RuneScape gets a graphical update :o

[handsome lamb]

What part of "No Bashing" don't you people understand? 

I realize that Runescape does have craploads of idiotic twelve year olds in the midst of it's userbase, but the gameplay isn't really that bad.  I mean, if you don't like Runescape's battles, then you should HATE Rpg Maker.  Besides, this is a bandwagon thing anyways. 

the fact that the OP doesn't own the topic??? would you rather the topic just be a dick stroke topic?

edit:
i mean

runescape...bestestgam...

 

[rexxzecutioner]

Besides, this is a bandwagon thing anyways. 

Is it also a bandwagon thing to hate rapists and murderers just because "everyone else is doing it?" I think not.

Don't discredit subjective observations simply because you disagree with them, or invalidate them by claiming them as not legitimate opinions.

 

[Ellie]

What part of "No Bashing" don't you people understand? 

I realize that Runescape does have craploads of idiotic twelve year olds in the midst of it's userbase, but the gameplay isn't really that bad.  I mean, if you don't like Runescape's battles, then you should HATE Rpg Maker.  Besides, this is a bandwagon thing anyways. 

the fact that the OP doesn't own the topic??? would you rather the topic just be a dick stroke topic?

edit:
i mean

runescape...bestestgam...

Don't worry, I meant "no bashing" as in don't just post "lawl runescape suxx gtfo" without posting any proof, or reasons, or attempts at the English language. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but there are ways of portraying those opinions that are better than others.




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Personally, in my opinion, RuneScape is a great game. It is good for wasteing time (you can log out at any time pretty much, just not right in the middle of a battle), it's good for talking to friends over without having to download some crappy messenger system, and it's helped me keep in touch with people who've left my area who I otherwise wouldn't have heard from again.

The new graphics, though they seem flashy, I think will actually hurt the game. The whole point is the crappy graphics mean that RuneScape will run on almost any computer. Though, they are keeping the old graphics, there'll just by "High Detail", "Low Detail", and "SuperMegaHappyDance Detail" options.

Maybe it helps to be a member to appreciate RuneScape, or other games like this. I mean, WoW probably sucks to someone who's only played the 14-day trial. (Never played it however).

Also of course, RuneScape inspired me to create Vengeance with the goal of a commercial and online game, which is an awesome concept. (The concept, not the game, don't mean to blow my own trumpet (metaphorically)).

 

[Prexus]

Shit wrapped in a pretty pink bow remains to be shit. Despite the trend that gamers are incredibly focused on graphics, that isn't generally the case. No amount of graphics can overcome a lack of game play, and RuneScape's attempt at rekindling its flame with a shit-poor graphical update only proves that it can't compete.

 

[handsome lamb]

Personally, in my opinion, RuneScape is a great game. It is good for wasteing time (you can log out at any time pretty much, just not right in the middle of a battle), it's good for talking to friends over without having to download some crappy messenger system, and it's helped me keep in touch with people who've left my area who I otherwise wouldn't have heard from again.

You know there is Facebook for that too! Also, you can get Miranda IM, it's a very small messenger client for all messengers, that uses like no resources.

Maybe it helps to be a member to appreciate RuneScape, or other games like this. I mean, WoW probably sucks to someone who's only played the 14-day trial. (Never played it however).

Been there, done that.

It still offers nothing that no other MMO does, except really basic gameplay to kill time. Something every other MMO also does, except generally better because they aren't restricted to a browser.

 

[mawk]

I never found Runescape fun. It's like a real-time economic discrepancy simulator. Little is done to keep the people who've been able to stand it long enough to level from getting fabulously wealthy with all the mining, smithing, fishing, etc. skills they've earned, and thus inflation in the user-driven marketplace pretty much bites your head off.

It also strikes me as a little strange that the only real goal most people have with the game is to Get Rich. If you've Gotten Rich, you've succeeded at the game. I guess this is because aside from the economy, what is there but Getting Rich? The battle system and gameplay are incredibly dull -- click on an enemy, it dies. Click on the ground, you move. You find some things and use them to cook a steak. Really, the only thing the game offers that it does reasonably well is a basic economy, and I really don't think an economy simulator is much fun.

 

[Plubyblop]

It also strikes me as a little strange that the only real goal most people have with the game is to Get Rich. If you've Gotten Rich, you've succeeded at the game. I guess this is because aside from the economy, what is there but Getting Rich? The battle system and gameplay are incredibly dull -- click on an enemy, it dies. Click on the ground, you move. You find some things and use them to cook a steak. Really, the only thing the game offers that it does reasonably well is a basic economy, and I really don't think an economy simulator is much fun.

