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Sira

What should the new game title be?

  • Sira: When Angels Fall

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Sira: The angel`s cry

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Sira

    Votes: 8 72.7%
  • other(post a good suggestion in thread)

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • Total voters
    11
It's a bit better, but still lacking in many details, such as why exactly must it be Sareo and Basil that must end the war. Also, I suggest using quotation marks, it makes it easier to differentiate what people say and what is part of the story.
And I think you should change the name of the city from "Angel City" to something else. Angel City just sounds kinda bad.
I think a bit more revamping should be done on the story, such as what Moogle Sprite suggested, and it will be a ton better.
Godspeed, Maneo, godspeed.  :lol:
 

Spoo

Sponsor

People, be sarcastic if you like, but don't outright SPAM.

This is a very good foundation for a project, I'll admit.  It certainly has it's faults, but hey, we all made crappy Rpg maker games at some point. 

The point:  Good start.  Keep it up, ignore the idiotic posts, and you'll be on your way to success!
 
@maneo &co: I just wanted to say, I'm not sure why I said some much stupid shit. I read form page 1 to my post actually, and just got so frustrated with all the bickering and idiocy that I lost my cool. So, I'm sorry. You do have a good foundation, but most of the ideas in this thread are valid and should be taken into major consideration (good or bad.) There's no point putting a years work into something, planning on going commercial, and ignoring what your audience wants. If someone on here says they don't like something, it's a safe bet to assume a mojority of your gamers won't.

@Moogle Sprite: When was it said it took place in 1958? Ya gotta remember, most RPGs are not set in modern earth if earth at all, usually in alter paths anyways, and not necessarily in relation to 2008 of our time, your other points are dead on though.

@Akinari: your fueling the "everything your doing is fine as long as you like it" mentality. Sure the story is a good foundation, and can go places. but the point of posting here to get critiqued to showcase work so far. It's a place to get your game out there, recruit, and critique. Ignoring constructive criticism is just plain. Sorry if this wasn't what your implying, but there seems to be a constant war in this thread regarding whether being supportive or being negative is better, both are bad. Too supportive and you lose the reason why this forum exists, too negative and people get upset and give up or in this case, seem to ignore everything.


OK. Don't get mad but I'm going to put some important questions and aspects into this new plot synopsis.

Sira: Land of power, intro scene:
Ok this is what's going to play at new game I assume

50 years ago...an atrocity was done against the angels..
And humanity...must pay...with...blood.
Mixed tense; past, present, and future that is. Who did it? I'll assume the humans.

One day, in the year of 1200 ad, Sareo and Basil leaves Rimea, Capital of Sira,
in the bright morning light.
If this is an alternate earth and timeline, maybe consider using a different time representation. Make up a different thign like AD

The brown garments that Sareo is wearing, is a mark of the
soldier`s rank, a rank only the finest of the Rimea guard may receive.
Sareo is proud to wear them, but it feels like something´s missing in his life...
Worried that Basil might notice a bit of jealousy, he quickly hides his feeling,
and looks intently at Basil, who is his oldest friend.
This implies that Sareo is jelaous of Basil, Why?

Basil suddenly looks curiously at Sareo´s mischevious face. He senses something in Sareo´s eyes,
almost if he could sense Sareo´s inner ambitions and dreams.
-You´re gonna get a cold if you stop and dream like that, my young knight!
Sareo laughs at this, and makes a joking strike move towards Basil, who  jumps away, effortlessly.
-Too slow, little one, Basil says.
-Still the best, ain`t you Basil?
-Always, says Basil, joking, with a smile on his face.
Basil pats Sareo hard on the back, and they continue their journey.
Sareo wishes that he had half the strength that he can sense in Basil´s hand.
What a warrior! Sareo thinks, wishing he could be like that.
Sareo always wanted to be a dragoon; this was what Sareo´s jealousy was about. But, instead he became the most skilled knight in Rimea. But he still dreams of becoming a dragoon one day, whatever the cost.
So dragoon is a higher rank than knight? One only attained through certain criteria I'm guessing. The vibe from paragraph 1 to 2 shifts entirely. Sareo is young man who's attained one of the highest ranks in Sira's knighthood, but feels like it's not enough, to he's michiveous youth who pales in comparison to older, or rather MUCH older (from his dialogue), best friend. Odd shift.

