sixtyandaquarter
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Venetia I'm reporting your post as spam :-/
Actually thanks for lettin' me know, though I wasn't actually worried heh.
Actually thanks for lettin' me know, though I wasn't actually worried heh.
[WIP] Quarterman Template
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sixtyandaquarter
Member
Since this is my first real attempt at original sprite work outside of doing little favicons and things so small, I'm paying attention to what people are saying.
If I had thought the things that were said and "bad" were not worth listening to, would I have made 4 pages in this thread chock full of constant revisions to the same old sprite?
If I didn't get these posts I wouldn't have finished this thing. It is "analysis" and I do take it as so, not a "tell me how much you love mah pixelz" lol.
Seriously though, keep the critiques coming.
I didn't find an unintentional color, or a slide in color.
I've never been happy with the arms or feet, personally.
If I had thought the things that were said and "bad" were not worth listening to, would I have made 4 pages in this thread chock full of constant revisions to the same old sprite?
If I didn't get these posts I wouldn't have finished this thing. It is "analysis" and I do take it as so, not a "tell me how much you love mah pixelz" lol.
Seriously though, keep the critiques coming.
Any other issues outside the head?
I didn't find an unintentional color, or a slide in color.
I've never been happy with the arms or feet, personally.
If only more people were like you.... a man can dream.
The hands also seem really small and he seems to lack knees-or something at least in his lower legs seems off. He needs a bit more depth to his crotch and I might suggest widening his chest a bit so his arms don't really seem parallel to it...
Um...
This actually isnt really that good at all but it MIGHT show a little bit about what I mean.
http://bb.xieke.com/files/sity1.PNG[/img]
Okay I might be taking everything a step back with this, but this is why I've been taking so long.
http://www.pixelcocktail.com/hosted_ite ... tyHelp.png[/img]
I've been trying to figure out a way to convert the Quarterman to a 3-pixel template instead of a 2-pixel one. You read my explanation elsewhere, Sixty, but for everyone out of the loop, here's my general gripe about 2-pixel templates:
So I spent a bunch of time trying to mull over how to make this 3-pixels.
Admittedly, I like his face worse. But now, his body has potential.
On the 2-pixel template, try drawing in a button-down shirt or a closed vest. It's impossible to do and look symmetrical. There's no center line.
Also, I made his hands bigger, with larger thumbs. Remember that the thumb is about 5/6ths as big as the index finger.
Maybe this'll get you out of the rut you've been in with the template--maybe not. Either way, you know I'm trying to help, dammit!!!
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http://www.pixelcocktail.com/hosted_ite ... tyHelp.png[/img]
I've been trying to figure out a way to convert the Quarterman to a 3-pixel template instead of a 2-pixel one. You read my explanation elsewhere, Sixty, but for everyone out of the loop, here's my general gripe about 2-pixel templates:
So I spent a bunch of time trying to mull over how to make this 3-pixels.
Admittedly, I like his face worse. But now, his body has potential.
On the 2-pixel template, try drawing in a button-down shirt or a closed vest. It's impossible to do and look symmetrical. There's no center line.
Also, I made his hands bigger, with larger thumbs. Remember that the thumb is about 5/6ths as big as the index finger.
Maybe this'll get you out of the rut you've been in with the template--maybe not. Either way, you know I'm trying to help, dammit!!!
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sixtyandaquarter
Member
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/ ... update.png[/IMG]
Blah.
Comment if ya up to it.
I don't know if I'm better off or not between the two, but I do think I made some improvements.
Especially in the chest/shoulder regions.
Don't like the hands. I extended the arms, which might've been a mistake. Honestly I think I now have to lengthen the legs and possibly widen the torso a bit. But then I'll probably run into the "he's flat as a board" effect.
Ummm.... I tried to give more depth and dimension to his form. The legs on the left were borrowed from Vennie (another set of legs I stole), and like before I hope to meld my own eventually.
The one on the right was a cropping mistake I hadn't realized I made with an old version and the original new (left) version being overlayed. However it looked promising, and a little better than my mostly unshaded (I couldn't get it to look right) original (left) attempt.
Des, Vennie, do I really need to say thanks again for comments, props, and show of supports?
If this keeps up and I keep stealing from mock ups I'm really going to have to label this: "Quarterman" By sixtyandaquarter, Solid Brow, & Venetia (alphabetical order beotches - god I'm too tired... I just said beotches)
Comment away if yer feelin' up to it.
EDIT:
I'm also thinking about substituting a color. The dark outline (which yes I knew I screwed my outline on this one a bit) I think should be made lighter.
Also thinking about adding a color. I know, I know... I'm already dealing with more skin tones than I need to, but really that would be a substitution as well.
If you haven't noticed already the darkest shading color, is the same as the light outline - which kind of forces me to male dark spots where the two meet by using the dark outline, or making it appear without outline in some regions where they meet.