This is probably a major reason they're making this update;  if you haven't heard, just recently they took complete control of their market.  It's no longer a free market. Basically; there is now a 3k trading limit, you can't trade anything for anything outside 3k its "value" (which is supposedly determined by the players, but to a great extent it's determined by Jagex).  They've taken out the wilderness, so you can't kill people and take their stuff, and any other way you could conceivably give something to someone else for under it's value has been taken out.

I'm guessing this is really more of a desperate attempt to get some of there members back, since Runescape is seemingly dying now.  Kind of a shame. Though a lot of their game did suck; I've found very few games that had quests quite so enjoyable as Runescape's, especially among MMO's.  It would have been nice if they could have fixed up the rest of their game before killing themselves.

 

[mawk]

So, wait, now they've taken down the only thing that was keeping people interested without making any improvements to the gimped battle system or gameplay?

Rest in peace, then, Runescape.

 

[Stardust]

I was a member of Runescape about three years ago, and then just last year they brought back the summoning topic, so I became a member in preparation.  In the meantime, I joined a clan, which was basically, "Yeah, you can reach level 99!!"  Ugh, that kind of optimism bothers me.  Anyway, summoning came out, but it sucked, like pretty much everything else.  It's the same repetitive crap that the game, and most MMOs thrive on.  I gave up the membership (because the game was just as boring as before) and I wanted to stay on the clan website.  Even if I wasn't on Runescape, they still had other things to talk about.  The leader excommunicated me, which was the final straw.  I wouldn't be banned here just because I don't use RPG Maker anymore.  I still have things to contribute, even if I'm not actively using the program for myself.  Overall, the immaturity there was annoying as hell.  Every few steps you'd get someone bugging you for free stuff, clans were comprised of extremely dedicated members (which I never was), and clans didn't really have a legal way of getting together.  Runescape doesn't allow website names to be given out, even though they still do.  How can you have a clan with no website for information, sign-up, talking, etc.?

Anyway, I now hate Runescape.  The only MMORPG I've ever liked was FFXI, but that was $14 a month and you had to spend at least 2 hours at a time on it to get anywhere after level 13 because you had to find a party, join up, go to a training area, and that took around a half hour to an hour, depending on who's on.  I'm not someone who can just sit down for 2-5 hours and play a game.  I have stuff to do.

Wow, that was longer than I anticipated.  Sorry for going off into my own world for this post.

 

[Phoenix]

It also strikes me as a little strange that the only real goal most people have with the game is to Get Rich. If you've Gotten Rich, you've succeeded at the game. I guess this is because aside from the economy, what is there but Getting Rich? The battle system and gameplay are incredibly dull -- click on an enemy, it dies. Click on the ground, you move. You find some things and use them to cook a steak. Really, the only thing the game offers that it does reasonably well is a basic economy, and I really don't think an economy simulator is much fun.

This is probably a major reason they're making this update;  if you haven't heard, just recently they took complete control of their market.  It's no longer a free market. Basically; there is now a 3k trading limit, you can't trade anything for anything outside 3k its "value" (which is supposedly determined by the players, but to a great extent it's determined by Jagex).  They've taken out the wilderness, so you can't kill people and take their stuff, and any other way you could conceivably give something to someone else for under it's value has been taken out.

I'm guessing this is really more of a desperate attempt to get some of there members back, since Runescape is seemingly dying now.  Kind of a shame. Though a lot of their game did suck; I've found very few games that had quests quite so enjoyable as Runescape's, especially among MMO's.  It would have been nice if they could have fixed up the rest of their game before killing themselves.

The people claims its due to gold selling.
They're rule nazis and seem to trade everything instead of just tracking down the companies.
WoW only made minor changes to get rid of this, most of it being in-game ways to quickly report spaming and ignoring people that you don't really like.

 

[Dopples]

It also strikes me as a little strange that the only real goal most people have with the game is to Get Rich. If you've Gotten Rich, you've succeeded at the game. I guess this is because aside from the economy, what is there but Getting Rich? The battle system and gameplay are incredibly dull -- click on an enemy, it dies. Click on the ground, you move. You find some things and use them to cook a steak. Really, the only thing the game offers that it does reasonably well is a basic economy, and I really don't think an economy simulator is much fun.

This is probably a major reason they're making this update;  if you haven't heard, just recently they took complete control of their market.  It's no longer a free market. Basically; there is now a 3k trading limit, you can't trade anything for anything outside 3k its "value" (which is supposedly determined by the players, but to a great extent it's determined by Jagex).  They've taken out the wilderness, so you can't kill people and take their stuff, and any other way you could conceivably give something to someone else for under it's value has been taken out.

