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@Coyote:
Oh, there was just a new release a week or two ago, so there won't be another update anytime soon. As for the info, I'll try to fix it sometimes; it was just moved from the other board.
@Peri:
The perspective switching concept really isn't that new; feel free to use it if desired. :smile: I see what ya mean by the vege comment - I never really saw it in that formal way, but that's a good point. I think I'll take off the word vegetarian where it came up. The rabbit wandered into the trap itself though, so there was nothing he could do any how. For the comment in the first spoiler, I'm a little confused. If ya can elaborate, it'd be much appreciated.
@Blare:
If you want, sure why not. Mm, I certainly can't say that it'll be good per se, but I think anything with any game-play is better than playing a fairly story-only chapter (9) with no idea of the actual story, as it'd simply be a waste of time no matter how you look at it.
Oh, there was just a new release a week or two ago, so there won't be another update anytime soon. As for the info, I'll try to fix it sometimes; it was just moved from the other board.
@Peri:
The perspective switching concept really isn't that new; feel free to use it if desired. :smile: I see what ya mean by the vege comment - I never really saw it in that formal way, but that's a good point. I think I'll take off the word vegetarian where it came up. The rabbit wandered into the trap itself though, so there was nothing he could do any how. For the comment in the first spoiler, I'm a little confused. If ya can elaborate, it'd be much appreciated.
@Blare:
If you want, sure why not. Mm, I certainly can't say that it'll be good per se, but I think anything with any game-play is better than playing a fairly story-only chapter (9) with no idea of the actual story, as it'd simply be a waste of time no matter how you look at it.
Perihelion
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In the beginning, Reives asks Dasha to send him back to before any of this ever happened because he didn't want to be involved, right? But from what I remember of the plot, he was pretty much already involved at the beginning of the game. I mean, the first thing he does upon going back in time is wake up next to Lunair. Events had been set in motion by that point, and he was already a part of them whether he knew it or not. So him wanting to be oblivious to all the suspicious things going on is fine, but asking to have never met Lunair or have never gotten involved in any way struck me as weird. It's mainly a semantics thing, but I noticed it and scratched my head.
As for the bunny, I still found it odd. Vikon could've let it go like he did the deer, but he didn't even bat an eye at it; it's not like the bunny was asking to be eaten. I'd have him at least comment on it.
As for the bunny, I still found it odd. Vikon could've let it go like he did the deer, but he didn't even bat an eye at it; it's not like the bunny was asking to be eaten. I'd have him at least comment on it.
Ahhh, yep! I get it now.
That's a good catch, thanks for the heads up. I think the problem is mainly with my wording of things though, which I will go and fix up. The reason why he was sent to that particular point was because it was on that day (night), he chose to go and follow her trail, leading him to find out about her. It was Reivier who was with Dasha, and hence he himself (Reivier) cannot change the fact that Lunair was there in the village and will be in the village regardless of what Reivier can do himself or where he starts at again - the only thing he himself could do was to simply not find out about her - But he did anyway. Does that make sense? Not sure if I worded that right, heheh.
As for the bunny, I think something that small would be instantly killed when stepping into a bear trap, so letting it go would not be an option. But that's a good idea to get him to react, as currently the scene just blacks out or something. Thanks for the pointer!
As for the bunny, I think something that small would be instantly killed when stepping into a bear trap, so letting it go would not be an option. But that's a good idea to get him to react, as currently the scene just blacks out or something. Thanks for the pointer!
Perihelion
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About Reivier's request to not get involved, yeah, I got what you were going for--he didn't want to find out about Lunair, i.e. he wouldn't have followed her. But he had still technically met her, and the wording is more what I was going at. So we're on the same page now. 
And as for the bunny, yeah, it wasn't clear if it had instantly died or what, but adding a comment will sort it out.
And as for the bunny, yeah, it wasn't clear if it had instantly died or what, but adding a comment will sort it out.
Edit: This is a bit of a tangent, but honestly...
