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Cross Dressing - Weird?

Gah! Now this is completely off-topic!
Hallo~ We're not live in the world of similiarty! Everyone is different, and so what's wrong with addressing A as "A" and B as "B"!!!!

If you're fussing so much about how I address "them" or "community" then tell me how to address this matter. As for this, I really have no intention to hurt someone's feeling and/or discriminating them. If that's about my wording, then I'm sorry.

Be well,
Choc
 
Incognitus":3kcdxujs said:
Please, for the love of God, don't use the "---- community" expressions. It's just putting a PC face on emphasising an essential "otherness". How often do you hear people discussing "the straight community"?

It irritates me so much.

/rant.

what. there is a gay community, though. the term isn't used to mean "all gay people lol" (and people who use it that way are pretty much pcfags) but it is generally used by lots of people to mean "the large group of gay people who are active when it comes to gay rights and the people who support them". and a lot of these people DO hang out together

and yes you actually hear people discussing the "straight community" quite a bit! guess who does: the gay community.

but you're all losers who are going horribly off-topic. it says quite clearly that we should be talking about crossdressing, not politically-correct ways of talking about fudgepackers and sausagejockeys.
 
No, don't take it to heart. With hindsight,I really shouldn't have brought it up and it was just a spur of the moment post. It's just one of those things that irritates me and that appears all across places like the BBC or the Guardian. I use it myself and when I do it irritates me too! ;P

I generally try to use phrases such as "a certain amount of gay people". :\ But obviously that's not perfect and it depends how you use it.


and yes you actually hear people discussing the "straight community" quite a bit! guess who does: the gay community.

Yeah - the only place I've ever seen that written is ironically in Boyz or Attitude.

(and people who use it that way are pretty much pcfags)

That's the usage of it I hate: See above.
 
adelaidechoc I'd hardly call that on-topic. Seriously you guys, go back to posting Symposium-level replies or I'm going to have to be a moderator and do something.
 
Cross Dressing is about as wierd as homosexuality, in my opinion. However, kilts and robes used to be masculine attire before culture changed and became skirts and dresses. It is all about what the people decide is normal, so I say if you don't want to conform to the environment, go for it. But if you want to blend in with society, wear what everyone else wears.
 
Actually it's not about wearing the women's clothes. It's about deliberately trying to dress as a woman that's really the bother.

That's why kilts and robes aren't outclassed.
 
And don't even say it's not normal or that it's strange.
Consider we are born naked and we don't naturally have clothing ourselves.  We defined the gender attire role along the lines of thousands of years.  A nice chunk of which didn't bother to say what was male or what was female.
 
But how is it a bother in the first place?

Wouldn't you think there's something wrong with the man in the first place? It's not mainly about the clothes it's the state of mind. If a woman was really in a man's body, she would dress as a man to look presentable because she knows she looks like a man, not a woman.
 
What?
You kind of lost me on that one.

How is a person's preferred comfortable clothing a disposition to their state of mind?

A friend wears a lot of cargo pants.  Even on hot days he wears cargo shorts.  He has a pair of sweat pants with those little cargo pockets.  Is he mentally imbalanced because he desires to wear a particular style of fashion over, oh let's say jeans?

Cassy":nfrwnr2b said:
If a woman was really in a man's body, she would dress as a man to look presentable because she knows she looks like a man, not a woman.
Umm... wait,

If a woman was in a man's body, that part I got...
she'd dress as a man (BTW not always, sometimes the social norm or preferred clothing varies between person to person), but the reason is because she knows she looks like a man?  So... women who are in that state of confused gender are handsome?  Manly?  Don't look like women to begin with?
I think I'm reading this wrong, or you typed it wrong - because you certainly couldn't have meant that.  I just have no clue what you did mean to say.
 
Cassy":xr3xbsgt said:
But how is it a bother in the first place?

Wouldn't you think there's something wrong with the man in the first place? It's not mainly about the clothes it's the state of mind. If a woman was really in a man's body, she would dress as a man to look presentable because she knows she looks like a man, not a woman.

Why would it matter if there's something "wrong" with the man?
 
Wyatt":3aupcyox said:
Cassy":3aupcyox said:
But how is it a bother in the first place?

Wouldn't you think there's something wrong with the man in the first place? It's not mainly about the clothes it's the state of mind. If a woman was really in a man's body, she would dress as a man to look presentable because she knows she looks like a man, not a woman.

Why would it matter if there's something "wrong" with the man?

If someone wanted to be something completely different, eg: a dog. Wouldn't you recommend therapy instead of letting him get surgery to become a dog look-a-like.
 
I've worn both a kilt and a dress in the past, both for different Halloween outfits. I actually felt manlier in the dress because it was longer.

Cross-dressing is wierd in the sense that it is unusual behavior, but at the same time there is nothing inherently wrong with it, especially when it is done for comic purposes.
 
Cassy":r0115ko0 said:
But how is it a bother in the first place?

Wouldn't you think there's something wrong with the man in the first place? It's not mainly about the clothes it's the state of mind. If a woman was really in a man's body, she would dress as a man to look presentable because she knows she looks like a man, not a woman.

What is 'presentable' and what defines 'appropriate' clothing for either gender is constantly changing between time and place.  ALL clothing is unnatural as we were born naked.

So unless you're naked right now, you are doing something unnatural - whether you dress in accordance with some arbitrarily set 'tradition' or not really doesn't matter.

Cassy":r0115ko0 said:
Wyatt":r0115ko0 said:
Cassy":r0115ko0 said:
But how is it a bother in the first place?

Wouldn't you think there's something wrong with the man in the first place? It's not mainly about the clothes it's the state of mind. If a woman was really in a man's body, she would dress as a man to look presentable because she knows she looks like a man, not a woman.