I'm guessing this is really more of a desperate attempt to get some of there members back, since Runescape is seemingly dying now.  Kind of a shame. Though a lot of their game did suck; I've found very few games that had quests quite so enjoyable as Runescape's, especially among MMO's.  It would have been nice if they could have fixed up the rest of their game before killing themselves.

The people claims its due to gold selling.
They're rule nazis and seem to trade everything instead of just tracking down the companies.
WoW only made minor changes to get rid of this, most of it being in-game ways to quickly report spaming and ignoring people that you don't really like.

FFXI's emplyed methods to get rid of gold sellers as well. Most spots that are potential money makers are guarded by special mobs that are pretty weak (At lvl 10, a duo of a Warrior and a White Mage can take em), but since most RMTs are pretty much under-equipped (And lvl 1), they've thinned out everywhere. They've also made fishing more interactive,  which has helped the problem greatly. While there's no real way to get rid of them without imposing on the player's experiance, it's certainly quite possible to limit their activities.

 

[Ellie]

The difference is, that WoW stopped it before it became big. RuneScape, though they tried to solve the issue when it appeared, did not anticipate it to become as big as it did. So, when they eventually got out of hand, their attempts at stopping it were infutile as the market had grown so much. If you get what I mean.

Like trying to kill a virus.

Jagex: Made a game.
Macroers: Macroed it.
Jagex: Made the screen move.
Macroers: Made their macroes compensate for this.
J: Made rules against it, and a report system.
M: Created more accounts. (Can't ban 'em all!)
J: Tracked trades to see if they are unfair.
M: Drop-traded instead.
J: Tracked drop-trades.
M: Traded by letting themselves die in the Wilderness to the hands of the other peeps.
J: Disallowed non-combat items in Wildy.
M: Traded by staking unfairly in the Duel Arena instead.


By now of course, anyone here log in just before the big update? It was a hell-hole. Seriously. You couldn't do anything without seeing 100 "baldies" (macroers) in the same spot.

Smart macroes too. If they saw the little crown of a Player Moderator, or hear someone say "mod", they immediately logged off of the game.

Plus there's the bad publicity of finding out your game is, in the background, the reason for several sweatshops in China and elsewhere, where people farm your game for "gold" which they then sell to players.

If nothing had been done when they did, the game would have died.

Plus, the servers couldn't handle that many people doing exactly the same thing at the same time!

So they did a final push, a final big blow to real-world-traders. This also "killed the game" for many people, but then if they had done nothing the game would be dead anyway.

They got rid of unbalanced trades. They got rid of staking in the duel arena. They got rid of PvP with looting.



The lesson?

Deal with real world trading as soon as it starts up, don't let it grow. If you get an unbeatable virus in your leg, cut your f'ing leg off at the first occassion, or it'll keep coming back! (The virus not your leg).





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[Dann Woolf]

You know why I hate RuneScape?

You go up to an NPC, you try to talk to him and he goes "FUCK YOU, I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT A MEMBER"

Try to open a door, and you get a message saying "LOL, THIS DOOR CAN ONLY BE OPENED BY MEMBERS"

Try to use an item and guess what? "HAY DIPSHIT ONLY MEMBERS CAN USE THIS ITEM"

And last time I checked, only members can post on the Fagex forum.

Oh wow, for only 5 smackers a month I can access three times the amount of utter shit AND talk to endless swarms of 13-year-old boys, now that's good value! Not.

 

[Ellie]

Jagex are a company. They are not there to please you, they are there to make money. How else can they make money other than... making money?

Sorry, but from your post, you seem to be saying:

"Baaaaaaaaaawwwwwwww I'm a little kid and want everything for free."

At least they have a free game, unlike Guild Wars, World of Warcraft, or other commercial MMO's out there.

 

[Dann Woolf]

Jagex are a company. They are not there to please you, they are there to make money. How else can they make money other than... making money?

Sorry, but from your post, you seem to be saying:

"Baaaaaaaaaawwwwwwww I'm a little kid and want everything for free."

At least they have a free game, unlike Guild Wars, World of Warcraft, or other commercial MMO's out there.

1: Technically they ARE there to please people. You know the saying "you catch more flies with sugar than vinegar"? If a company wants my money they better make sure I want their product.

2: I'm 18, actually. 19 in June. And I don't exactly have deep pockets. If I spent money on everything that catches my eye I'd be broker than broke.

3: Free game my fat hairy ass. More like 1/3 of a game. And the difference between RuneScape and say, World of Warcraft is that WoW is a game that comes in a box, on a CD, with manuals and shit. You have to install it onto your PC and everything. RuneScape is a poorly-made flash/java/I-don't-really-give-a-fuck-what-it's-made-in game that's played in a browser. You're comparing beef jerky to roast beef, pal. That shit won't fly.

