Sira

[Maneo]

Midir4000: Ok FFXI is in the series then. But it is different from the others, because it´s an online game.

At least I scrapped the subtitle, and call it just Sira. That´s better, right?

 

[midir4000]

I actually played ffxi for 4 years(found the comment abotu those who play offensive, but true, considering it actually takes LOTS of input to get a much more rewarding because of it, output.), and I've played every FF ever made, I find that Dragon Quest, Eternal Sonata, Xenogears, Star Ocean, Grandia, etc., all have their own flavor's of game. Whereas Every canon FF seems to follow their unique flavor of game, in many aspects, you can't just label it an RPG and say they don't do anything differently that RPG's already don't.

Still Maneo, I find that Sira (which I've never figured out, is it Seer-ah or Sigh-ra) really doesn't describe the game at all, other than where it's located. It's a good placeholder for now though. Like mentioned before, you can't really know what the game should be called til your finished with the story.

 

[Maneo]

It´s Sigh-ra.

 

[boon]

See-rah sounds cooler.

But that's my opinion.

 

[Maneo]

You can say it either way.
Both are good.

Update 21th May 08:

There is a new synopsis in the first post now.
Check it out.

 

[Axerax]

You can say it either way.
Both are good.

Update 21th May 08:

There is a new synopsis in the first post now.
Check it out.

Hehe I personally say it Sigh-rah, but thats me.

It is almost as amusing as listening to people say the name of my game.
I've heard it said Keye-lis, Keye-les, kah-e-lis (kah said like the caugh in caught), kay-les, and finally the correct way to say it, even though i don't care how people pronounce it, Kay-lis.

@the FF11 guy, I know how involved that game is, I absolutely loathe games where to get anything you have to grind extensively long tasks for hours on end to accomplish stuff. That was one reason I quit Star Wars Galaxies. There are better MMO's out there like World of Warcraft, Eve, DAoC, Everquest, Everquest 2, City of Heroes, and more. Wasn't trying to be offending, but I'm not going to waste my time with a game like that, what do I get out of playing a game for hours on end to get 1 thing, when I could have beat a game or even 2 games and felt some sort of accomplishment... Or another MMO with more depth than just grinding to get better. But hey, that's me, don't have to agree with me, if you love grinding and repeating the same tasks or similar tasks over and over again, by all means be my guest and do that, I could care less.

 

[MukanshinBlack]

And I've been calling it See-rah all this time... Oh well.

.... and from what I understand, expect very different quality than "Sira: Land of Power, I've never made a game before" caliber. It's got quite the publicity now and has been completely revamped....

As midir4000 said, by the time Sira is released, it'll be nothing like it was/is now.  The team is making progress, as many maps and sprites are near completion.  I am rewriting the story to be creative, full of twists and have its storyline evolve past what it starts as, similar to how Chrono Trigger's story developed from saving the girl to saving the world.  I'm not too far yet but in due time... 

 

[midir4000]

@axerax: I'vve played Wow and others too, didnt say i still played, theres more productive things out there. and I know firsthand how much grind there is to ffxi, and loathe it as well, but it was addicting. I don't recommend playing any mmo if your not in for the long hual.

@MukanshinBlack: thats exactly what i was trying to say. Although I think as a team you guys should speak with the people in this thread more, instead of blatantly following Maneo, I mean i know he's the team leader, but there are somethings he's being bullheaded about, I gave some completely acceptable story ideas to him, and he just said he wont use them. then turned around and said the ideas were now his and his team's ideas. Which is plagarism. I'd like to see this project not suck, as its come around quite a lot, but its still VERY cliche', VERY unorginal, with VERY little plot twists. It has about as much plot and plot twists as FF1.

 

[MukanshinBlack]

I don't know too much about copyright laws / plagiarism, but I know that after you submit (e-mail) your document or post it on a forum, it becomes property of the reciever unless the said document was copyrighted beforehand.
As for what you sent, I am trying to go along as much as I can with Maneo's idea.  I doubt I'll end up using your ideas, but if I plan to I'll personally talk to you about it.  Also since the story is still unfinished, FF1 has more plot and plot twists then Sira.  Only for now though.  :thumb:

 

[Maneo]

Your story idea about time jumping is clearly yours. I´ve never said otherwise.
Keep it.

Your 2 rewritten paragraphs were just a rewrite of my story.
Maybe a few new things here and there. But since you posted it here, it belongs to me now.

