Sira
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Let's use this analogy... I am going to buy you a new TV as a gift for your dedication to a business I own, as a friend this is a favor from me. But I or someone very close to me gets in a wreck that day I am out to buy you the TV. Suddenly I need to use the extra money on something more important than your TV. Would you get mad at me for using that money to save a life of someone close to me or my self if it happened to be me?
I mean I don't have to get you it at all, it was my own free will, i never signed a contract saying I HAVE to do this, period. When someone gives out a free resource and says that certain people can't use it even after giving it out on their own free will, because they made it, it is still in the creators right to decide this. If a person of a team backed out of the team and asked to not use his/her material, it would be a damper on the plans, but you would have to move on, and find a new way to fill the lost material. Now if money was involved, and you didn't set up a minor contract, since you are investing money to this persons material, then they decide to quit, because you made an arrangement and gave them money, you now own exclusive rights to his material because you equally invested your own efforts into his work. When working for free you can't do that unless you specifically ask the creator before hand to keep the material for your game only unless further notice.
Anyways, I'm not gonna touch this thread any more, clean up your story, your attitude, and show some good progress and i'll pop back in to comment.
~Axerax
MukanshinBlack
Member
Axerax":22hyzlp6 said:
Very strange analogy Axerax. But in any case, I know what you and Calibre was talking about: being nice. It's kind of like a script which is at first free to use if credited. If the guy who wrote it later decides that he doesn't want anyone to use it in any game for whatever reason, because he at first let anyone use it it wouldn't be wrong to keep it and still use it, since when you first recieved it he told you it was fine. Whether you want to be nice or not is really what it's about. I'm thinking legalities over kindness though. In any case, I'd give you the TV back Axerax. ^_^
I must agree that this thread generally needs less responses about stupid little things but I'm trying to be progressive here.
No I don't feel like 2 months is a bit long at all. Let me get all anecdotal for a second.
When I first moved into this community I worked on my game for six months before making a single post. When I finally did I had a decent game to show presented nicely and as a result had a number of people approach me to work on that game. I'm talking highly skilled people. That's not to say the game didn't change course after those six months. It did dramatically with the help and guidance of the people here.
I still disagree with you Mukashin despite how petty of a debate it is however you have narrowed it down to the two correct things legalities and community etiquette.
The simple fact is copyright comes into place to allow an original creator not to have their work duplicated. If you used them in a game you'd be duplicating them and hence copying them against the copyright holders will. I very much doubt that whoever we are talking about here signed a contract passing that copyright ownership over to you / the project.
Perhaps more importantly, not only will you lose the faith of that member, poor etiquette spreads pretty easily within communities and respect is more important than most things when it comes to community based activities.
On a note. The moderators don't lock threads on request, they do if they feel that's the course of action needed. I'd just let the thread die.
Finally, I've observed this thread for quite a while and seen countless excuses of why this team CAN'T take criticism and have an absolutely appalling attitudes towards people that have taken time out to either further the project or provide a critique or advice for the creators. Perhaps people would have been more forgiving but Mane o especially has hyped this game to be something it's not. I'm sorry if people don't like the truth but I have seen nothing from this game that is better than any other sub-par project out there.
Keywords to ponder on:
-Etiquette
-Modesty
-Gratitude
-Progressiveness
...and just as a bit of humble pie which I think is pretty much needed here... Do you guys realise how many far superior projects are most likely being made right now by members of this forum? The only thing is, they haven't created premature threads raving about it, they'll keep it under wraps until it's a long way into development.
Think of it this way, it's like business... it's best to get into bed with everyone... keep everyone happy, right?
So I'll try to keep out this thread now too, unless someone reacts badly to my very helpful and insightful post in which case I'll likely retaliate because that's just how I am.
No I don't feel like 2 months is a bit long at all. Let me get all anecdotal for a second.
When I first moved into this community I worked on my game for six months before making a single post. When I finally did I had a decent game to show presented nicely and as a result had a number of people approach me to work on that game. I'm talking highly skilled people. That's not to say the game didn't change course after those six months. It did dramatically with the help and guidance of the people here.
I still disagree with you Mukashin despite how petty of a debate it is however you have narrowed it down to the two correct things legalities and community etiquette.
The simple fact is copyright comes into place to allow an original creator not to have their work duplicated. If you used them in a game you'd be duplicating them and hence copying them against the copyright holders will. I very much doubt that whoever we are talking about here signed a contract passing that copyright ownership over to you / the project.
Perhaps more importantly, not only will you lose the faith of that member, poor etiquette spreads pretty easily within communities and respect is more important than most things when it comes to community based activities.
On a note. The moderators don't lock threads on request, they do if they feel that's the course of action needed. I'd just let the thread die.