 

[rexxzecutioner]

Jagex are a company. They are not there to please you, they are there to make money. How else can they make money other than... making money?

At least they have a free game, unlike Guild Wars, World of Warcraft, or other commercial MMO's out there.

Sorry but that is sort of a non-sequitor. They should aim to please the people, the consumers of their product. If they fail to do that then they fail to become a company that has any hopes for profit. Of course they appeal to kids and people who either have no time or the money to afford to play any other sort of game that would offer similar things; however there are very definite and apparent pitfalls within their service. They don't seem to care all that much about keeping any sort of user base... and well, apart from this minor graphic update, there really isn't much that you can get from RuneScape that you can't also get from countless other free MMO's that do it even better.

You're comparing beef jerky to roast beef, pal. That shit won't fly.

I don't know which is supposed to be which, but I like beef jerky better

 

[Dann Woolf]

I don't know which is supposed to be which, but I like beef jerky better

So you need another metaphor?

Comparing RS to bigger MMORPGs like WoW is like comparing a week-old biscuit to an extravagant wedding cake, or Meet the Spartans to American Pie, or a broken-down, rusty car from the 70's to a sleek, sexy, brand-spanking-new Ferrari.

Do you understand my point now?

 

[rexxzecutioner]

Please read my post above yours that addresses Commander Wyatt, and understand that I did not need another metaphor. Shit, doesn't anyone know a tongue-in-cheek response when they see one?

 

[Despain]

I don't know which is supposed to be which, but I like beef jerky better

So you need another metaphor?

Comparing RS to bigger MMORPGs like WoW is like comparing a week-old biscuit to an extravagant wedding cake, or Meet the Spartans to American Pie, or a broken-down, rusty car from the 70's to a sleek, sexy, brand-spanking-new Ferrari.

Do you understand my point now?

Those are horrible metaphors for that comparison. It's more like comparing a crap that a cat would take to a crap that i would take. mine is a lot bigger and fancier, but either way they're both crap.

 

[Ellie]

1: Technically they ARE there to please people. You know the saying "you catch more flies with sugar than vinegar"? If a company wants my money they better make sure I want their product.

Sorry but that is sort of a non-sequitor. They should aim to please the people, the consumers of their product. If they fail to do that then they fail to become a company that has any hopes for profit. Of course they appeal to kids and people who either have no time or the money to afford to play any other sort of game that would offer similar things; however there are very definite and apparent pitfalls within their service. They don't seem to care all that much about keeping any sort of user base... and well, apart from this minor graphic update, there really isn't much that you can get from RuneScape that you can't also get from countless other free MMO's that do it even better.

Yes, but you, free players, are not the customers. The customer is the one that is paying £3.20 a month, who they are at least trying to please. They are also trying to make you want their product - if you could get everything for free, why would you pay £3.20 a month?

2: I'm 18, actually. 19 in June. And I don't exactly have deep pockets. If I spent money on everything that catches my eye I'd be broker than broke.

Hence the "seem"

3: Free game my fat hairy ass. More like 1/3 of a game. And the difference between RuneScape and say, World of Warcraft is that WoW is a game that comes in a box, on a CD, with manuals and shit. You have to install it onto your PC and everything. RuneScape is a poorly-made flash/java/I-don't-really-give-a-fuck-what-it's-made-in game that's played in a browser. You're comparing beef jerky to roast beef, pal. That shit won't fly.

1/3 of a game is still a game. (Like... a glass of water 1/3 the size of a glass of water, is still a glass of water, as there is no set size for a glass of water to test the other one by).




Sorry for getting caught up in a quote war.

Comparing RS to bigger MMORPGs like WoW is like comparing a week-old biscuit to an extravagant wedding cake, or Meet the Spartans to American Pie, or a broken-down, rusty car from the 70's to a sleek, sexy, brand-spanking-new Ferrari.

Do you understand my point now?

RuneScape: 1 million paid members, 10 million free members, by 2007 statistics
WoW: 10 million overall members (all paid)

While more are paying for WoW, both are around about equal size. So calling one the bigger game is rubbish.




A better, if overused, metaphor, would be...

Ferrari vs Ford.

You buy a Ferrari, it costs you a lot, and all you get is a way of wasting time and getting from A to B.
You buy WoW, it costs a lot, and all you get is a way of wasting time. (Which is what playing a game is).

You buy a Ford, it costs a lot less than the Ferrari, and doesn't look as nice. It isn't as fast or anything, but still does the job.
This is your RuneScape.





These are, of course, just my opinions.

Oh and sorry for the line spacing, I'm trying to make this less like a giant wall of text, as all my posts seem to tend to be.