I just said those 2 rewritten paragraphs were mine, since you gave it to the project
when you posted it.

Those 2 rewritten paragraphs became mine, the moment you posted it here.

I have credited you, for the small things you did.




-If you didn´t want to give me the ideas, why did you post/send them to me?
I have scrapped your ideas, so you know.

When you contribute to a project, the ideas belong to the project, and you can be credited at
most.
Again: When you post/email something, it belongs to receiver(me).

Now please leave us alone.

 

[boon]

Your story idea about time jumping is clearly yours. I´ve never said otherwise.

Huh? That makes no sense whatsoever? If it's his story then yes, it's his. Way to point out the obvious?

Now please leave us alone.

Also, your rudeness gets ahead of you. YOU HIRED HIM. He isn't pestering you, you hired him.
We have a right to give you feedback, you don't need to be like that... people aren't flaming you.

 

[Axerax]

-If you didn´t want to give me the ideas, why did you post/send them to me?
I have scrapped your ideas, so you know.

When you contribute to a project, the ideas belong to the project, and you can be credited at
most.
Again: When you post/email something, it belongs to receiver(me).

Now please leave us alone.

You've got to be the rudest person I've ever met. He threw out ideas for you to play with, not steal or claim as your own. If someone told you to use a famous plot twist from FF6 action for action, or even word for word, and you use it, you're plagiarisng the copyright owners of FF6. However using a similar idea in different aspects and playing it out a different way is another thing.

As well the contributor has just as much of a right to revoke his service or assistance at his/her own will. Just cause I post a suggestion on how to fix something doesn't mean I expect them to use it or even claim it as their own, that is just a brash act. And if the contributor infact gives something then revokes it and you STILL use it and claim it as your own, you will be the one charged with stealing and held accountable for your actions. I think you seriously need to think about what you're claiming. Your project is not some sort of neo-nazi dictatorship where anything anyone makes is taken from them, used by the dictators, and labeled as their own work when obviously that isn't truth.

 

[MukanshinBlack]

@Boonzeet: .... Forgot what I was going to say.

@Axerax: So if a guy made sprites for a project, then a month later he doesn't want them to use it for the project, what rights do they have to make the team stop using them if there's no copyright?

@Everyone else: I think we're done with this...  Even if Maneo wants to, I won't steal this guys' idea. Enough with the drama.   >.>

 

[Triforce]

I actually played ffxi for 4 years(found the comment abotu those who play offensive, but true, considering it actually takes LOTS of input to get a much more rewarding because of it, output.), and I've played every FF ever made, I find that Dragon Quest, Eternal Sonata, Xenogears, Star Ocean, Grandia, etc., all have their own flavor's of game. Whereas Every canon FF seems to follow their unique flavor of game, in many aspects, you can't just label it an RPG and say they don't do anything differently that RPG's already don't.

Still Maneo, I find that Sira (which I've never figured out, is it Seer-ah or Sigh-ra) really doesn't describe the game at all, other than where it's located. It's a good placeholder for now though. Like mentioned before, you can't really know what the game should be called til your finished with the story.

Do you even know why FF is called Final Fantasy?
Exactly, it's called this because it was Square's last amount of resources for a game, the creator said; "I don't think I can pull off another action game, I'm better at telling a story", so he made an RPG, Ironically named 'Final Fantasy', because if it weren't a success, they would have gone bankrupt.
And who cares? Why call the series Fire Emblem? The actual Fire Emblem is rarely mentioned in the games, and it plays a different role every time.

Anyways...

@Maneo: Like I said before, I'll help you with the story if you really want a new revisor, Maneo.

 

[Calibre]

@Axerax: So if a guy made sprites for a project, then a month later he doesn't want them to use it for the project, what rights do they have to make the team stop using them if there's no copyright?

They've got every right to actually.  You don't need to copyright something through legal offices, that's a trademark.  A bit of creative work attains copyright on it's own.  That's besides the point though.  We are a community and if someone for whatever reason wants to withdraw work they've done they can.  This is of course hypothetical because is most cases people would leave a project under amicable circumstances.

Do you also not think it is coincidence that people are continually in this project moaning about the lead posters mannerisms?  If you guys were genuinely serious about this, you'd forget this thread and go away for at least a few months and post a new main post when things are clearand decided upon.  All this thread has been for some while is a long hype train.

