Teenage Pregnancy

[Olivia]

If he's a stoner or a drinker, it's not a good idea to have a child with him. at the same if he's trying to do something to stop you from doing the responsible and better thing, I'm sorry but he should try to change that attitude, because it's a child; a human being like you and me, not a pet.

 

[Dissonance]

If he's a stoner or a drinker, it's not a good idea to have a child with him. at the same if he's trying to do something to stop you from doing the responsible and better thing, I'm sorry but he should try to change that attitude, because it's a child; a human being like you and me, not a pet.

It's not a human being yet.

FALCON PUNCH is the only option.

 

[Olivia]

Hehe, pro-abortionists don't want it to be a baby. But when it's born or pre-maturely born then it's still a baby, if you kill it then it's murder. :lol: In my opinion, if it has a heartbeat, it's a living thing, a human being, just isn't near fully formed yet. (Heck i'm only 15, i'm not fully formed yet. XD)

But let's not turn this into an abortion debate shall we? A new topic should fix that.

 

[___]

I'm stupid and got knocked up myself :x I don't want it but I don't wanna kill it either. Adopted parents are just as good or bad as real parents. It's mainly men who are abusive because they don't feel the same connection women do.

And ehh.. In my defense I didn't think I could have kids. My doctor said I couldn't. She said because my periods were so irregular I couldn't have them. And BC would help regulate them but it put a lump in my breast and I flipped out and stopped taking them. Granny died of breastcancer ._.

Nowww I'm in a pinch. I hope I'll feel differently when its born. Right now my boyfriend is pressuring me to give it up for adoption even though I feel morally inclined to keep it. I love him a lot and this is building up a lot of resentment from me to him. Hes a stoner so It took me almost 2 years to get pregnant. Since his sperm is as retarded as he is -_-

Well now that you're faced with reality, the one thing I can recommend to you is do not take advice about it from people in internet forums!  For the love of all that is good.

 

[Dissonance]

Hehe, pro-abortionists don't want it to be a baby. But when it's born or pre-maturely born then it's still a baby, if you kill it then it's murder. :lol: In my opinion, if it has a heartbeat, it's a living thing, a human being, just isn't near fully formed yet. (Heck i'm only 15, i'm not fully formed yet. XD)

But let's not turn this into an abortion debate shall we? A new topic should fix that.

post-birth babies shouldn't even be considered people until they've gained the ability to think critically (anywhere in between 10 and 14, though the upper rage is being extended for a lot of people - see 'blonde stereotype').

Though a more logical and less er, authoritarian way to look at it would be this - don't check for the 'heartbeat'.  The idea of heartbeat = alive is a throwback to when everybody thought the center of human intelligence/consciousness/emotion was the heart, rather than the brain.  Now that we know that the brain is the seat of the mind, an unborn fetus can be judged as a human being or not whenever their brain has developed enough to have sentience.

 

[___]

That's even less effective than heartbeat for a measure, Dissonance, since the vast majority of people have only the vaguest idea of what constitutes "sentience" or sapience or consciousness or whatever term you like (we did this in another thread a bit ago), and furthermore even the best people in neuroscience have barely more than a fuzzy model of what parts of the brain are involved in it.  If that's going to be the ruler you want to use you're going to have to ask all pregnant mothers considering abortions to hold on for, oh, say, a couple decades while we get it worked out :P

 

[Red Dawn]

A new-born baby is less self-aware and intelligent than livestock. So, if you're against abortion because 'you're killing a person', then you'd better be a vegetarian.

 

[Dissonance]

That's even less effective than heartbeat for a measure, Dissonance, since the vast majority of people have only the vaguest idea of what constitutes "sentience" or sapience or consciousness or whatever term you like (we did this in another thread a bit ago), and furthermore even the best people in neuroscience have barely more than a fuzzy model of what parts of the brain are involved in it.  If that's going to be the ruler you want to use you're going to have to ask all pregnant mothers considering abortions to hold on for, oh, say, a couple decades while we get it worked out :P

then kill babies now until we have proper information and then say sorry later if we were wrong????

That's been the general trend thus far concerning other things.

 

[Olivia]

Oh, I see. So people who were born brain-dead also aren't human, because basically what you are saying is, it doesn't think or have much conciousness; KILL IT!

 

[___]

Er, actually I am a vegetarian and I am ethically (not politically) against abortion, and I do think people born vegetables aren't really people.  Sorry to say, but why society should go out of its way to keep a mindless lump of barely animate flesh alive is just beyond my comprehension when it used to be a person, let alone when it was born that way.  I have instructed my wife and family to pull the fucking plug, I don't want my body made into a mockery of life personally... 

@Red Dawn:  to me it's more about potential for life and intelligence.  Given a thousand years a cow is never going to start talking, given a million years a rock is never going to contemplate its own existence.  Nonetheless I don't support illegalization for the simple point that making it illegal doesn't make it go away, it just closes off avenues of discussion and further puts at risk the health and safety of young women in bad situations.

Anyway that's way off topic from teenage pregnancy, we need to steer this back in the right direction or get into an abortion thread.

 

[Red Dawn]

I wasn't speaking literally. I was mocking people who are against abortion, who claim 'it's wrong to kill a person', but think it's fine to torture and slaughter thousands of cows, chickens, sheep etc, when those animals are more intelligent - and, in my opinion, more of a person (maybe not a human one, but still) than a new-born little ball of flesh and crying.

