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Sorry for this but: WOMAN RAPES CHILD; NOT CONSIDERED RAPE.

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I'll believe all that when I see feminists rally for equal criminal titles.

Lol. Yes, because between fighting for equal wages, equity in employment, women's healthcare issues, child care, education equity, social issues, body image fetishism, and a whole host of more shit I could list that would matter much more in the grand scheme of things, the feminist movement as a whole should also fight to correct obscure statutes written god knows how long ago (my bet the fifties), to justify their validity to YOU. Seriously are you this fucking myopic?

Women cannot be rapists nor can they be pedophiles and the public doesn't want to view them that way which is why pedophilia is called seduction and rape is called sexual violation which is just sugar coating the crime to sound less severe and any mentioning of a female rapist is misogyny since men can only rape. My small rant in the OP was directed at the fact that male rape is denied and that's pretty much it ("men cannot be raped since rape for men is limited to penetration and if he is hard then he is enjoying himself"); There was no other deep seeded reason or cryptic message present when I blamed feminism for politically correct criminal titles.

It was viewed that way before the label feminist was ever a thing. How is it their fault?
 

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So fist":2uu9k5j0 said:
Lol. Yes, because between fighting for equal wages, equity in employment, women's healthcare issues, child care, education equity, social issues, body image fetishism, and a whole host of more shit I could list that would matter much more in the grand scheme of things, the feminist movement as a whole should also fight to correct obscure statutes written god knows how long ago (my bet the fifties), to justify their validity to YOU. Seriously are you this fucking myopic?

1) Equal wages already exist lol; The gender wage gap is a byproduct of women taking more sick days, maternity leave, getting pregnant, and occupying lower paid job positions for more flexible lifestyles. On paper it looks like men are being paid more than women but in actuality it's, for example, miners get paid more than secretaries.

2) Education equity: So more female teachers, more female friendly teaching, affirmative action to get 50% of women into certain classes despite more men applying for them?

3) Child care: 70% of child abuse being committed by mothers, 65% of child murder being committed by women, 85% of child custody being won by women; I don't understand what you mean..

4) Equity in Employment: Female cops are never backed up by other female cops nor do many females make it into basic training in the military and I never see female garbage workers because most women don't want to work low-class jobs.

5) Body image fetishism: Are you implying that men too aren't bombarded with ads displaying fit men? Men don't go through obsessive diets like women or obsessive regimens? Have you not heard of bigorexia aka Muscle Dysmorphia?


So fist":2uu9k5j0 said:
It was viewed that way before their ever was a feminist. How is it their fault?

Lots of things were viewed in a certain way before there ever was a feminist but those things got changed; This one didn't.

They never put an end to it and still don't put an end to it since it benefits them too greatly; Also Andrea Dworkin I believe was the woman who made the statement of men unable to be raped and although she was a radicalist and a psycho who also thought the pinnacle of femininity is lesbianism she also rehashed this apparent statute which could have been challenged during her time on Earth but never was.
 

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To be honest with you Devy, I'm surprised
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Seriously though I'm not surprised I just wish it wouldn't happen as frequently.
 
LOL are you really just making up statistics to support your retarded viewpoint that women are oppressing you?

1) Equal wages already exist lol; The gender wage gap is a byproduct of women taking more sick days, maternity leave, getting pregnant, and occupying lower paid job positions for more flexible lifestyles. On paper it looks like men are being paid more than women but in actuality it's, for example, miners get paid more than secretaries.

Statistics prove me wrong but based on my myopic world view that most women are secretary's because it's such a glamorous high class job to women and most men are miners because it's so high paying and dirty...You really don't know how much miners are paid, do you? This is based on nothing than pure conjecture that involves everything you don't like about some girl.

70% of child abuse being committed by mothers,

I can't find anything remotely unbiased that shows an official view of such a statistic but I would bet that it leans towards women and is easily explained by the fact that their are way more single mom household's than single dad household by a ratio of at least 4 to 1. Simply put being a single parent ups the likelihood of being singled out by an agency as an abusive household needing their assistance than two parents collaborating to sweep it under the rug. The only real gender bias here is deadbeat dads being deadbeats.

65% of child murder being committed by women

Not in the US.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/wo.pdf
Between 1976 and 1997 parents and stepparents murdered nearly 11,000 children. Mothers and stepmothers committed about half
of these child murders. Sons and stepsons accounted for 52% of those killed by mothers and 57% of those killed by fathers. Mothers were responsible for a higher share of children killed during infancy while fathers were more likely to have been responsible for themurders of children age 8 or older.

Men kill more older, women kill more younger. The younger likely more due to infant deaths from post partum dementia and shaken baby syndrome. On the difference generally equal opportunity killers.

