKID GIRL

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NSFW - BEWBS

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Omg yes!

Your boobied girls are practically the only reason I even still come to this thread beyond showing off!

Speaking of, guess who's currently a schoolfree art-fresh motherfucker who wants to show his ripe riches off?

Yeah, it's this guy!

Lettuce Begin

Gemstone girl I finally got around to drawing, had an image of her in my head ever since I first began concepting fantasia.
http://i.imgur.com/lVtUNQl.jpg

One of my aliens who is super angry basically all of the time and has a mean sword to add to the mix.
http://i.imgur.com/OKNkg4u.jpg

Same cat lady from before, but different angle and expression/pose.
http://i.imgur.com/Z0nIFp2.jpg

My real life friend Curtis, whom I maintain a vividly unimaginably cool persona for in my games under 'Kurtis', who is also 'The messenger' and Member X of Corporation XVI.
http://i.imgur.com/MPrjIF9.jpg

He's also seen in several of the corporation group drawings.
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Finally, here's the cover image for my whatever'th art book I'm on now.
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You'll see Gemgirl, Esperia, Fyori, Zardari, Tristy and three new characters that aren't actually new at all down the bottom, and Spooky being a wise-ass above like usual.
 

Hybrida

☆ Biggest Ego ☆
Member

coyotecraft":1fgxsxmv said:
You'll get over it.
It's what Friends, Family, and Forums are for.
Just my family. I don't have worry about them being ultra critical on everything I do. If they do, they know I'll punch them in the face, make them cry, disable their credit cards, yell at them, and make them sleep outside.

The internet is the absolute worst place for anything. It's why I don't do social media. I normally avoid communication at all costs. I absolutely love when developers cancel games because people were jerks online. Too critical. Oh, well. Picky picky picky. End up with nothing. I had to do the same with my game. We can thank this site for it, and youtube.

ZenVirZan":1fgxsxmv said:
Hybrida":1fgxsxmv said:
I have ego issues. Okay?
do we know lol
generally people post things looking to improve, we should have known better tbh

Nothing to improve. I tried for 16 years. It's not gonna work. Imagine how frustrating that is for me? I'm genetically incapable in the area of drawing or sketching. I've been here almost 7 years. How many times did I ask for assistance or help from anyone during those 7 years? Exactly. Zero... I already know it's a waste of time, and not gonna work. Yes, you guys should have known better. I'm HYBRIDA.

BizarreMonkey":1fgxsxmv said:
Hybrida":1fgxsxmv said:
I can't even draw 2 eyes (or anything) exactly the same.
Neither can I. In fact literally no one in the world is capable of making two identical eyes on a piece of paper, which is why drawing things on a 3/4 angle is more fun! (If more difficult if you struggle with headshapes and facial construction)
It''s almost like telling a alien "Aye, your head shape is all wrong. Your face is incorrect." It's a goddamn alien. I guess when I say Hybrid girl, people ignore the Hybrid part. I really don't understand why.

BizarreMonkey":1fgxsxmv said:
Hybrida":1fgxsxmv said:
@Everyone else, I have a very, very serious low tolerance of unwanted assistance. I'll just stop posting here if you guys feel the need to write a novel after every post I make. Honestly I rather people just say nothing, instead of trying to correct something that's not standardly human in the 1st place. IE: All 350 hybrid girls I've created. I'm already reluctant to share anything on the Internet. Don't make my life more difficult and depressing.
Well if it makes you feel better, I just want to see you get better at art, I wouldn't have written a novel how to if I could care less.

Your support wasn't requested. Thanks Anyway. (I never ask for help. Especially on the internet.)

BizarreMonkey":1fgxsxmv said:
Hybrida":1fgxsxmv said:
I shouldn't have to Photoshop/computer edit sketches to 100% perfection.
You don't. No one said you did.

If I have to receive a tutorial every post I make, it's implied that I need to post a near perfect pic for people for people stop fuckin' doing that. It's almost insulting. In my mind it translates into "You're doing it wrong, do it our way." NO :box: "Why?" I'm drawing beings that's not 100% human, constantly saying that, people still trying apply human proportions, shape, and faces on to beings that shouldn't have that.