 

[Olivia]

Yes, I'm sure. But there's a difference, we hunt animals morally only for food. We don't eat dead foetuses.

 

[Dissonance]

Oh, I see. So people who were born brain-dead also aren't human, because basically what you are saying is, it doesn't think or have much conciousness; KILL IT!

Actually, yes.

Veggie people are a bottomless pit into which we throw endless amounts of money.  If there's little to no chance of them recovering, kill them.

 

[iceplosion]

Oh, I see. So people who were born brain-dead also aren't human, because basically what you are saying is, it doesn't think or have much conciousness; KILL IT!

Actually, yes.

Veggie people are a bottomless pit into which we throw endless amounts of money.  If there's little to no chance of them recovering, kill them.

People are always more important than any amount of money, money isn't even real it's an IOU from the government that we appointed, its only purpose was to allow a stable trading system in society.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

Money may not be real, but debt and taxes certainly are.
I'm all for people discussing pulling the plug and what is generally called mercy killings involving the elderly or the comatose, but I think that would be served better in another thread.
Just stepping in before we get hijacked into that notion :thumb:

 

[obsidian desire]

My Girlfriend got Pregnant when i was 15 and she was 16. We used protection. I was not completely surprised to find out as we had an active sex life (yes, i realise i was underage, but this has only been in the past 6 months, and police in the UK overlook anyone above 15) and had been together roughly 6 months ourselves. Unluckily for me I had just moved 35 miles away and so saw her less often. I told her  that the kindest thing to do for all three of us (baby included) was to have an abortion. Yes, I would love to be a father someday, however today, this year, or even the next 10 years is not the time for me. My stepdad had his first child in his mid 40's and it still completely stuffed up his life.
The point I'm trying to make, is that me and this girl have broken up now. I realised that with me moving the relationship probably wouldn't last very long. At first she was adamant at keeping it, she eventually saw sense and had an abortion. It was tough on us both to do it, but also the kindest thing to do.
I believe most teenage girls in the UK have this romantic notion in their heads of having this child and all the nice stuff that go's with it, and non of the responsability. I know the reality being the eldest of five and the second eldest being 3.
It doesn't help that (and I hate to say this), a vast majority of pregnant teenage girls are fairly promiscious and believe that "If you pull out before you cum" or "if i'm due on my period" or "if i just came off my period" you arn't going to get pregnant. The threat is still there (admittedly less so) and protection should always be used, moreso to stop the risk of STI's. Also doesn't help that usually pregnant teenagers have parents that just don't care and probably will look after the baby themseleves and leave the teenager to go out drinking on the streets the day after.

And before people go off on rants. All these are based  upon people I know/have known personally and discussed this with.

 

[Dissonance]

People are always more important than any amount of money, money isn't even real it's an IOU from the government that we appointed, its only purpose was to allow a stable trading system in society.

Actually, no.  It's quite obvious just by looking at how our world operates that money is vastly important than people.  People have prices after all, and lives are traded away for other things all the time.  Welcome to Earth circa 2008.

or "if i just came off my period" you arn't going to get pregnant.

This is actually true, but the immunity period is, if you're lucky, a day.  It's literally a game of hours and minutes.

 

[Red Dawn]

Yes, I'm sure. But there's a difference, we hunt animals morally only for food. We don't eat dead foetuses.

Yeah, because we'd all starve to death or die from malnutrition if we didn't eat meat. We don't have to kill those animals. And we don't have to let that barely-conscious little piece of life-disrupting baby continue to childhood with our love and support behind it (from the view of somebody with an unwanted pregnancy).
What do you think makes humans qualify to live while cows die?
Why is slaughtering a pig not murder, but killing a human is? Why are humans awarded 'rights' while every other animal doesn't deserve the same luxury? What if chickens gave each other rights, then we violate chicken rights (as opposed to human rights) by enslaving them, stealing from them, then finally murdering them and eating their corpses. You do that to a person, you're in for some serious jail time. But to thousands of poor little chickens? It doesn't even matter, because humans are superior.

 

[obsidian desire]

People are always more important than any amount of money, money isn't even real it's an IOU from the government that we appointed, its only purpose was to allow a stable trading system in society.

Actually, no.  It's quite obvious just by looking at how our world operates that money is vastly important than people.  People have prices after all, and lives are traded away for other things all the time.  Welcome to Earth circa 2008.

or "if i just came off my period" you arn't going to get pregnant.

This is actually true, but the immunity period is, if you're lucky, a day.  It's literally a game of hours and minutes.

Taking your opinion on board of course, but I've been taught that the Semen can remain in the woman for several days without dying, which kinda negates your point :/

I could be wrong however, as has been stated, my generation just arn't taught enough about sex these days (god I sound old)

 

[Dissonance]

Taking your opinion on board of course, but I've been taught that the Semen can remain in the woman for several days without dying, which kinda negates your point :/

I could be wrong however, as has been stated, my generation just arn't taught enough about sex these days (god I sound old)

No, you're right.  Which makes it even less trustworthy because you don't know if the sperm is going to stick around or not (sometimes it doesn't.)