EDIT Numah Tou
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/ ... rter/3.png[/IMG]
Okay now I'm just being completely random.
Some minor changes, dunno if the first two on the left are noticeable or not, the third one is an attempt to do an oddpixed version (though I kind of like my outcasted evenpixed version)
The face is but ass ugly on that last one. That and I really don't like it. There are some improvements on that compared to the evenpixed, but I just... I dunno. I don't like it at all.
To be fair I wanna keep the evenpixed sizing just to keep the face. It's all for that face alone lol.
The middle one also used a darker 2ndary outline color, but it's not a good choice heh.
Blah.
Comment if ya up to it.
I don't know if I'm better off or not between the two, but I do think I made some improvements.
Especially in the chest/shoulder regions.
Don't like the hands. I extended the arms, which might've been a mistake. Honestly I think I now have to lengthen the legs and possibly widen the torso a bit. But then I'll probably run into the "he's flat as a board" effect.
Ummm.... I tried to give more depth and dimension to his form. The legs on the left were borrowed from Vennie (another set of legs I stole), and like before I hope to meld my own eventually.
The one on the right was a cropping mistake I hadn't realized I made with an old version and the original new (left) version being overlayed. However it looked promising, and a little better than my mostly unshaded (I couldn't get it to look right) original (left) attempt.
Des, Vennie, do I really need to say thanks again for comments, props, and show of supports?
If this keeps up and I keep stealing from mock ups I'm really going to have to label this: "Quarterman" By sixtyandaquarter, Solid Brow, & Venetia (alphabetical order beotches - god I'm too tired... I just said beotches)
Comment away if yer feelin' up to it.
EDIT:
I'm also thinking about substituting a color. The dark outline (which yes I knew I screwed my outline on this one a bit) I think should be made lighter.
Also thinking about adding a color. I know, I know... I'm already dealing with more skin tones than I need to, but really that would be a substitution as well.
If you haven't noticed already the darkest shading color, is the same as the light outline - which kind of forces me to male dark spots where the two meet by using the dark outline, or making it appear without outline in some regions where they meet.
EDIT Numah Tou
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/ ... rter/3.png[/IMG]
Okay now I'm just being completely random.
Some minor changes, dunno if the first two on the left are noticeable or not, the third one is an attempt to do an oddpixed version (though I kind of like my outcasted evenpixed version)
The face is but ass ugly on that last one. That and I really don't like it. There are some improvements on that compared to the evenpixed, but I just... I dunno. I don't like it at all.
To be fair I wanna keep the evenpixed sizing just to keep the face. It's all for that face alone lol.
The middle one also used a darker 2ndary outline color, but it's not a good choice heh.
Shit, bro, this has come a LONG way. Really nice improvement on the last update there. The abs look a lot cleaner and fixed up some of the problems I was talking about earlier with random-looking pixels. He looks very buff. 
The arms look unnaturally straight. Maybe relax the shoulders a bit.
Venetia's right on odd-pixels, but the head on the last one looks flat. Round his head a little more (just drag that one-pixel on the sides down by a pixel it should do it).
Make the hands significantly bigger. Don't just change a pixel or two, recreate them.
The arms look unnaturally straight. Maybe relax the shoulders a bit.
Venetia's right on odd-pixels, but the head on the last one looks flat. Round his head a little more (just drag that one-pixel on the sides down by a pixel it should do it).
Make the hands significantly bigger. Don't just change a pixel or two, recreate them.
sixtyandaquarter
Member
Hows this:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/ ... rman-2.png[/IMG]
Arms have been changed to what most templates look like.
I think it looks a little silly, but if you look at most non squarish templates, half kaizer and such, their arms kind of move out to the side like this.
Reattempted the 3pix one again as well - I'm really not digging this 3pix stuff, but since it's really only one pixel different I can keep working on it alongside the 2pix (which is what I'll personally be using - well maybe I'll use the 3 pix if a guy's supposed to be extra large.
Thanks Xcelled and SB for saying how it's come a long way.
I'm glad it's noticeable. I hope it's not just from the first to that batch, but rather over time.
If anyone would like to (I dunno why) see nearly every step in this template's evolution, look in the spoiler below:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/ ... rman-2.png[/IMG]
Arms have been changed to what most templates look like.
I think it looks a little silly, but if you look at most non squarish templates, half kaizer and such, their arms kind of move out to the side like this.
Reattempted the 3pix one again as well - I'm really not digging this 3pix stuff, but since it's really only one pixel different I can keep working on it alongside the 2pix (which is what I'll personally be using - well maybe I'll use the 3 pix if a guy's supposed to be extra large.
Thanks Xcelled and SB for saying how it's come a long way.
I'm glad it's noticeable. I hope it's not just from the first to that batch, but rather over time.