BizarreMonkey":1fgxsxmv said:
Hybrida":1fgxsxmv said:
That's not the goal of this thread is it? "Please post a masterpiece you created" I didn't read that anywhere. My drawing/sketching skills are like a 20 out of 100. Don't like my drawing style? Too bad, don't worry about it, it's not your problem or responsibility.
*snip* *snip* *snip* I offered you constructive criticism is because I'd like to help you improve, if you don't want that, then that's fine. *Snip* *snip* *snip*.
I think you're getting it now! I'll make my own thread. If anyone posts in it and demoralize me or offer unessasary assistance/help-- it will result in permanent ignore. I'm actually trying my hardest and exhausted all possible options. It's very important I figure out my mistakes on my own, or I'll become uninterested in the subject. It's just how I am. Honestly I'm not improving pass where I am now, but I'll try. It's only been 16 years, and I'm just 30. Plenty of time.

BizarreMonkey":1fgxsxmv said:
Hybrida":1fgxsxmv said:
Don't try to help or I'll get angry at you. That's just the way I am in real life. I have ego issues. Okay? :biggrin:
Don't we all? Ahahahahaha.

It's cool man, I understand.
^^^FINALLY.

I'm reposting these for no reason at all:
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I seriously understand never to post an pic unless it's been symmetrically altered and cleaned up. That's all I've learned. Never just use pencil and paper. Imperfections show easier, and are detected better in a art editing program. This is my absolute last post in this thread.

Sorry for the inconvenience!
 
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-tru ... er-person/
The last number is the most relevant here
#1. Everything Inside You Will Fight Improvement
  • *Intentionally Interpreting Any Criticism as an Insult
    *Focusing on the Messenger to Avoid Hearing the Message
    *Focusing on the Tone to Avoid Hearing the Content
    *Revising Your Own History
    *Pretending That Any Self-Improvement Would Somehow Be Selling Out Your True Self

Edit: this is food for thought; for everyone.
 
Lol Hybrida don't act like I should know you, we've exchanged verses at most once before if even that. I don't pay a whole lot of attention to dumb bullshit, which I could be an asshole and say describes a large portion of your posts, but I'll refrain from making that blunder directly. It's not as if I don't post dumb bullshit myself, I just don't care when I do, which is why no one challenges me on it, or if they do, they pretty quickly learn I don't care.

It almost seems like you give more of a shit about what you think I think of you than I give a shit about what I think of anyone, which is kinda weird! Inferiority complex, perhaps?

coyotecraft":1kpoy3tj said:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-truths-that-will-make-you-better-person/
The last number is the most relevant here
#1. Everything Inside You Will Fight Improvement
  • *Intentionally Interpreting Any Criticism as an Insult
    *Focusing on the Messenger to Avoid Hearing the Message
    *Focusing on the Tone to Avoid Hearing the Content
    *Revising Your Own History
    *Pretending That Any Self-Improvement Would Somehow Be Selling Out Your True Self

Edit: this is food for thought; for everyone.
Shit thank you jegus, I've been trying to find that article for ages because I read it about a year ago and found myself entirely agreeing with it and then lost the link like a FUCKING IDIOT and everytime I went to cracked.com to find it I ended up doing that thing one does on places like cracked.com or tvtropes.

Get lost and dwindle away hours learning STUFF!

Oh yeah this is a sketch thread, hey?
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Here's my ayyy lmaos.
 
Hybrida":28d3ia9t said:
I seriously understand never to post an pic unless it's been symmetrically altered and cleaned up. That's all I've learned. Never just use pencil and paper. Imperfections show easier, and are detected better in a art editing program.
It's art, literally no one gives a shit about imperfections, I mean none of my stuff is symmetrical or shit before I post it it goes on the scanner raw and is on the forum as raw as when it was drawn.

I didn't spot this while reading through your novel but I figure I should bring it to light.
"This is my absolute last post in this thread."
If anyone blames me for this I'm gonna pop a blood vessel.

EDIT: OOPS FUCK I DIDNT MEAN TO DOUBLE POST.

oh well its not like this forums getting any deader.
 
Okay my patience has expired so I'm bumping, boy it's gonna look bad with my last accidental double post, but do not fret, as I am not entertaining the risky and highly rare 3X TRIPLE-POST COMBOB.

As it would fail spectacularly.

Here is a really adorable Fyori I made. Serazen form (6-winged angel).
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I think you could improve by getting a grip on hairline, how it parts and flows, and how to give it volume.
Inspirational Image|Click To Enlarge


Because right now your characters have Sonic the hedgehog quills. It's ambiguous where the clumps are coming out of. If it's the bangs in front, strands off the side, or sticking out from behind the head. Which is fine for flat drawings, but it's better to have a sense of space and form when shading it. Especially when working with a high level of detail.