Why would it matter if there's something "wrong" with the man?

If someone wanted to be something completely different, eg: a dog. Wouldn't you recommend therapy instead of letting him get surgery to become a dog look-a-like.

LOL FURRIES

But honestly, yes.  If he's not hurting himself or anybody else, I can't think of a logical reason as to why he shouldn't be able to do what he wants to do.
 
So unless you're naked right now, you are doing something unnatural - whether you dress in accordance with some arbitrarily set 'tradition' or not really doesn't matter.

Changing an clothed society to a unclothed society would be dangerous. Clothing used to be just for warmth etc. Now it's used to safeguard our nudity, and becoming naked now that clothes have been out for centuries and our society has become perverted (Well it always was), but nudity has been a more sexual thing.

But, if you go to a country where nudity is common, they will be less perverted behavior toward people who go around naked, they go around naked because it's the norm, not because they want to be all natural.

As for the not hurting anyone, I can't really debate with you with this one because it's being mention 100 times and is complete cliche, you might as well accept the following charges of behaviour aswell since they aren't "hurting" anyone else (Maybe some of them are hurting themselves, oh well);

Anorexics
Cutters
Furries (Thanks for the idea)
Loliconiacs
Barely dressed people in public
People eating their own fecal matter
Suicidal people
People who run around naked around stonehenge
 
Are you crazy? You've got to be kidding me! I could understand the barely dressed people in public thing because it's common and stupid.

Could you explain how those things are not strange? o_O Or are you just straying away from it for the debate?
 
Cassy":lr41mpx1 said:
Changing an clothed society to a unclothed society would be dangerous. Clothing used to be just for warmth etc. Now it's used to safeguard our nudity, and becoming naked now that clothes have been out for centuries and our society has become perverted (Well it always was), but nudity has been a more sexual thing.
Our society is so perverted because of our strict moral ethics over the years.  Our do this do that black and white morality gave us this push.  Look in places were women can be topless at the beach, where either sex can be naked.  Look in places where nudity is not taboo.
An amazing drop in sex crime activity between the locals - the sexually oppressed bastard who goes there to see boobies, not including him.  Very little rape in fact.  Look in Japan where the gender roles are even stricter than ours, and look how perverted places there are where you sell used panties in vending machines and you have a separate all womans car on the train for protection.

Just trust me when I say, the only thing perverted about our society in large is because we're so afraid not to perverted.

But, if you go to a country where nudity is common, they will be less perverted behavior toward people who go around naked, they go around naked because it's the norm, not because they want to be all natural.
No, some do it to be natural, just as some don't do it.  Not everyone who lives in France goes to nude beaches.

Maybe some of them are hurting themselves, oh well
Define the damage done to themselves, and I hope you don't mean to include the damaged as:

Anorexics
Cutters
Furries (Thanks for the idea)
Loliconiacs
Barely dressed people in public
People eating their own fecal matter
Suicidal people
People who run around naked around stonehenge

Because Anorexia is a damage to the body, it causes you physical problems.  You CAN die.
Cutters is a damage to the body, it causes you physical problems.  You CAN die.
People eating their own fecal matter?!  Honestly what's that and half the rest of the list got to do with anything?  Fecal matter can spread disease, it can harm people, and you CAN die.  So can the person next to you.  See that?  Damage.  Physical damage and a lose of life or two - cross dressing has never caused damage to anyone unless they wore a corset and tied it to tight and split their kidney over years and years of wearing it.

You can not just throw that in.  Might as well have thrown in the Nazi's and hoped no one noticed the giant fact that you randomly selecting random things for random purposes.  You have to understand by "not hurting anyone" we mean that, whereas other things are hurting people, there are signs and a lose of life is possible, everything else is what? Oh no!  IT BREAKS TRADITION LETS GET ANGRY D:<

People who run around naked by Stone Henge... was that meant to be convincing?  People barely dressed in public?  Go to a beach there's people barely dressed almost every day of the summer.  Water slides too.  Hell, bathing suits used to be considered too erotic for the beaches, you had to wear a one piece tank and short thing, and the women sometimes had little frill like dress things on them and the men's were more like shorts.  More Victorian era policies that need to die out and let the world breath.

Seriously, stop the oppression.  Human sexuality only involves nudity because we demanded it should.  The entire body is our sexuality, but keeping it locked away in a cage merely forces the hungry animals to snap and feed at their first bite.  Areas with too strong ethical coding involving sexuality breeds two things:
1) Sexism of Domination (IE: areas where women or men have no say in things)
2) Sexual Assault (IE: the horny bastard just date raped someone)
These things are so less common where sexuality is just that - sexuality, NOT what you were or don't.
 
Cassy":na02gz1u said:
Anorexics
Cutters
Suicidal people

They hurt themselves, so I would be against it like everybody else.

Cassy":na02gz1u said:
Furries (Thanks for the idea)
Barely dressed people in public
People eating their own fecal matter
People who run around naked around stonehenge

These people are not hurting themselves.  We may find their actions immoral or disgusting, but they do not, and if the person or persons involved are willing adults and not hurting themselves, we have no logical reason to stop them.

Cassy":na02gz1u said:
Loliconiacs

Even here, as long as it involved willing adults and are not hurting anybody, there's no problem.  It's quite alright for a pedophile to masturbate to loli drawings and their own fantasies (as it doesn't involve the violation of a real child.)  As long as they don't cross over to real-life molestation we have no right to interfere.

Cassy, you are making your judgments based on preconceived cultural notions that you were raised with.  Rather than looking at the topics LOGICALLY and WITHOUT BIAS you are believing that the notions of morality that you've learned from your upbringing are both natural and universal, when they obviously are not.
 

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