Cross Dressing - Weird?

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Since we're playing games, I go with male for the left and right, the top and bottom, tough to call due to pose & angle, so no fair   However in any case you have to admit, at least if you've seen a lot of trannies, 95% of them are really, really easy to tell and frankly are horrifying unless that's your kink.  If you want to pick the talk show highlight "can you believe I used to be a guy" transsexuals you're getting basically the same perspective as if you flip through Victoria's Secret in an effort to get an idea of what the average woman looks like.

Nonetheless, their body, their business, I've no qualms with them.

@Raven:  Oh yeah I was essentially agreeing with you, I just think you could break it down even more if you chose and I felt like elaborating.

 

[Dissonance]

Since we're playing games, I go with male for the left and right, the top and bottom, tough to call due to pose & angle, so no fair   However in any case you have to admit, at least if you've seen a lot of trannies, 95% of them are really, really easy to tell and frankly are horrifying unless that's your kink.  If you want to pick the talk show highlight "can you believe I used to be a guy" transsexuals you're getting basically the same perspective as if you flip through Victoria's Secret in an effort to get an idea of what the average woman looks like.

Nonetheless, their body, their business, I've no qualms with them.

you're actually wrong.

north/south are guys, east/west are girls.

Good try though.

I'd still do it with any one of them.

 

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Well, I wouldn't in any case because the thought of random sexual encounters with either sex doesn't really get me going

 

[CERU]

Ehhh, unless you look particularly feminine it looks terrible, but if you want to crossdress thats your prerogative.

I personally wouldn't do it.

 

[kipani]

Crossdressers make me laugh. Im a girl and the fact that alot of men talk about girls having penis envy but dress up in high heels and dresses makes me roll my eyes and giggle

 

[Despain]

The kind of guys that talk about penis envy aren't usually the same ones that crossdress, princess.

 

[kipani]

Yeah. But macho men generally turn out to be gay :/

 

[Sic Semper Tyranosaurus]

Yeah. But macho men generally turn out to be gay :/

This claim intrigues me. One would hope that you have empirical evidence to back it up.

 

[bashful crobat]

Yeah. But macho men generally turn out to be gay :/

This claim intrigues me. One would hope that you have empirical evidence to back it up.

Got yer proof right here BD

Nah, it's bollocks. Any 'type' of man could be gay, seems kipani just doesn't know much about gays. Hell, I'll likely be safe extending that to men in general!

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

It comes to my experience with people that those who go on about women having penis envy are threatened by a woman's apparent "masculinity" or "male gender traits" in their personality.  Likewise most men who believe heavily muscular dudes who work out all body builder like are "compensating" tend to be compensating for their lack of overly masculine features like bulging muscles for example, and are likewise threatened by an obviously more physically "male" person.
It's like saying a woman who spends "too much time" on her makeup and physical attractiveness is "compensating" for. . ?  Being less of a woman?  Being gay?  Funny.  Same argument but when you switch it to being less of a woman instead of man, or being gay - it doesn't quite make as much sense socially does it?

But alas that is a topic for another debate.

 

[Marcus]

I honestly don't know why we specifically single each other out by creating clothing only certain genders wear.  Women can wear pants... yet men cannot wear dresses unless they call them kilts?

There are some article of clothing I can understand being gender specific.  A man has no need to wear a bra or panty hose.  I can understand how people like dresses (I've worn a kilt before and they're very comfortable) but any man who fully dresses up in panties and bra is wearing the clothing for cosmetic reasons, not for comfort.  It's obvious they envision themselves as females, not men.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

No offense Marcus, but I half expected you to say something completely different.  Not too far different, but different enough.

I just wanted to point out the some men do wear bras and pantyhose and such for comfort - although albeit our definitions of comfort are different.  I don't mean just physical, but mental/emotional/psychological comfort even(?)

 

[Marcus]

No offense Marcus, but I half expected you to say something completely different.  Not too far different, but different enough.

Like what?  Did you expect me to admit wearing pantyhose or something?