 

[midir4000]

Do you even know why FF is called Final Fantasy?
Exactly, it's called this because it was Square's last amount of resources for a game, the creator said; "I don't think I can pull off another action game, I'm better at telling a story", so he made an RPG, Ironically named 'Final Fantasy', because if it weren't a success, they would have gone bankrupt.
And who cares? Why call the series Fire Emblem? The actual Fire Emblem is rarely mentioned in the games, and it plays a different role every time.

This is sort of a personal attack, that's just how I feel. And yes, I did know that about the first FF. The title of those series has nothing to do with the game so that last part doesn't even make sense. The title usually has no direct reference in a game, but more of an overall theme wrapped into 1-4 word titles. I was just saying, if even maneo is uncertain what the title should be at this point, he should wait til the end and have his team come up with a related titled. Also, he already has a writer, a civil conversation seemed to become Maneo rudely rejecting my ideas, I was politely asking if he would resend my a copy of the pm with my ideas he rejected because i didnt save it to my outbox and he refused saying they were his property, then when he finally did, he got rude like I was in the wrong. I let him keep my rewrite of part of the intro (see if you can tell which parts were my writing). I don't want hostility here.

@MukanshinBlack: From what I was told about in PMs of the game's overall plot, this game has less than FF1 and he's not willing to change it drastically because he wants a classic feel, that's all and well, but when it comes at the expensive of entertainment value, it's depressing. We don't want something that has 1 plot twist at the beginning and is as overused as the internet is for porn. I know it's not your ideas I've seen so far, but Maneo seemed hardheadedly certain not to change the overlying plot. It sucks that my ideas weren't up to par, but I feel they were.

If anyone's interested in seeing it btw, I'm interested in writing for a game.

I wholeheartedly agree with Calibre though. This thread is less about this game's progress and more about bickering, trolling, flaming. If your not ready to unveil anything close to a demo and your not looking for advice or opinions or help. Go recluse, focus on this project and return with results and major updates, not the little things.

 

[Triforce]

I'm sorry, I just misinterpreted your post. I thought you were saying the name had to have some more of a meaning.

 

[MukanshinBlack]

...@MukanshinBlack: From what I was told about in PMs of the game's overall plot, this game has less than FF1 and he's not willing to change it drastically because he wants a classic feel, that's all and well, but when it comes at the expensive of entertainment value, it's depressing. We don't want something that has 1 plot twist at the beginning and is as overused as the internet is for porn. I know it's not your ideas I've seen so far, but Maneo seemed hardheadedly certain not to change the overlying plot. It sucks that my ideas weren't up to par, but I feel they were....

Well I'm sorry that that confusion between you and Maneo happened because Maneo misunderstood you...  When he told me about it, I understood you were getting mad that I rewrote the first two paragraphs out of the synopsis and then you he removed you from the team.  Also, I have read the complete rough draft of the story, and although the whole idea is written and planned, it needs to be rewritten.  The reason why Maneo dismissed your ideas is because it was something completely new that would not fit into the story he had planned.  He wants it rewritten, not remade.  Whether or not he failed to explain that, I apologize and wish you the best of luck on your next project.

They've got every right to actually.  You don't need to copyright something through legal offices, that's a trademark.  A bit of creative work attains copyright on it's own.  That's besides the point though.  We are a community and if someone for whatever reason wants to withdraw work they've done they can.  This is of course hypothetical because is most cases people would leave a project under amicable circumstances...

If you make something and give it to someone else to include it into their project saying it's free for use if credited, and later decide you don't want to share it, they don't need to give it back.  It was already decided, so unless they don't credit you I see nothing wrong with it.  You can't just change a contract whenever you want.

...Do you also not think it is coincidence that people are continually in this project moaning about the lead posters mannerisms?  If you guys were genuinely serious about this, you'd forget this thread and go away for at least a few months and post a new main post when things are clearand decided upon.  All this thread has been for some while is a long hype train.

I agree completely on this, Calibre.  This thread has mostly negative comments and stupid conversations.  A few months might be a bit long, but after a while I'll see if I can get Maneo to talk to a mod to delete this thread and we'll start a new one.

 

[moog]

I'll see if I can get Maneo to talk to a mod to delete this thread and we'll start a new one.

I dont see a point to this. The same shit will just happen again.

 

[Triforce]

IT ONLY GOES ON BECAUSE WE'RE RESPONDING TO EACHOTHERS STUPID COMMENTS.
And I know this involves me, but it should apply to all of us.