Religion, what do you think?

[Twin Matrix]

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I think that would result in more drugs and rape and rap music. :d

Makes me wonder if animals can think in a religious way or if that's human-only... o.o

 

[Guest]

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[Venetia]

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I think that would result in more drugs and rape and rap music. :d

...why? :/

porn = your pounding out your sexual frustration, meaning less rape
and i dont see where drugs or rap music comes into any of it @_@

Makes me wonder if animals can think in a religious way or if that's human-only... o.o

Certain species of animals exhibit patterns of "grieving" or "mourning" over the dead, though it's largely unclear whether or not it is simply a defense mechanism concerning territory or instinctual offspring protection.

Abstract and creative thought is required to establish "morality" and "reverence". Very few animals display the characteristics of basic abstract or creative thought. And even then, it is still usually unclear whether or not it is simply an adaptive response to stimuli or training rather than the real deal.

I personally believe that a few select species ARE capable of basic abstract thought, emotion, and perception, but it's hugely doubtful that any of it would be on a level high enough to build up morality, ethics, or tradition.

 

[Twin Matrix]

...why? :/

porn = your pounding out your sexual frustration, meaning less rape
and i dont see where drugs or rap music comes into any of it @_@

No, I was aiming it not at porn but at the losing philosophy and thinking about things part. :d We could do with cutting down the sexual images outside of the house though and in the media though. Masturbating to porn is a great way to release your sexual frustration, like you said, but images that do not allow you to release it because of the place, etc. but only stimulates it (like pornographic ads outside) would only increase the amount of rape as this sexual frustration can not be released right there through masturbation. Well, it can, but, meh. :P

I personally believe that a few select species ARE capable of basic abstract thought, emotion, and perception, but it's hugely doubtful that any of it would be on a level high enough to build up morality, ethics, or tradition.

Hm, yea, dolphins come to mind.

I find it funny how we're the only species truly capable of doing so. Why didn't an other species evolve alongside of us to be this way? Other than the ol' humans.

 

[Guest]

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[craybest]

Twin matrix, your answer to my post was HEAVILY stereotyping and offending.
I know MANY people who don't follow a religion, and have very if not MORE fulfilling lifes than many religious people.
I don't care about god, there is no way I'll ever know for sure if he exists or not, so why should I care? If he doesn't exist then I'll live my life the way I want to, if he exists then I assume he wants me to live my life the way I want too, so the result is the same, him existing or not has absolutely no relevance.
I don't believe that I can only believe in what can be scientifically proven, maybe there's some sort of higher entity somewhere, but I seriously doubt it's the god religions speak about.
Assuming the only way of getting good "morals" is trough religion is not only a fallacy but even as lie, as many inmoral acts are commited in name of god or religion.
To me organized religion is just a way to control de masses, and it has nothing to do with god himself.

 

[Twin Matrix]

No, I was aiming it not at porn but at the losing philosophy and thinking about things part. :d We could do with cutting down the sexual images outside of the house though and in the media though. Masturbating to porn is a great way to release your sexual frustration, like you said, but images that do not allow you to release it because of the place, etc. but only stimulates it (like pornographic ads outside) would only increase the amount of rape as this sexual frustration can not be released right there through masturbation. Well, it can, but, meh. :P

What? People don't see an ad outside and then think "oh I'm horny" and then rape someone @_@

Also, it still doesn't mean that more people doing that would make more people listen to rap music, take drugs, and then rape someone. In fact, there is more chance of someone who is highly religious to the point where they abstain from sex to rape someone than there is for someone who doesn't hopelessly cling to fruitless philosophical theories and conjectures who sees an advert outside with a half naked woman on it.

Rapists (aka. people who were already capable of committing rape) will be stimulated by the porn outside and are more obliged to commit rape then if there is no stimulation outside? Aside from this being psychologically obvious, it's also biologically obvious. I just don't know the English version of the terms that are associated with this. 'sleutelprikkel', 'respons', etc., so I can't give you a much better explanation. I didn't (intend to) say that normal people are more obliged to commit rape when they see porn outside. I'm sure many people will actually have a 'negatieve terugkoppeling' when seeing it. The rape-behavior has to already be there. The porn just stimulates the behavior. I don't see how this is very difficult to understand. :/

I associate philosophizing with thinking about life and such, the opposite of getting drunk and stabbing someone in the streets over cash. That's just the way I see it. I doubt that there will be many criminals that philosophized (of course, with exceptions...). Obviously you see it differently, so, that's all right~! ^^

 

[Guest]

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[Twin Matrix]

1.
I didn't say that anyone suddenly feels the need to rape when seeing a porn ad. I said that the amount of rapes would increase, which they would. :d

2.
Porn outside = more rape. Less philosophy = more negative things. That's my point. :d THOUGH, I do see that my original rape/rap/drug comment does not have a direct connection to Ven's point that I thought it had before, as philosophizing (what I'm talking about) is different from 'hopelessly clinging to fruitless philosophical theories and conjectures' (what Ven was talking about) -- would love to hear some examples on the latter, by the way. Is that the contradiction that you speak of?

