DARK KNIGHT
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I dunno, just, to me it seemed like it had the potential to be a stellar movie, but that they just tried too hard, y'know? I mean, the batsuit being kevlar panels is an awesome idea, but the sonar seemed kind of........flat? And I never got the impression that they fully developed Rachel's character, and Batman himself just seemed kind of blah. And tossing Two-Face in at the end, with no room for his character to grow? Lame. I LIKE Two-Face. And not killing Joker? Also lame, but very Batman, so I'll accept it. But what about the Bat-wannabes? They appeared, and then literally disappeared from the rest of the movie until that one kid was hanged. And the chick that betrayed Harvey? I don't even remember *seeing* her before that. That's an honor that really should only go to a character that was fully fleshed out and given ample screen time beforehand.
I'll watch it again, it wasn't a *bad* movie, it just seemed really flat to me.
I'll watch it again, it wasn't a *bad* movie, it just seemed really flat to me.
Rachel was fleshed out more in Batman Begins.
The officer who betrayed Harvey wasn't an important character, but she was part of a sort of singular collection of people as one character, that is, the corrupt cops, which was a big part of what Harvey Dent was so morally against and was a huge problem in Gotham City.
The officer who betrayed Harvey wasn't an important character, but she was part of a sort of singular collection of people as one character, that is, the corrupt cops, which was a big part of what Harvey Dent was so morally against and was a huge problem in Gotham City.
A Full Spoilered Review.
This is NOT the greatest film of all time. It is not in the top ten. It is not even in the top twenty. If you actually think that go watch some more movies and get over Heath Ledger's death. This is a good movie. It is solid and clever, but unlike great movies it lacks anything substantial to say other than, "sometimes you need to throw some rules to the winds to deal with evil..." What it does very well is be topical. Its war on terror references are all over the place continuing the staple of today's politics become a part of comic lore including a Gotham City reproduction of the FDNY working at ground zero with the Bat overlooking on a twisted piece of girder. Yet it suffers from saying anything compelling other than saying we live in a time where we need hero's even though we will despise what they do. Is Batman, GWB wiretapping our cellphones to find that Joker Terrorist? I think so. And while I agree with the film's point of view on the War on Terror I am also able to see that the depth that the movie explores these issues is too shallow to make it anymore than a good film. Sorry guys. Great movies go deeper into these matters to touch what is universal, thus rendering them timeless. The Dark Knight will be stuck in its time period, sorry. Out of context of today's politics it says little to the nature of our being, art, fiction, or anything really. Yet aside from the greatest movie of all time hype on IMDB this is a good film.
Much has been made about Heath Ledger's masterful performance as the Joker, and he is easily the best batman villain to take the screen, without a doubt. He is not the best actor in this movie. The best performance in this film is Commissioner Gordon, played by Gary Oldman. As a minor everyman character he had less to work with than Heath Ledger who benefits greatly from a well written role and stage time. While Heath gets all the glory with his cleverly constructed lines and crowd winning moments of bad-assery. Oldman is able to craft a very compelling everyman struggling to do what is right and survive in a world with out of control super villains and batman. He is the only character that actually evoked any sympathy and had some humane depth. Heath Ledger was second best in this film. He delivered the joker very well and took advantage of what was an extremely well written part. Michael Cain as Alfred was as usual effective as a father figure and mentor for the Bat. Christian Bale was OK. It was a very emblematic brooding boy scout batman, but since the movie didn't call for a lot of serious acting out of Batman it was buyable.
What hurt this movie was Maggie Gyllenhaal, Rachael Dawes. It wasn't that she was bad. It was that her part was extremely integral to Harvey Dent's believability as Two Face. For us to buy that Harvey throws away everything because she was destroyed, we need to believe she was utterly special and irreplaceable. She fails at that gloriously. Instead she is rather uninspired arm candy who, unlike Bruce Wayne's arm candy, has lines. She ends up to be little more than a prop in the film to be saved, because of a love vaguely developed and utterly non-existant on the screen except for a few uninspired kisses. Rachael Dawes dies and I don't really care. Gordon has his family kidnapped and threatened by Two Face and I do. Considering that Rachael Dawes is infinitely more important than Gordon I would say this is both a testament to how well Gordon was played and how uninspired Rachael Dawes was.
Anyway this was a fun film. It delivered everything a batman movie should, and is the best BATMAN movie of all time. That I can say easily.