The whole thing of going back in time to change the past always strikes me as silly when the protagonist doesn't recall future events at all. Because if you're in the same situation with the same information and the same set of life experiences, you'll always make the same decision. So unless he has some kind of gut feeling not to go after her thanks to the time travel, it's kinda pointless, but then you wouldn't have a story. Unless you gave him a strong gut feeling and had him act against it anyway because of some compelling reason he didn't foresee (why?) when he was making his request to Dasha, which you may well have done, but I don't remember it. Haven't gotten that far yet this time!
@Peri:
Yeah, I agree with you completely on that - Personally, I'm a firm believer in the fact that people's reactions are static in relation to the environment they are in, which includes the current brain-state. And if you scroll back in time to a point where every condition is the same, the person will make the same choices again and again.
However, in the tent scene before the Chapter 1/Arc 1 screens came up, it was apparent that he did feel something remote from the experience, but simply couldn't recall clearly. So something is indeed changed about the brain-state, and the priorly stated phenomenon wouldn't apply. Correct me if I'm wrong though; always on the outlook for plot holes. :p
@Blare:
Thanks for giving that a chance. There's certainly still a lot of work to be done about the existing chapters, and I hope to progressively work through them as time goes on. But due to my optimistic planning of getting linear progress first, more chapters that extends toward completion in the story aspect would probably come first. Rest assured though, that I am very aware of the core things that needs to be done about many of the current existing chapters.
I hoped to say "I understand the problem" with this recent revamp to intro/chapter 1, as a preview to what can be done. :smile: It is certainly on my books to go through the other chapters with what I did to the intro and the like; it's just a matter of priority of production at this point.
Yeah, I agree with you completely on that - Personally, I'm a firm believer in the fact that people's reactions are static in relation to the environment they are in, which includes the current brain-state. And if you scroll back in time to a point where every condition is the same, the person will make the same choices again and again.
However, in the tent scene before the Chapter 1/Arc 1 screens came up, it was apparent that he did feel something remote from the experience, but simply couldn't recall clearly. So something is indeed changed about the brain-state, and the priorly stated phenomenon wouldn't apply. Correct me if I'm wrong though; always on the outlook for plot holes. :p
@Blare:
Thanks for giving that a chance. There's certainly still a lot of work to be done about the existing chapters, and I hope to progressively work through them as time goes on. But due to my optimistic planning of getting linear progress first, more chapters that extends toward completion in the story aspect would probably come first. Rest assured though, that I am very aware of the core things that needs to be done about many of the current existing chapters.
I hoped to say "I understand the problem" with this recent revamp to intro/chapter 1, as a preview to what can be done. :smile: It is certainly on my books to go through the other chapters with what I did to the intro and the like; it's just a matter of priority of production at this point.
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Sure, that's true, but it doesn't seem like nearly enough unless he has some kind of reaction when it matters (i.e. when he's about to follow Lunair). I'd have him get some bad deja vu and then ignore it because he's worried about Serai or something, but even then, I have to wonder why Reives didn't foresee himself making the same decision despite a bad feeling. It'd be much better, though.
I know what ya mean by that. But in a way, I'm almost fond of that particular idea myself - The Butterfly's Effect is what came to mind when I thought about it. Of course, there could be other things that wasn't shown, and since there were some flashbacks shown there, it's almost as if they're locked in him or whatnot.
To be perfectly honest though, this is partly because I've been lazy lately, heheh. The whole time travel thing has been criticized quite a few times on the project's home forum, and again recently by the betas of this release. What I promised was that I'd eventually give more attention to that part of the plot, by showing some effects through out the chapters and the like. Right now, that component of the plot is pretty much forgotten past the intro (except for one little instance in the end of chapter 3).
To be perfectly honest though, this is partly because I've been lazy lately, heheh. The whole time travel thing has been criticized quite a few times on the project's home forum, and again recently by the betas of this release. What I promised was that I'd eventually give more attention to that part of the plot, by showing some effects through out the chapters and the like. Right now, that component of the plot is pretty much forgotten past the intro (except for one little instance in the end of chapter 3).
Perihelion
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I don't really agree about the butterfly effect; I mean, the concept itself is neat, but it looks like you didn't address it at all in the game. :x I think you do need to do something with it, but as long as you're aware of the issue and intend to fix it, it's all good.
Also, you're aware that there's some bad grammar in chapter one, right?