Their journey, that will lead them Angel City, an 3000-year old city.
This is where the noble Angels of angel magic is dwelling, in the mist of what is told and untold
in the passages of time.
No offense, but the grammar errors in this line alone makes it seem like it was written by a dyslexic 12 year old with the internet and dictionary.com. Oh, and past tense switch again to future to present.

Sareo and his friend has come here, to form a peace treaty, to end the long war between humans
and angels. But the angels will betray them, and a war will break out...
Umm... present tense, and why? Who sent them? Oh jeeze, switch back to future tense, and give away what seems to be a gigantic piece of infortmation yet to come.

What will this war lead to?
Good question. Don't ask us. Now it seems like the pre-face of a game manuscript, as oppose to an opening sequence.

More interestly written, atleast to me anyhow, would be a synopsis of the atmosphere and world. The opening sequence switches between a synopsis (which makes for a good opening sometimes) to thrusting you into meeting the main character and learning about them, also good, but not mixed. Very hard to do, and it's a better idea to show the preface first, then control the character, OR thrust the player into something right off the bat, and learn things as you go.

But that's just my 2 cents.
 

moog

Sponsor

Well uh it said FIFTY YEARS AGO and he didnt say an exact date so I am only to assume he meant 1958. (Yeah, its called sarcasm because I was making a point that he didnt include any info on his time period that well.)
 
midir4000":2qgqehm7 said:
@maneo &co: I just wanted to say, I'm not sure why I said some much stupid shit. I read form page 1 to my post actually, and just got so frustrated with all the bickering and idiocy that I lost my cool. So, I'm sorry. You do have a good foundation, but most of the ideas in this thread are valid and should be taken into major consideration (good or bad.) There's no point putting a years work into something, planning on going commercial, and ignoring what your audience wants. If someone on here says they don't like something, it's a safe bet to assume a mojority of your gamers won't.

@Moogle Sprite: When was it said it took place in 1958? Ya gotta remember, most RPGs are not set in modern earth if earth at all, usually in alter paths anyways, and not necessarily in relation to 2008 of our time, your other points are dead on though.

@Akinari: your fueling the "everything your doing is fine as long as you like it" mentality. Sure the story is a good foundation, and can go places. but the point of posting here to get critiqued to showcase work so far. It's a place to get your game out there, recruit, and critique. Ignoring constructive criticism is just plain. Sorry if this wasn't what your implying, but there seems to be a constant war in this thread regarding whether being supportive or being negative is better, both are bad. Too supportive and you lose the reason why this forum exists, too negative and people get upset and give up or in this case, seem to ignore everything.


OK. Don't get mad but I'm going to put some important questions and aspects into this new plot synopsis.

Sira: Land of power, intro scene:
Ok this is what's going to play at new game I assume

50 years ago...an atrocity was done against the angels..
And humanity...must pay...with...blood.
Mixed tense; past, present, and future that is. Who did it? I'll assume the humans.

One day, in the year of 1200 ad, Sareo and Basil leaves Rimea, Capital of Sira,
in the bright morning light.
If this is an alternate earth and timeline, maybe consider using a different time representation. Make up a different thign like AD

The brown garments that Sareo is wearing, is a mark of the
soldier`s rank, a rank only the finest of the Rimea guard may receive.
Sareo is proud to wear them, but it feels like something´s missing in his life...
Worried that Basil might notice a bit of jealousy, he quickly hides his feeling,
and looks intently at Basil, who is his oldest friend.
This implies that Sareo is jelaous of Basil, Why?