Since she has a pony tail, the majority of her hair will be pulled back, lines curving back to the bow instead of the top of her head.
For everything else that's sticking out, you can give it volume by drawing(or imagine) a middle line following the curve of the spike, and just shading one side. Of course, there are a lot of ways to part hair, and how they overlap is up to you. Sometimes it's easier to imaging a bunch of spikes as being a singular mass that splits off into different ends.
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You can shape hair a more intuitively if you start out with gesture lines rather than a solid outline.
 
That was a really shitty example. And looking at it again, maybe you were going for wind tossed hair or something with more movement.
Gesture lines are the way to go. It looks like you wanted to show off her Symbols, I think you could have done it in a more lively pose. Elbows-in and Wrists bent. Very dainty. Like Marilyn Monroe over a subway grate imagery.
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This is how I draw wings.
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coyotecraft":3nr4c0cm said:
That was a really shitty example. And looking at it again, maybe you were going for wind tossed hair or something with more movement.
I was going for hair that was illogical because that's how anime works in my peanut brittle brain! Seriously though, I super appreciate the time and effort, and I've noted those strategies for when I make a digital render.
coyotecraft":3nr4c0cm said:
Gesture lines are the way to go. It looks like you wanted to show off her Symbols, I think you could have done it in a more lively pose. Elbows-in and Wrists bent. Very dainty. Like Marilyn Monroe over a subway grate imagery.
This is a great idea, if not what you suggested I will do something similar, truthfully I was going for her being as adorable and seductive as possible, but I sorta just was like FUCK IT SHE'S RIDING A JETSKI!

As for wings, I'll definitely go to more effort with them in the digital render, I just wanted something that worked and was too lazy to be immaculate about it because traditional drawing is a lot less easy to erase and such, there's no ctrl+z, which is truly frustrating. By the time I'm up to drawing wings I usually just lazybones them. When I try I'm actually pretty decent at wings.

I do definitely need to start being logical with hairlines though.

Edit: After much procrastination, I started on the digital render, taking most of your advice on board, Coyote.
Link because too huge for forum.

Edit: Update, fixed nebulous wind-tunneling.

Edit: AFTER AN ENTIRE REDO AND COLOR, IT'S READY FOR ALL Y'ALL'S GLORIOUS JUDGEMENT.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/370 ... 0Wrath.png
I HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH.

It's a link because 5000 square pixels might just crash the forum.
 
The eye's look great. I think the mouth could use lips - but good job shading the teeth in the corners, that really adds depth.
I would say it's mostly the bridge of the nose. You're transitioning from linework into airbrushing. Knowing the form and structure of the face is important. The roundness of the cheeks and chin and how everything pops out.
The only bit of advice that might be useful to you is that women have narrow bridges. A lot of art styles omit it depending on the angle. There's so many ways to render noses, you just have to try different things until you find what you like.

I've kinda developed a sense for painting faces, but nothing I could verbalize. Just following my intuition. It took some trial and error to get to this point. I played with a warp tool until I found a structure I could work with.
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coyotecraft":eydlfthz said:
The eye's look great. I think the mouth could use lips - but good job shading the teeth in the corners, that really adds depth.
I would say it's mostly the bridge of the nose. You're transitioning from linework into airbrushing. Knowing the form and structure of the face is important. The roundness of the cheeks and chin and how everything pops out.
The only bit of advice that might be useful to you is that women have narrow bridges. A lot of art styles omit it depending on the angle. There's so many ways to render noses, you just have to try different things until you find what you like.

I've kinda developed a sense for painting faces, but nothing I could verbalize. Just following my intuition. It took some trial and error to get to this point. I played with a warp tool until I found a structure I could work with.
noseampmouth_zpsdzjrmbkb.jpg
Lol that looks super weird.

The nose used to be much worse, I did narrow it a ton, it's mostly yeah, the shift in parity, from linework to this more painterly shading.

As a universal rule, I suck at drawing lips, only time I've done it well was in Sunslayer which was me going for a semi-realistic style.

I do wanna get better at it but not right now.

Also I did a bunch of updates, not much on the faceside, it's more blending fixes, giving the blouse a texture to make it look like fabric, massive update to the wings, the old style was too distracting and looked like stained glass rather than wings, they also no longer go under her left knee.
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background was also massively updated, you can just open the same original link and it'll auto-update.
 

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