Finally, I've observed this thread for quite a while and seen countless excuses of why this team CAN'T take criticism and have an absolutely appalling attitudes towards people that have taken time out to either further the project or provide a critique or advice for the creators. Perhaps people would have been more forgiving but Mane o especially has hyped this game to be something it's not. I'm sorry if people don't like the truth but I have seen nothing from this game that is better than any other sub-par project out there.
Keywords to ponder on:
-Etiquette
-Modesty
-Gratitude
-Progressiveness
...and just as a bit of humble pie which I think is pretty much needed here... Do you guys realise how many far superior projects are most likely being made right now by members of this forum? The only thing is, they haven't created premature threads raving about it, they'll keep it under wraps until it's a long way into development.
Think of it this way, it's like business... it's best to get into bed with everyone... keep everyone happy, right?
So I'll try to keep out this thread now too, unless someone reacts badly to my very helpful and insightful post in which case I'll likely retaliate because that's just how I am.
Midir4000:
I should have listened to you better.
It´s true I hired you.
But I feel that your ideas isn´t right for our story.
Sorry for being rude.
Remember, Midir was the one flaming the topic to begin with,
and I let him go, because I couldn´t work with him.
/
People have been bullying newcomers all spring I´ve been here, and I just made
it a point to defend myself to make sure that people wouldn´t bully newcomers anymore!
I wanted the newcomers to be treated better.
I was also a little offended by the harsh criticism, but that´s my problem.
http://rmxp.org/forums/index.php?topic=44555.0
Just check Moogle sprites first comments here for example.
I´m not blaming Moogle sprite, this is an example.
If this is an exception, my bad.
From now on, I will stop making a point like that.
/
Midir, I posted your text to you in a post before that, but I had to send it
again because you asked for it anyway.
I´m not rude. I´m a nice guy if you knew me.
I should have listened to you better.
It´s true I hired you.
But I feel that your ideas isn´t right for our story.
Sorry for being rude.
Remember, Midir was the one flaming the topic to begin with,
and I let him go, because I couldn´t work with him.
/
People have been bullying newcomers all spring I´ve been here, and I just made
it a point to defend myself to make sure that people wouldn´t bully newcomers anymore!
I wanted the newcomers to be treated better.
I was also a little offended by the harsh criticism, but that´s my problem.
http://rmxp.org/forums/index.php?topic=44555.0
Just check Moogle sprites first comments here for example.
I´m not blaming Moogle sprite, this is an example.
If this is an exception, my bad.
From now on, I will stop making a point like that.
/
Midir, I posted your text to you in a post before that, but I had to send it
again because you asked for it anyway.
I´m not rude. I´m a nice guy if you knew me.
Youre absolutley right. But I wasnt flaming at all. That story was shit, and I called him out. The comments made after came from that dumb fuck Airose opening his mouth. If something is bad, im gonna say its bad.
But your right, thats a good example and I have every right to be blamed, and JD warned me for it. Even here I almost got warned for talking smack. But it seems now that you are really working hard on this so I stopped talking shit about this and started giving feedback to you.
Either way, just take everything I say with a grain of salt, cause im an asshole. If I talk smack its nothing personal.
If someone says something you dont like (unless they are trying to help), ignore it or disagree and explain why you dont see eye to eye, not just "Well Im ignoring these comments".
Also, I dont bully newcomers; I bully stupid fucks who dont read the rules. I dont care if you are 11 or 12. You arent illiterate.
But your right, thats a good example and I have every right to be blamed, and JD warned me for it. Even here I almost got warned for talking smack. But it seems now that you are really working hard on this so I stopped talking shit about this and started giving feedback to you.
Either way, just take everything I say with a grain of salt, cause im an asshole. If I talk smack its nothing personal.
If someone says something you dont like (unless they are trying to help), ignore it or disagree and explain why you dont see eye to eye, not just "Well Im ignoring these comments".
Also, I dont bully newcomers; I bully stupid fucks who dont read the rules. I dont care if you are 11 or 12. You arent illiterate.
Moogle sprite: Thanks for someone finally listening to me.
As I said, I´m a nice guy, and I will try to be more humble from now on.
I have tourette and asperger syndrome, and that forces me to be this compulsive way.
Stop bashing me, and respect me for who I am.
Just be slightly understanding to me, and this will be a nicer experience for me.
I´m trying to listen to feedback.
But I can´t do anything about my disability, so stop blaming me for things I can´t do anything about.
Be nicer, please.
As I said, I´m a nice guy, and I will try to be more humble from now on.
I have tourette and asperger syndrome, and that forces me to be this compulsive way.
Stop bashing me, and respect me for who I am.
Just be slightly understanding to me, and this will be a nicer experience for me.
I´m trying to listen to feedback.