The stereotypical image of a crossdresser is a guy (who's obviously a guy) wearing a dress and high-heels like you'd see in Monty Python or something.  But a REAL crossdresser is someone who goes all the way.  They usually stuff their bras, wear corsets to give themselves feminine looking hips, and even throw on tons of makeup.  Anyone who is actually serious about crossdressing tries their hardest to look like the opposite sex.

There aren't many men in the world who just walk around in a dress because it's casual and looks good.  There's usually a psychological attachment to it like gender issues.  I have nothing against it, but everything society deems as "abnormal" comes from some sort of psychological confusion or mental problem.

EDIT: I just wanted to add that very few people ever speak out against tomboys but when a boy tries to act like a girl?  Shit starts hitting the fan.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

I agree, it's very sexist.  And I think the most sexist thing is that we don't look at women the way we look at men.
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Many cross dressers actually do it when no ones around for fear of backlashes.
Many times they won't go all the way in public, but rather in intimate settings, or even sneak in wearing an unstuffed bra, or a pair of woman's panties while out on the business meeting etc.
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Actually I expected you to be partially against it more.  Not actually against cross dressers, or the freedom to cross dress, but rather the "acceptance" of it.  Not to sound stupid, but I see two Marcus' post.  The one I'm extremely similar to view points, and the other one who I'm not 100% agreeing with, and I expected the 2nd rarer one on this topic lol.

Yes even I wall people I've never met into little instacubes of what to expect - often I'm proven wrong, very rarely do I even mention I do, but this is one of 'em XD

 

[Sic Semper Tyranosaurus]

No offense Marcus, but I half expected you to say something completely different.  Not too far different, but different enough.

Like what?  Did you expect me to admit wearing pantyhose or something?

Of course not. Though, I don't know how many people would be surprised if you did it in private. To feel pretty.  :kiss:

wear braziers to give themselves feminine looking hips

Um. I don't think you know what brazier means. Or, for that matter, what the word I'm assuming you were trying to spell means.

 

[Marcus]

Actually I expected you to be partially against it more.  Not actually against cross dressers, or the freedom to cross dress, but rather the "acceptance" of it.  Not to sound stupid, but I see two Marcus' post.  The one I'm extremely similar to view points, and the other one who I'm not 100% agreeing with, and I expected the 2nd rarer one on this topic lol.

I've got my own mental problems that go against societies norm.  I don't think being a borderline pedo gives me the right to call someone who crossdresses weird.

Gay people are weird though.  You suck if you like your own gender! (p.s. this is fact and cannot be disputed).

Um. I don't think you know what brazier means. Or, for that matter, what the word I'm assuming you were trying to spell means.

I meant to type corset but I couldn't think of the word at the time and brassiere was the first thing that came to mind (my web browser has an auto-word function that I can't fucking turn off so it changed brassier to brazier).

 

[Sic Semper Tyranosaurus]

I don't think being a borderline pedo gives me the right to call someone who crossdresses weird.

I won't sleep soundly until you explain every sordid detail of this statement.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

Look in the pedo thread, he does.

 

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Yeah : /  I'd also like to pipe up to say that tomboys are hot, and thus it'd be hypocritical of me personally to deride cross-dressing men.

I don't see quite where kilts come into the conversation, anyone who thinks a man wearing a kilt is cross-dressing is lamentably ignorant and probably belongs in a special place where the scary gay people can't hurt them.

 

[Marcus]

Yeah : /  I'd also like to pipe up to say that tomboys are hot, and thus it'd be hypocritical of me personally to deride cross-dressing men.

I don't see quite where kilts come into the conversation, anyone who thinks a man wearing a kilt is cross-dressing is lamentably ignorant and probably belongs in a special place where the scary gay people can't hurt them.

I was just pointing out that it's considered "wrong" for a man to wear a skirt but perfectly fine to wear a kilt.  Skirts are different from kilts but it ultimately boils down to the same thing: men must always wear pants unless they're shorts (which are nothing more than cutoff pants).  Even in countries where men wear robes, the robes always reach down to the feet just like pants.