Religion, what do you think?

[Marc1k1]

Well, any religion in my eyes is ok.

If your that devoted to it then ok you know its fine as long as your not indoctrinating people into that religion or hating on others for not being in it then its fine with me.

Religion and im sorry if this annouys anybody but its just opinion because you cant add facts to it really so seeing as its opinion everybody is intiteld to have their own religion without pressure to believe in it or be hated for not believing in it.

Personally im an Atheist which to me defines somebody who dose not believe in any kind of God or higher being, I would like to think that being an Atheist dosen't give of the idea that im going to be threating to anybody who is of a religion because I know that lots of Atheist are very closed minded and will battle religious people to the death to try and prove that their god is not real...

However fighting about if a certain religion is true or not is and would be a never ending fight because there are no facts to say, Nope no god... (althought there is evolution but even then that dosen't prove all religions wrong infact it probebly dosent prove christanity wrong because what if god make evolution? big ass scientist in the sky?) Also there is no proof/evidence to say Yeah, gods real all right...

So what im trying to say is there's no point fighting about it just get the heck on with life and believe what you want to believe just respect others opinions as well.

 

[Incognitus]

For a group of paleontologists, a tour of the Creation Museum seemed like a great tongue-in-cheek way to cap off a serious conference.

But while there were a few laughs and some clowning for the camera, most left more offended than amused by the frightening way in which evolution -- and their life's work -- was attacked.

"It's sort of a monument to scientific illiteracy, isn't it?" said Jerry Lipps, professor of geology, paleontology and evolution at University of California, Berkeley.

"Like Sunday school with statues... this is a special brand of religion here. I don't think even most mainstream Christians would believe in this interpretation of Earth's history."

The 27 million dollar, 70,000-square-foot (6,500-square-metre) museum which has been dubbed a "creationist Disneyland" has attracted 715,000 visitors since it opened in mid-2007 with a vow to "bring the pages of the Bible to life."

Its presents a literal interpretation of the Bible and argues that believing otherwise leads to moral relativism and the destruction of social values.

Creationism is a theory not supported by most mainstream Christian churches.

Lisa Park of the University of Akron cried at one point as she walked a hallway full of flashing images of war, famine and natural disasters which the museum blames on belief in evolution.

"I think it's very bad science and even worse theology -- and the theology is far more offensive to me," said Park, a professor of paleontology who is an elder in the Presbyterian Church.

"I think there's a lot of focus on fear, and I don't think that's a very Christian message... I find it a malicious manipulation of the public."

Phil Jardine posed for a picture below a towering, toothy dinosaur display.

The museum argues that the fossil record has been misinterpreted and that Tyrannosaurus rex was a vegetarian before Adam and Eve bit into that sin-inducing apple.

Jardine, a palaeobiologist graduate student from the University of Birmingham, was having fun on the tour, but told a reporter that he was disturbed by the museum's cartoonish portrayal of scientists and teachers.

"I feel very sorry for teachers when the children who come here start guessing if what they're being taught is wrong," Jardine said.

Arnie Miller, a palentologist at the University of Cincinnati who was chairman of the convention, said he hoped the tour would introduce the scientists to "the lay of the land" and show them firsthand what's being put forth in a place that has elicited vehement criticism from the scientific community.

"I think in some cases, people were surprised by the physical quality of the exhibits, but needless to say, they were unhappy with things that are inaccurately portrayed," he said.

"And there was a feeling of unhappiness, too, about the extent to which mainstream scientists and evolutionists are demonized -- that if you don't accept the Answers in Genesis vision of the history of Earth and life, you're contributing to the ills of society and of the church."

Daryl Domning, professor of anatomy at Howard University, held his chin and shook his head at several points during the tour.

"This bothers me as a scientist and as a Christian, because it's just as much a distortion and misrepresentation of Christianity as it is of science," he said.

"It's not your old-time religion by any means."

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Paleontolo ... 02009.html

 

[Marc1k1]

What the heck!?!?

I swear I posted in this topic yesterday..


But where?? >.>' --- <.<' ---- >.>'

 

[Incognitus]

What the heck!?!?

I swear I posted in this topic yesterday..


But where?? >.>' --- <.<' ---- >.>'

Page 10?

 

[Love]

Wow, I am surprised by the number of those who said that they don't have a religion. It's amazing. O_O

Personally, I am a muslim, and I strongly believe in my religion. I totally hate the idea of "My religion is the right one, yours is wrong. Convert." I believe in my religion and yes, I believe it's the right one but I shouldn't judge others' religions. They have their beliefs and ideas, who am I to change them or to judge?

On the point of the whole religion idea, I think religion is important in our lives but it shouldn't be taken to the limits. I think it should be a matter of life, which is taken care of but not the most important thing or not follow it everywhere. I like my religion and I am very pleased with it and I try to follow it well but not be a total isolated person because of this, walking around saying "This is wrong, don't it! Religion says bla bla bla..."

Religion has it's importance, whether it's realized by people or not. But I totally disbelieve in the idea of science or that religion is man-made. There ARE some man-made religions but not all of them.