Basil suddenly looks curiously at Sareo´s mischevious face. He senses something in Sareo´s eyes,
almost if he could sense Sareo´s inner ambitions and dreams.
-You´re gonna get a cold if you stop and dream like that, my young knight!
Sareo laughs at this, and makes a joking strike move towards Basil, who  jumps away, effortlessly.
-Too slow, little one, Basil says.
-Still the best, ain`t you Basil?
-Always, says Basil, joking, with a smile on his face.
Basil pats Sareo hard on the back, and they continue their journey.
Sareo wishes that he had half the strength that he can sense in Basil´s hand.
What a warrior! Sareo thinks, wishing he could be like that.
Sareo always wanted to be a dragoon; this was what Sareo´s jealousy was about. But, instead he became the most skilled knight in Rimea. But he still dreams of becoming a dragoon one day, whatever the cost.
So dragoon is a higher rank than knight? One only attained through certain criteria I'm guessing. The vibe from paragraph 1 to 2 shifts entirely. Sareo is young man who's attained one of the highest ranks in Sira's knighthood, but feels like it's not enough, to he's michiveous youth who pales in comparison to older, or rather MUCH older (from his dialogue), best friend. Odd shift.

Their journey, that will lead them Angel City, an 3000-year old city.
This is where the noble Angels of angel magic is dwelling, in the mist of what is told and untold
in the passages of time.
No offense, but the grammar errors in this line alone makes it seem like it was written by a dyslexic 12 year old with the internet and dictionary.com. Oh, and past tense switch again to future to present.

Sareo and his friend has come here, to form a peace treaty, to end the long war between humans
and angels. But the angels will betray them, and a war will break out...
Umm... present tense, and why? Who sent them? Oh jeeze, switch back to future tense, and give away what seems to be a gigantic piece of infortmation yet to come.

What will this war lead to?
Good question. Don't ask us. Now it seems like the pre-face of a game manuscript, as oppose to an opening sequence.

More interestly written, atleast to me anyhow, would be a synopsis of the atmosphere and world. The opening sequence switches between a synopsis (which makes for a good opening sometimes) to thrusting you into meeting the main character and learning about them, also good, but not mixed. Very hard to do, and it's a better idea to show the preface first, then control the character, OR thrust the player into something right off the bat, and learn things as you go.

But that's just my 2 cents.

You make a very good point here. I'm glad that at least some of the people who post in this thread are actually trying to help instead of just saying stuff like, "This is stupid. Fix it." You talk about what you don't like and then back it up. Although I didn't care for your post earlier.

Akinari":2qgqehm7 said:
People, be sarcastic if you like, but don't outright SPAM.

This is a very good foundation for a project, I'll admit.  It certainly has it's faults, but hey, we all made crappy Rpg maker games at some point. 

The point:  Good start.  Keep it up, ignore the idiotic posts, and you'll be on your way to success!

This is more of SPAM compared to what the others are posting. They are actually trying to help the project. You are not helping by saying, 'good job! you're on your way. There are problems though, but good job anyways!' .That makes sense! Let's tell him he's doing a good job, make a small point of some major errors (Without saying what..), but still applaud him for effort. We don't need the crud of people just saying you have an error but saying what it is. midir4000 did it in an earlier post. He said that he spotted some errors in the kitchen map, yet he didn't say what. Can we improve the map on that? Your post is just the same. Help out by telling us what is wrong, not just saying that something in your work is wrong. if you don't try to help us, then you are spamming this thread. If you are not going to help, get out of this thread. We don't want you here.
 

moog

Sponsor

This is more of SPAM compared to what the others are posting. They are actually trying to help the project. You are not helping by saying, 'good job! you're on your way. There are problems though, but good job anyways!' .That makes sense! Let's tell him he's doing a good job, make a small point of some major errors (Without saying what..), but still applaud him for effort. We don't need the crud of people just saying you have an error but saying what it is. midir4000 did it in an earlier post. He said that he spotted some errors in the kitchen map, yet he didn't say what. Can we improve the map on that? Your post is just the same. Help out by telling us what is wrong, not just saying that something in your work is wrong. if you don't try to help us, then you are spamming this thread. If you are not going to help, get out of this thread. We don't want you here.

I think this is the most intelligent post I have seen on this thread.

He's absoultely right. If you are going to say "Dont SPAM kthanxbai" and then act all arrogant then its really not a contribution to the project. Ironically you just contradicted yourself Akinari!
 

Maneo

Sponsor

The humans did the "awful thing" to the angels in the year of 1150.
What THAT thing is, will be told in the intro, or later in the game.

1150 is 50 years before 1200, that´s how I meant.

Story has been edited slightly in the first post.

