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London/British Riots

Well judging by Cameron's words I'm guessing the British Police Service should be getting some new toys to play with. Next time this flares off they'll do what the Americans do. Form up and block off the escape routes via road, advance and when they square up fire the tear gas or hit them with a volley of pepper spray pellets. Just be sure to not use the latter in cold weather. They are deadly in cold weather as Boston found out breaking up a post baseball game riot on yawkee way. Deadly in the sense that if a million dollar shot hits you square in the eye not if it hits you anywhere.
 
All quiet in Wolverhampton last night.

Probably due to the rain or the extra police, but still good.

Non-stop arrests in Wolverhampton:

Among those dealt with was a 16-year-old from Dunstall Hill, Wolverhampton, who has been charged with burglary and violent disorder. The youth is alleged to have stolen two rings from the EV Beckett, in Queen Street which was devastated by dozens of yobs suffering thousands of pounds worth of damage. He was remanded into custody.

Police also revealed that an uncle marched his niece, a 14-year-old girl from Low Hill, into Wednesfield Police Station after he found her with suspected stolen goods allegedly taken from Zhapp clothing on Queen Street.
 
The people rioting complain about not having a voice:

The most signed e-petition on the No 10 website is one calling for convicted rioters to lose benefit payments.

"No taxpayer should have to contribute to those who have destroyed property, stolen from their community and shown a disregard for the country that provides for them," the petition argues.

It had more than 90,000 signatures at 6am and will be referred to the backbench business committee of MPs if it gets 100,000 signatures.

The MPs may then call a debate on it.

It comes as councils in Manchester, Nottingham and London say they will seek to evict social housing tenants who are convicted of violence locally and Housing Minister Grant Shapps says their powers could be extended to allow them to punish those who travelled out of the area to take part.

The e-petition, submitted by Stephen Mains, is dwarfing its closest competitors on the e-petitions website.

Its nearest rival, a bid launched by Conservative MP Robert Halfon to cut the price of petrol, had 24,000 signatures.

The next most signed e-petition was the campaign to retain the ban on capital punishment, which began in response to a less popular campaign to bring it back, signed by 20,000.

The most popular of the petitions calling for the return of the death penalty has been signed by 11,000 people.

There have been "technical problems" on the site since the petition about rioters went live - a government spokesman said it could be due to the volume of people trying to get onto the site but some people had still been able to get through.

Asked about the e-petition, a spokesperson for the Department of Work and Pensions said that, under current arrangements, "any benefit recipient who is convicted of an offence and is imprisoned, will lose their benefit entitlement".

Deputy PM Nick Clegg has also expressed sympathy with suggestions social tenants found to have been engaged in criminal activities should be evicted.

He told BBC London: "I think it's actually right to say if you go out and break the law and you destroy the community in which you live, why should you simply assume that you are going to continue to be supported in living in the way that you are in that community?"

Ministers have warned MPs not to "ignore" the public's suggestions.

Any petition signed by more than 100,000 UK citizens goes to the cross-party Commons backbench business committee, which will decide whether it is worthy of debate.

This does not mean any parliamentary bills will be tabled as a result, simply that the matter will be discussed.

Leader of the House of Commons, Sir George Young, told BBC News last week that the threshold for debating an e-petition could be raised if too many reached the signatures target.

He said: "We do want to monitor it to see if we've got the threshold either too high or too low.

"This is a new initiative and we've set 100,000 because we think that's roughly the right target, but if lots and lots of petitions sail through that barrier then we may need to see if it should be higher.

"If none of them are able to reach that target then we may need to lower it."

Labour have said the petitions could lead to debates on "crazy ideas".

The system replaces the previous e-petitions pages on the Downing Street website, set up when Tony Blair was PM.

The most popular of these, with more than 1.8 million people in support, opposed road pricing.

More than 70,000 backed the one-word suggestion that Gordon Brown should "resign".

And almost 50,000 signed up to the idea that TV presenter Jeremy Clarkson should become prime minister.
 

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England in trouble from a raging threat?

Sounds like America should intervene and become rich like we did after the second time.

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There was pictures today of parents comforting their children who were involved in some of this... arms round them, cuddling them... give them a clip round the lug and a brush. Better yet send them round to the people and places they've destroyed!
 
That's awful, I clicked onto something earlier watching reports and whatnots.
All of the media and such reported these as Riots and similar, however not one official said that word, it was mainly 'looters'.
If they were to declare it as a riot then they'd have to compensate everyone that was a victim, even if people were uninsured, riot victims can still claim compensation. Avoid the word, avoid the payouts.
 
I think the weirdest thing about these riots is that there isn't even really a reason for them. It's hardly about Mark Duggan anymore, it's just people smashing stuff up for no good reason. It's weird, in a way.

Even the Vancouver riots had sort of a reason, as stupid as it was. (but that became less about hockey and more about using the game as an excuse)

The whole situation is just dumb on so many levels.
 
It's just fun, pure and simple. The issue really is why people these days see it as fun.

Same as those who used to vandalise my school and shit. Did they never have toys growing up or something?
 
Holder":tb6f6ev1 said:
That's awful, I clicked onto something earlier watching reports and whatnots.
All of the media and such reported these as Riots and similar, however not one official said that word, it was mainly 'looters'.
If they were to declare it as a riot then they'd have to compensate everyone that was a victim, even if people were uninsured, riot victims can still claim compensation. Avoid the word, avoid the payouts.

What that's not going to happen. You really think a government that will spend days debating whether or not to bring out the watercannons on rioters is going to suddenly behave like some Stalinist autocracy? It's in the governments own interest to compensate the victims of what obviously is an unforeseen national disaster. You do realize that if they don't they have a lot of pissed off shop and homeowners who prolly vote regularly. Plus the insurers will want a bailout on top of that. I wonder how much cheaper the whole mess would've been if the police force had proper riot gear at their disposal (tear gas, bean bag shotguns, pepper pellets, etc). Sure you would have had some liberal handwringing and some more injured looters on your hands but if you could have prevented the vast majorities of those fires, well worth it.
 
Riots are really entity's unto themselves. People in groups tend to adopt herd like mentality. Think of a sports game how easily it is to get swept up by the crowd's reaction to an event on the field or at a funeral when tons of people start crying and you don't even really know the guy and you find yourself affected. The same is true in a riot. We have a tendency to adopt the norms of what is occurring within the group so if a ton of people are having a laugh pushing over a car or smashing windows we watch and laugh or take pictures or try to one up them. It's the drunken fun of a bored, shallow, and cool to act jaded generation.
 
No. The rain gave the police the break they needed to give some very draconian sentences. 5 years for stealing sweets, things like that. Will all be reduced on appeal, obviously, but it is enough of a shock to the rioters to get them to stop.
 
The rain and the death of three people in Winson Green, Birmingham. One of their fathers gave an impressive speech calling for peace, and since then pretty much the entire Muslim, Sikh, and Black community of Britain has got together and said: NO. (Like seriously how do they DO that? Do they have a phone tree system? :thumb: )
 
I know it's small cakes but I seriously think the man deserves an OBE. He saved a lot of people with that speech, because over the deaths they were on the verge of a HUGE uprising. He calmed the storm with words.
 

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