85% of child custody being won by men

On what planet? Certainly not in America.
http://www.divorcepeers.com/stats18.htm

Some things to get out of that link:
Only 4% of custody arrangements are contentious enough to go to trial
of those that go to trial 44% end up in mother sole custody while 45% end up in some kind of shared custody.

4) Equity in Employment: Female cops are never backed up by other female cops nor do many females make it into basic training in the military and I never see female garbage workers because most women don't want to work low-class jobs.

1. Yes they are, and yes they do, and walk into a dunkin donuts or mc'd's and tell me which is the dominant gender (cause in most experiences it will be women).
2. You are retarded, and you seem to project most things you didn't like about some girl onto women or feminism in general.
3. Stop stating things as facts when you have no fucking clue other than you read it on some dude's y hate the feminists blog.

Given that these were likely unsourced ramblings from some dude's blog who likes bitch about feminazi's femicockblocking him you should be embarrassed for trying to include them in an attempt at intellectual debate. This is really sad.

They never put an end to it and still don't put an end to it since it benefits them too greatly

Yes it's the cornerstone of feminazi masterdom. Thank you for connecting the dots for the rest of us. Feminists want to rape the male childrens so they can one day capture their essence and rule everything. And they would've gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids.

Anyway you suck at debate. And it ain't the ladies' fault.
 
It's okay we understand if you have nothing to say.

At least you had the dignity to not further embarass yourself by trying to justify your bullshit statistics after being called out on them. You got that going for you.
 
dadevvtsvre":218e3fze said:
everybody in this thread keeps saying that most feminists are extremists and are driving people away from the movement but i don't think the extremists are anything other than a minority

in all the time i've spend (admittedly, not a whole lot) learning about social equality and participating in feminist movements, i don't think i've met more than a handful of women who would describe themselves as self-professed "man-haters".
I agree the crazies are the minority, but unfortunately they're an extremely vocal minority, so they taint the entire movement to the point where reasonable people don't want to call themselves feminists. Also, if you've ever been on tumblr, there are plenty of bloggers legitimately advocating genocide against males and other mindboggling things.

Sauk":218e3fze said:
To be honest with you Devy, I'm surprised
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Seriously though I'm not surprised I just wish it wouldn't happen as frequently.
To be fair, you were the one who brought the subject up. I can split the feminism stuff into a separate thread if you like, though.

I didn't really want this to blow up into a big debate, but I guess that ship has already sailed. I also question your statistics, since I've heard plenty of contradictory ones, but it's very hard to find accurate statistics about this sort of thing that aren't slanted by some interest group. Also, are you seriously contending that men's representation in media is anywhere near bad as women's?

Sauk, I think the problem people have with you isn't that you care about men's rights but rather that you seem to view everything in terms of some war between men and women. Your posts are almost entirely about how men are suffering compared to women or how women's efforts are hurting men. Maybe you're just not presenting yourself well, but your posts read like "help women are oppressing me" or "women have it so much better than men" rather than "this is a problem, how do we solve it?" You come off as totally uninterested in and unsympathetic towards women's problems and women in general. It's fine to have a cause you're personally invested in and champion in particular, but not when you act like that and seem to criticize other people for doing the same thing for a different cause.
 
Sauk, I gotta ask: do you really think women have zero problems and there is no longer any kind of sexism towards women, or do you just come off as thinking that? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but you kinda give that impression.
 
Yeah it is, but don't lock the thread. I want to try to show Sauk what it is about him that annoys everyone so maybe he'll finally get it. Also, I deleted UWE's post on grounds of it being dumb and pointless.
 

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Perihelion":2uxpp5ur said:
Sauk, I think the problem people have with you isn't that you care about men's rights but rather that you seem to view everything in terms of some war between men and women. Your posts are almost entirely about how men are suffering compared to women or how women's efforts are hurting men. Maybe you're just not presenting yourself well, but your posts read like "help women are oppressing me" or "women have it so much better than men" rather than "this is a problem, how do we solve it?" You come off as totally uninterested in and unsympathetic towards women's problems and women in general. It's fine to have a cause you're personally invested in and champion in particular, but not when you act like that and seem to criticize other people for doing the same thing for a different cause.

I'll stand up for Sauk again. Every time I've looked at these threads, I see Sauk talking about instances in which women were given the legal upper hand for no other reason than their gender. I don't see women hating, nor do I believe Sauk is necessarily inclined to have ill will towards women's rights movements in general, nor does he believe that women have better circumstances every time.

Soph, bro, I'm sorry, but fuck right off here. I can't speak for whether statistics are correct or not, but you're being an asshole for no reason.
 
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