If anyone would like to (I dunno why) see nearly every step in this template's evolution, look in the spoiler below:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/sixtyandaquarter/evolution.png[/IMG]
sixtyandaquarter
Member
Eh?
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/ ... rman-3.png[/IMG]
I had widened them by 1 pixel originally (to the outter) but I wasn't sure how it looked, moving them back in and adding a 'fingerline' along with some extra length is what I did do however
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/ ... rman-3.png[/IMG]
I had widened them by 1 pixel originally (to the outter) but I wasn't sure how it looked, moving them back in and adding a 'fingerline' along with some extra length is what I did do however
Zetaraptor03
Member
Nice templates Sixtyandaquarter, I think they're about ready to be full fledged charset templates. Anyone else agree?
Wow this template has come a long way now though I'd say you need to play with the hands a bit more. They're kinda oddly shaped as your first two fingers are the longest not the last two like you have here or at least it looks like it from first glance. Perhaps it's too much to do every single finger and maybe you could clump it more or rework the shape. It's too flat on the outside.
sixtyandaquarter
Member
@Xcelled,
I somehow missed your reply last two posts heh.
I am a little proud with the work I've put into this ^_^
Thanks
@Zetaraptor03,
Thanks. I think I just need to clean up a few spots and they'll be ready to move on to the next level I hope.
@Jeronimus,
If you meant the 2nd (right) one: It does look a bit small, but that's because it is heh, it's a pixel shorter than the normal head (one on left). Going from an even pixeled size to an odd pixeled size makes the head a difficult transition. I'll see if I can work that out. I have to reshade it anyway so I can see if I can reshape it a bit as well.
@RtDA,
I see what you mean. The finger line was supposed to indicate an index finger, and the rest was meant to be clumped together - a left over from my old background crowd work in drawings. I'll get on right on that.
I'm glad to see people saying it's come a long way. I mean, I know it has, but it's nice to see people say it because it shows I'm not wasting my time, anyone who reads this' time, and forum space heh. Especially from the first person who came along and gave me several helping pointers
Could it be called an Update?
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/ ... rman-4.png[/IMG]
Slightly revamped hands, some minor shading changes to the 3pix (right) version near the neck/head.
I have more to do, there's still some things that even I can see that might need to be resolved and I don't have the patience tonight. I've also been told the abs look like pillows so I'll be attempting to clear that up as well best I can.
As always thanks for the comments and keep 'em coming!
I somehow missed your reply last two posts heh.
I am a little proud with the work I've put into this ^_^
Thanks
@Zetaraptor03,
Thanks. I think I just need to clean up a few spots and they'll be ready to move on to the next level I hope.
@Jeronimus,
If you meant the 2nd (right) one: It does look a bit small, but that's because it is heh, it's a pixel shorter than the normal head (one on left). Going from an even pixeled size to an odd pixeled size makes the head a difficult transition. I'll see if I can work that out. I have to reshade it anyway so I can see if I can reshape it a bit as well.
@RtDA,
I see what you mean. The finger line was supposed to indicate an index finger, and the rest was meant to be clumped together - a left over from my old background crowd work in drawings. I'll get on right on that.
I'm glad to see people saying it's come a long way. I mean, I know it has, but it's nice to see people say it because it shows I'm not wasting my time, anyone who reads this' time, and forum space heh. Especially from the first person who came along and gave me several helping pointers
Could it be called an Update?
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/ ... rman-4.png[/IMG]
Slightly revamped hands, some minor shading changes to the 3pix (right) version near the neck/head.
I have more to do, there's still some things that even I can see that might need to be resolved and I don't have the patience tonight. I've also been told the abs look like pillows so I'll be attempting to clear that up as well best I can.
As always thanks for the comments and keep 'em coming!
sixtyandaquarter
Member
I'm iffy on the shoulders. I'll try it but every attempt thus far made his shoulders appear way too low. Possibly just my past attempts.
Tonights looking to be a horrible night, and as shown I've made some of the biggest progress and horrible nights, so who knows I just might make it.
I'll edit this thread if needed later on.
Tonights looking to be a horrible night, and as shown I've made some of the biggest progress and horrible nights, so who knows I just might make it.
I'll edit this thread if needed later on.
Blood_Puppet
Member
People have leg muscles, by the way. On the contrary, make the abs less defined. You got them all wrong; on people they bulge, they don't sink in. I can see how it could be taken as ribs, but to do that you'd have to extend the highlights down to the crotch more to distract from that impression on his abdomen... Ribs arc out away from the front of the abdomen, not in an upside down "U" as you have it.
http://www.hellerwork.com/archives/images/S2muscles.jpg[/IMG]
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency ... e/8704.jpg[/IMG]
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency ... e/8704.jpg[/IMG]
Zetaraptor03
Member
How are things coming? We haven't had an update in a week....
Zetaraptor03
Member
I hate to double post, but how are things going? I see you got a new name. How is this template doing? I thought we would see a full charset...