Update:
-Magicant has just joined the project as a paid mapper, and Blackarts is remaking the Sareo artwork now.
-James Thorusen has joined the team. He made the character bios for the new characters Balmung and Richard.

Update:

To do list:
Compose soundtrack
Remake the demo maps(Magicant)
Make 4 tower areas + more maps(Magicant)
4 Spritesheets from Chains of fate(will also do more stuff for the project)
Updated poster from Lightningstrike
Sareo Artwork from Blackarts.

Intro, Xgamesfreakx

Work on the story, Maneo & Manetheren.

+more.
 
"that thing" sounds pathetically vague. I think you should color up the text with vibrant words, like maybe..

50 years... 50 years have passed since the atrocity that befell the angels. The atrocity of mankind... and now. Now it is time for man to repent for their misdeeds, with their blood.

And a more colorful desciption of Sareo...

1200 AD...Early morning on a roadside outside of Rimea, Capital of Sira.

Sareo and Basil, knights of the highest caliber. Best of the best, and best of friends, rest their legs. Dressed in his knightly attire, fashioned in that brown armor, a mark of Rimea's Gaurds' elite knight, is young Sareo staring at Basil, lost in thought.

I dunno. Just something I thought up on the spot. If you're going to follow the theme of 'old world', text should follow this theme of old english and/or big words. Clearly Basil speaks in a proper tone, as he should, being a high ranking knight for a kingdom.
 

Maneo

Sponsor

Thanks. It´s in the text now.

Midir4000:
Can you rewrite the whole intro, and post it here in the old style?
I´m Swedish, so I need someone english to rewrite it.
 

Maneo

Sponsor

Because this is a brand new update, and shows a change of quality in the project.
If that doesn´t count as good enough reason to bump, sorry.
 
If it was an update, then why didn't you specify what was updated, instead of just saying 'bump'?

And anyway, bumping, even for updates, so soon after your last post, is frowned upon.
 
Right now I am editing a "castle stage" in the game. Just to improve the diversity in the game.

I am pleased that the thread is in a more positive atmosphere now =)
 
Bumbing your own thread is allowed, even in short time spans. Although, maneo could just have easily saved that info for a larger update, instead of posting small updates.

Maneo, I could rewrite the intro but What do you want it to say, I don't know the things you know, and some things in there are better off not written at all, instead of reworded. If I rewrite it, it will be a rough prologue of what I get form your intro, so it may not be accurate or what your going for. If theres other info you think I should know before rewriting that might help, just pm me. I'll rewrite it though.
 
YOU DON'T NEED TO KEEP REPEATING THIS, HE OBVIOUSLY GETS IT.

Okay, haven't been here in a while, it's definetely better, and the plot base is a lot better, but it should still be worked on, name wise too. Like someone said before me, Angel City? You really should think of something better than that, and Angel Magic?
Sareo looks nice but... Not really main character-ish.
What are the marks on his face? Skars? Tribal Marks? You have to base your characters looks on his origin, whether it's the town he's from, or the part of the world he lives in.
 

Maneo

Sponsor

I named it Angel Square. What do you think?

More ideas: Angel Hall, Angel walk, Alina.

The tribal marks stays right now, since the artwork looks good.
If it is removed, it will be later on.
It doesn´t have to be tied to his origin, since it could be a face painting/tattoo,
that he got because he wanted to have one.

There could be many reasons why he has those tribal marks.
People are influenced by different cultures every day, so the marks doesn´t have to be tied to
his origin. Sareo might have gotten a tattoo, after meeting people similar tattoos in the area around the city Rimea.


They were added by Blackarts. I had only small marks in Sareo´s face, and he chose to turn those marks into this.


Note: I listen to criticism now.
Please give feedback, but I might not be able to put in all changes you request.
 
Oh I'm not saying that's not possible, I'm just saying, usually in games, they have reasons for those things to add depth to the character.
You know, I could come up with names for towns/people in this game, may I?
 

Maneo

Sponsor

Be my guest.

Post it here, and I´ll look at it later.
I´ll see what I can use, because we have a lot of towns already.
But make up some names and towns, please.

(You can make up backstory/draw 3 more playable characters too, if you want.
I already have 7-8 of them, but I would like those just in case)
 

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