 

[Incognitus]

Makes me wonder if animals can think in a religious way or if that's human-only... o.o

Have you ever read HG Well's "The Island of Doctor Moreau"? Classic story in a nutshell- the doctor is making the animals humanoid.

Anyway - In the titular character's denument to Prendick, he explains that the behaviour which Prendick had witnessed from the animals (Prendick at the time believing them to be merely ugly humans) was not expressions of any "higher" functioning, but merely that which occured naturally in the wild. The animals were showing what appeared to be religious reverence, and other human behaviour, not due to any difference in their nature, but due to the fact they now had the ability to articulate it, and modified their own natural impulses to match what is the norm amongst human beings.

Prendick, who has displayed a belief in the natural supremacy of humanity, above and beyond that of "nature, red in tooth and claw", is thusly driven mad.

 

[Twin Matrix]

Hm, interesting fiction.

It would be rather amusing and cute to see a group of mice gather around a pole to worship a mouse God.

 

[Daxis]

Why should anyone care about religion? Just roll with the punches.

I'm one who votes "no" for if they believe anything. And I don't. One of the reasons I don't believe in something like the christian things is the fact that it sort of means that some 60 billions of people(there's a thing that happened where scientists estimated the # of people that ever existed) who never got a chance to believe in god would go to hell, simply cause they never heard of god. It also means that someone who farts in church goes to hell, so I really don't like religion.

Me, I'd rather like to believe that science can prove how life exists. I know it can't, but I'd like to believe it can, especially being able to make life. All components of your body can be bought at the supermarket, you know?

Why do people have to care about anything? All morals and stuff are opinions anyways. Humanity as a whole believes itself good and that it should exist. Yet, scientists can see the effects when something like overpopulation meets an environment. If you judge the effects of humanity on the world, as you would judge the effect of the overpopulation of a species in a community, you would find humanity to have a negative effect.

And why doesn't anyone care about this? Religion, basically. I find that religion seems to say that humanity is good, and that we should live however we want. You can argue that I'm wrong at that, but when you look at human history, not modern times, but human history, you would find that I;m right.

...Where was I going with all that? I think I mean that people don't really care or something... I'm serious, I'm sort of lost at where I was here...

 

[Cruelty]

I find that religion seems to say that humanity is good, and that we should live however we want. You can argue that I'm wrong at that, but when you look at human history, not modern times, but human history, you would find that I;m right.

the bible says that we are basically bad, and imperfect, thus the whole jesus thing - and that we are not supposed to just live how we want, but according to rules set by god. in fact, most religions have a set of rules for living, or at least guidelines for what not to do.

 

[Daxis]

WHICH WE USE TO JUSTIFY THAT WE ARE GOOD, WHICH WE USE TO JUSTIFY OUR ACTIONS. You notice how people in the middle ages and that period never really worried about destroying the environment? Just live our life, work every day just to work the next day. We were so much more "natural" back then, until science started making sense to us.

And there's no good or bad in nature. There isn't, only survival of the fittest. Animals suffer as well, but we can't hear their screams, can we?

Besides, we didn't live by rules set by god until religion like those came up; for millions of years, from the neanderthals to the cro-magnons, we lived however we wanted(Well, to the best of the human ability to.)

 

[blackspets]

excuse me but I was just wondering how you believe you knew how people lived millions of years ago. I can see where your coming from which is the major belief that we evolved from people long ago but how does anyone know for sure how people lived back then. So you cannot justify the fact that people lived however they wanted because other than very little discoveries made that are thought of as proof you can't tell me how people truly lived.

Bty I'm not saying your opinions are wrong but you cannot tell that you know how people lived

 

[blackspets]

forget the bty at the end I meant to spell btw which means by the way

 

[Daxis]

will all of the evidence, you really can't prove they didn't. Empirical data pretty much states that humanity(or a type of, at least) did live millions of years ago, or at least beyond recorded and religious texts and junk.

I'm using actual facts to prove things, by the way, because religious people know for a fact that their god exists, and I'm trying to prove for a fact that... their god doesn't.

 

[blackspets]

what do you believe then. Im intrested because of the comment...

for a fact that... their god doesn't.

 

[Daxis]

I'm basically anti-religion, since I think all ideals about religion and life after death stuff is stupid as f***. Boku wa akuma desu, ne?

But I do know about lots of religion and myths and things like that. I learn lots about stuff I hate for some reason.


Daxisheart if you're going to post in the symposium, please post properly. This means well thought-out replies meant to stir up intelligent conversation for the subject at hand; not shallow arguments, bold but meaningless statements or superfluous moonspeak.

 

[Venetia]

Hi I'm 15 years old and I just learned about carbon dating and evolution and sh** in Biology 101 at high school! I know everything about the universe and the reality we're living in. God is gay lol and your gay for believing in things!!!! Atheism is the only cool way to be B|. If you believe anything else your a f***ing moron and I am so much better than you :shades: I mean COME ON where's your proof???? Science is only about showing the proof of everything. And we have proof and you don't. We, meaning the entire scientific community, of which I am recently a part of. Because I'm in high school. And I know about important things. Sh** you can't even FATHOM yet.