Much has been made about Heath Ledger's masterful performance as the Joker, and he is easily the best batman villain to take the screen, without a doubt. He is not the best actor in this movie. The best performance in this film is Commissioner Gordon, played by Gary Oldman. As a minor everyman character he had less to work with than Heath Ledger who benefits greatly from a well written role and stage time. While Heath gets all the glory with his cleverly constructed lines and crowd winning moments of bad-assery. Oldman is able to craft a very compelling everyman struggling to do what is right and survive in a world with out of control super villains and batman. He is the only character that actually evoked any sympathy and had some humane depth. Heath Ledger was second best in this film. He delivered the joker very well and took advantage of what was an extremely well written part. Michael Cain as Alfred was as usual effective as a father figure and mentor for the Bat. Christian Bale was OK. It was a very emblematic brooding boy scout batman, but since the movie didn't call for a lot of serious acting out of Batman it was buyable.
What hurt this movie was Maggie Gyllenhaal, Rachael Dawes. It wasn't that she was bad. It was that her part was extremely integral to Harvey Dent's believability as Two Face. For us to buy that Harvey throws away everything because she was destroyed, we need to believe she was utterly special and irreplaceable. She fails at that gloriously. Instead she is rather uninspired arm candy who, unlike Bruce Wayne's arm candy, has lines. She ends up to be little more than a prop in the film to be saved, because of a love vaguely developed and utterly non-existant on the screen except for a few uninspired kisses. Rachael Dawes dies and I don't really care. Gordon has his family kidnapped and threatened by Two Face and I do. Considering that Rachael Dawes is infinitely more important than Gordon I would say this is both a testament to how well Gordon was played and how uninspired Rachael Dawes was.
Anyway this was a fun film. It delivered everything a batman movie should, and is the best BATMAN movie of all time. That I can say easily.
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soph":dhv8uwf4 said:
Well, I'm sort of agree with him. The story itself is nothing special, Rachel is even less lovable as I'm sort of seeing her as shoujo-manga heroine where two or more hot guys fighting over her.
Prexus":dhv8uwf4 said:
Heath isn't deserve to die, and Joker didn't consume him. Heath is supposedly racing through the ladder of glory in Hollywood by starring lots of great movies. But God has had another plan for him...
Er... can I cry now?
(Heath! I MISS YOU!!!!)
I, uh... I don't think that he's actually saying that the Joker "consumed" Heath.
Because that's sensationalist bullshit it was the duuuuurgs that offed him. I fail to see how someone can get so wrapped up in playing a role that it literally destroys them -- it's tantamount to people "dying of broken hearts" and that kind of bleeding-heart illogic that sounds oh so pretty but really means bupkis.
Besides, does an accountant get so wrapped up in his accounts that it destroys him? Is a car mechanic undone by his love for gears and transmission belts?
I agree that I would have liked to see him around the movie scene a little longer, though.
Because that's sensationalist bullshit it was the duuuuurgs that offed him. I fail to see how someone can get so wrapped up in playing a role that it literally destroys them -- it's tantamount to people "dying of broken hearts" and that kind of bleeding-heart illogic that sounds oh so pretty but really means bupkis.
Besides, does an accountant get so wrapped up in his accounts that it destroys him? Is a car mechanic undone by his love for gears and transmission belts?
I agree that I would have liked to see him around the movie scene a little longer, though.
Actually, Heath Ledger always wanted to become a father so when he and his wife had their daughter,Chimmy Ray":2rv7o233 said:
the Director of dark Knight called Ledger and asked him to play the role of the Joker...Heath Ledger did
his best acting as the Joker taking his role serious. Then his wife took away his daughter with her saying that he was never home and he was always working. That left him in despair and during the Winter he looked all happy but was sad and very tired, actually fatigue. He stood Christmas with his family when it was suppose to be with his wife and daughter and so then he was taking drugs and he didn't notice the overdose he was taking and died.
didn't he only OD on Ambien? I mean I used to take ambien all the time. You're not a drug addict if you assume that taking some extra pills more than what's prescribed will just have an added effect instead of killing you. Hell, a few times I considered taking some extra ambien so i'd just sleep a really long time. glad i reconsidered :x
but people are saying that he died from drug addictions and drug dependencies or whatever but thats not necessarily true, even if it's drugs that kill you.
but people are saying that he died from drug addictions and drug dependencies or whatever but thats not necessarily true, even if it's drugs that kill you.