 

[Guest]

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[Zelfouz]

Religion scares me sometimes. Actually, groupthink in general scares me, religion just happens to be an easy example. You get a mob of people and suddenly they no longer think about anything, they go with what they think the group wants rather than what they personally should know is ethical. It's dangerous and leads to the "us vs. them" mentality that yields conflict and discrimination.

 

[Incognitus]

Do you believe in the Devil? If you do do you think he is evil like RELIGION says? Remember, the only people who say he is evil is religion, and they also think anyone who thinks otherwise is some kind of Devil worshipper.

Something that's always stuck with me is one of the things Ivan Karamazov suggests in Dostoevsky's "The Brothers Karamazov".

He paraphrases the sentiment that was best expressed by Voltaire, that, actually, Man created God in his image and takes it further when he notes that man created God as an aspirant, as the ideal man or man as he would like to thing of himself as being.
Because of the sadistic ways people will treat each other - like the Inquisitors or Witch-burners who enjoyed their work -and there general cruelness, it was in fact, the Devil that was created by man as a reflection of his own nature.

 

[tgman]

Religion scares me sometimes. Actually, groupthink in general scares me, religion just happens to be an easy example. You get a mob of people and suddenly they no longer think about anything, they go with what they think the group wants rather than what they personally should know is ethical. It's dangerous and leads to the "us vs. them" mentality that yields conflict and discrimination.

actually thats quite simmular to what happened in Stephen kings book the mist, anyone read it? seen the film?

 

[Gray]

Personaly, what I think about religion?

Religion is a tool.

A tool to make money.

A tool to kill.

A tool to deceive.

In WW2, hitler killed 6 million people, because they were jewish.
In the holy crusades, thousands were killed, because they weren't christian.
The romans killed people in colloseums... because they were christian.
The situation in Ireland too, Catholics vs Prodestants, lives have been lost.
The man who killed John Lennon killed him because he said that the Beatles were bigger than Jesus.

Throughout history, and inevitabley before records began, there's been slaughter sprees, due to religion.

I'm not even sure anymore, whether guns have killed more people, or religion has.

Sure, people find religion as a way of coping, but that's the only positive aspect that I can think of.

Sorry if my opinion offends anyone.

 

[mawk]

gray: professional coolkid atheist

uses hell of line breaks and overly melodramatic language... to get the job done

From a logical point of view, Agnosticism is the only logical belief as we have no concrete proof on this matter and stating we don't know is the only "true" answer"\.

logical

belief

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dogg the very concept of faith excludes the presence of logic or proof. if you have proof then you're not following a faith, you're just seeing what's readily apparent.

honestly I am kind of :|ing at you right now because I thought people had enough brains in their heads by this point to stop bringing up lack of proof in a religious context. there are good arguments to be made in either direction, but this isn't one of them.

 

[Gray]

gray: professional coolkid atheist

uses hell of line breaks and overly melodramatic language... to get the job done

Just trying to get the point across. :biggrin:

 

[mawk]

honestly, gray, I get your point, but you gotta understand that in most of these cases religion was simply an excuse used by the people in charge. in and of themselves, the major religions preach nonviolence and tolerance. for that kind of action to happen, someone has to willfully convince the public that it is their righteous duty to harm other people. zealotry is just one of many means to incite violence against any given thing. you can't argue that religion itself if the problem here; even given the lack of religion as a motivator, the people responsible in most of these cases would have simply found another way to gain supporters. it's just a matter of convenience that religion is always close at hand for that sort of thing.

 

[Gray]

...The situation in Ireland too, Catholics vs Prodestants, lives have been lost.

...The man who killed John Lennon killed him because he said that the Beatles were bigger than Jesus.

Those two examples, religion is the problem. (Or at least part of it). Ok, the man who killed John Lennon did have psycological problems, however if religion hadn't come into his life, he wouldn't have picked up the gun and shot Lennon.

Before records began, I'm sure they killed each other over religion without the help of a leader.

If a man wants to build a war, remove the tools and he is no longer able.

 

[Ellie]

Religion wasn't the only factor in effect in Ireland.

The main issue at hand was always the fact of Britons opressing Irishmen.

Religion became a scapegoat here essentially (and I still maintain that they are the same religion. It's Christianity.)

Britain invades Ireland. Britain are predominantly Protestant, Ireland are mainly Catholic. It becomes 9:1 Irich Catholic to British Protestant. The British control the land, therefore the Protestants control the land. But in essence the problem was the Britishism not the Anglicanism.

 

[Gray]

Regardless, people are still dying in Ireland & Northern Ireland because they're ethier Prodestant or not.

 

[Calibre]

I question anyone that reads the bible back to front and then says "Yeah, that sounds about right."

 

[Guest]

;D

 

[Love]

Regardless, people are still dying in Ireland & Northern Ireland because they're ethier Prodestant or not.

That is not the religion's fault, it is the people's fault. I doubt that there is something in the bible, Quran or Torah or anything that says "Go kill people that are not of your religion." That is pointless.

People really get a bad meaning of the word "religion". Religion is a good thing, but people use it the wrong way. They use it as an excuse to do what they want. But if they have a conscience, and follow their religion the RIGHT way, I doubt that would ever happen.

 

[Calibre]

Religion is a compromise for good parenting.