But I can´t do anything about my disability, so stop blaming me for things I can´t do anything about.
Be nicer, please.
Maneo, try posting the work as it comes, not little bits of it. If its a good WIP people will give you great feedback instead of derailing the thread. I think the main reason that everyone is on your ass is because there really isnt that much to show.
I dont even care about the story. It could be great, it can be terrible. I just want to see some work. New screenies, more sprites, some music from the game, idk.
Even ask people around the forum for ideas, (good ones, not just "pick a name" poll) and they will give you good feedback.
About the be nicer part, thats a stretch because people will always talk mess and criticize anything that moves. You just have to deal. This isnt a doctors office, people arent going to be nice to you. Not trying to be a dick, but thats reality. This is the internet.
I dont even care about the story. It could be great, it can be terrible. I just want to see some work. New screenies, more sprites, some music from the game, idk.
Even ask people around the forum for ideas, (good ones, not just "pick a name" poll) and they will give you good feedback.
About the be nicer part, thats a stretch because people will always talk mess and criticize anything that moves. You just have to deal. This isnt a doctors office, people arent going to be nice to you. Not trying to be a dick, but thats reality. This is the internet.
@maneo: I flamed this project some 3-4 pages ago because I was upset with this getting so much publicity just from your team reacting badly to criticism. This community and no community has no obligation to treat "newcomers" with respect. That is something you earn from your peers. As an adult, everyone should realize that there are going to be different views and opinions, and people who just don't like people for their own reasons. Also, as an adult, you should have learned to accept that.
I'm a newcomer to this community, and have been a part of others, so it's no surprise to me to see people react so strangely. It's not exactly always easy to understand someone's intentions through a post, but that's where impulsive people fail. It's best to reread a post as many times as it takes as slow as it takes, to figure out whats being implied the first time. Not reacting brashly.
I had every intention to continue to help with your project. I submitted a few ideas, and reacted so harshly, with a stern I don't need your help, I decided it would be more difficult to work with you than necessary. A very important trait to have here, especially if you want to lead a team, is patience. Just because you didn't see my initial ideas fitting with your story, doesn't mean those were all I had. There's also many, many, many questions about the continuity and integrity of your story that still needed answered, and I would very much like to see those cleared up. Whether you discussed those with your team and have looked into them or not, you never even mentioned, or thanked me for pointing out ways to improve.
Moogle Sprites attitude is not uncommon, infact I'M very blunt in my opinions, like we've said, you have to take these things with a grain of salt, but not totally dismiss them.
Mental disorder or not, jumping to post on first impulse is never a good idea.
I'm a newcomer to this community, and have been a part of others, so it's no surprise to me to see people react so strangely. It's not exactly always easy to understand someone's intentions through a post, but that's where impulsive people fail. It's best to reread a post as many times as it takes as slow as it takes, to figure out whats being implied the first time. Not reacting brashly.
I had every intention to continue to help with your project. I submitted a few ideas, and reacted so harshly, with a stern I don't need your help, I decided it would be more difficult to work with you than necessary. A very important trait to have here, especially if you want to lead a team, is patience. Just because you didn't see my initial ideas fitting with your story, doesn't mean those were all I had. There's also many, many, many questions about the continuity and integrity of your story that still needed answered, and I would very much like to see those cleared up. Whether you discussed those with your team and have looked into them or not, you never even mentioned, or thanked me for pointing out ways to improve.
Moogle Sprites attitude is not uncommon, infact I'M very blunt in my opinions, like we've said, you have to take these things with a grain of salt, but not totally dismiss them.
Mental disorder or not, jumping to post on first impulse is never a good idea.
MukanshinBlack
Member
Calibre":1ps5nspd said:
I'm tired of the back and forth, so this will also be my last post for a while...
I know what you mean, that two months wouldn't be that long to go on a hiatus. I just don't like to count days into the unknown... I could die before two months passed. But anyways, Maneo updates this alot because he likes the feedback both positive and negitive, preferring the positive.
Don't really got much else to say, but... yeah...
@midir4000: I think I said this before, but Maneo was wanting what he had rewritten with some things added. He didn't want someone to change the story completely. So... I think I'm done for now.
Maneo":26hozi7t said:
I have autism too, but it's impossible to relate to how severely you have it as it varies. Eh.
I agree with Moogle,I'm not going going to post until something interesting happens. Don't update like every single day. I'm sick of seeing this thread as the top thread in Project Discussion.
sharksweetheart
Sponsor
I have Aspergers too and you don't see me wigging out at every less than positive post and turning my thread into a flame fest. It's stuff like this that makes the whole disorder look like a joke. :/
dadevvtsvre
Sponsor
This question is sort of unrelated to the game itself, but do you pronounce Sira as See-ra, or S-eye-ra? Just kinda curious.