Also, you're aware that there's some bad grammar in chapter one, right?
Yeah, I definitely have to do something about it - that component of the story overall needs some attention I think. But could you elaborate about the butterfly effect part?
And yeah, there are even more bad grammar in other chapters, hahah. English isn't my primary language, and I've picked up some wrong habits over the years. Some have been very helpful in reporting all the errors, but I've yet to go through fixing them.
And yeah, there are even more bad grammar in other chapters, hahah.
English isn't my primary language, and I've picked up some wrong habits over the years. Some have been very helpful in reporting all the errors, but I've yet to go through fixing them.Perihelion
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Like, I can see how you'd make an argument that Reives having an oh-so-slightly different mental state due to time travel would change things, but it needs to be brought up a hell of a lot more in the game if you want it to be believable. But you intend to do this, so it's all good.
Also, your English is really good in that case! I really had no idea. What's your first language?
Ooh yeah, definitely. That's not a disagreement with the butterfly's effect itself then, though; it's just stating the need to implement the concept delicately to make it believable. :p
First language's Chinese, although to be fair I have been in Canada for quite sometime now. The first half (and a tiny bit more) of my life so far's spent in China, the rest in Canada.
First language's Chinese, although to be fair I have been in Canada for quite sometime now. The first half (and a tiny bit more) of my life so far's spent in China, the rest in Canada.
Perihelion
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Yeah, sometimes I get excited and don't explain things clearly. :P I meant I disagreed with you using it as a valid explanation for things turning out differently as the game currently is.
Also, Chinese is cool. :O I would totally learn Chinese, but the writing scares me.
But now that you mention it, I think in a way that it's kinda cool to put that into speculation, though - It indeed could potentially end up at the exact same scenario as the intro. But then that'd be lame as it'd be an infinite loop, and still isn't an excuse for not providing a convincing explanation for it. D:
The writing scares me too to be honest. :x I haven't written anything in it in quite a long time, and I had to think before writing down my name on some plane ticket in Chinese once. . . although incidentally my name is actually relatively a chore to write.
Perihelion
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True, but I think it'd also be kinda neat to have it end up as the exact same scenario except he doesn't go back in time (like I dunno, Dasha doesn't let him) and just has to deal with everything going to shit. I'm not a big fan of time travel as a plot mechanic, but it does make for an action-packed intro, anyway.
Perihelion
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Also, I like how we keep editing our posts to carry on the second thread of conversation. >_>; So do you speak Chinese regularly still? It's a shame to get out of practice with the writing, though. But man, you guys should really switch to a phonetic alphabet. It's so much easier!
Yep. That wouldn't be the exact same scenario then though, as something with Dasha changed. But yeah, I get what you mean. Thinking back on it, I haven't really been keen on my rushed choice on the time travel thingy back then; but now that it's been like it for a while, it pretty much got stuck as, heh. I'll try to pull it carefully.
About the edit thing - Lol seriously, I was just about to say something about that. And yeah, I speak it on a regular basis with my parents and some new immigrant friends on campus and the like. By phonetic alphabets, do you mean "a b c" etc.? If so, there actually is phonetic alphabet spelling for all Chinese characters. D: It's how we find out how to pronounce certain characters when unsure, heheh.
Perihelion
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If you guys have a phonetic alphabet, why not just spell everything with it? >_>; Make life easier! Also, that's cool. I wish I were bilingual, but I only know a very little bit of Latin.
And good luck with the plot thing!
And good luck with the plot thing!
Zekallinos
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Well, every Chinese character has letters that could be used as phonetics. Which you can "read". Which we do use. I write my name in "phonetics" all the time. It's not the same as the ones in the dictionary, of course, but it's not that dissimilar to English.
(Well, that's what my mom told me. Born in Germany, lives in Canada/Quebec since the age of one? Can't expect me to know that much.)
I'm quad-lingual ^^ (if you count the bit of Spanish we learn at school).
(Well, that's what my mom told me. Born in Germany, lives in Canada/Quebec since the age of one? Can't expect me to know that much.)
I'm quad-lingual ^^ (if you count the bit of Spanish we learn at school).