BlackStaticWolf
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ryanwh said:
Incorrect. A 15 year old CAN consent to sexual activity with another minor. What a 15 year old can't consent to is sex with an adult.
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Incorrect. A 15 year old CAN consent to sexual activity with another minor. What a 15 year old can't consent to is sex with an adult.
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BlueScope said:
Agreed on both counts.
Being that stupid SHOULD be a crime.
15 year olds ARE minors in most places. The average age of consent is 16, though it gets as low as 14 in some countries(like this one Im guessing). So no, its not a universal fact that 15 year olds are consentual. It varies with the opinion of the regions. I personally think 15 year olds dont know a damn thing about anything so this doesnt seem like rape to me and where I live it wouldnt be charged as such.BlackStaticWolf said:
Calibre said:
It's surprising to me! lol.
I live in the U.K as well and the earliest I ever heard of anyone in my circle of friends (and pretty much anyone in my year group) was 14-15. 11 is just ridiculous, anyone who can find an 11 year old sexually attractive anyway has some serious issues.
The fact that this girl smokes 20 a day and is keeping the baby just goes to show the decline of society in general until the U.K is no more than Council Estates.
It makes me feel sick to see that this is how we can be represented across the world. The girl should be put into juvenile prison, the boy locked up and the baby should be taken into care.
@Static: Well, let's say she's sentenced to live her life on... I wouldn't want to do that if I were her (that's why I'm careful with having sex with underaged girls *lol* just kidding). The only person that'll innocently suffer is the child, which'll either be leveled in a few months after birth or become a total slut...
@ Camisado - I guess it really depends on what part of the Uk you are brought up in, or probbaly more correctly the local area itself.
Doesn't anyone think an eleven year old girl, brought up in the wrong area by clearly inappropriate people isn't really that at fault. I live near an area like that and the only reason they do smoke and have sex and misbehave is because they are encouraged to by the people around them, sadly this includes their parents in alot of cases. If they aren't brought up to understand the difference between wrong and right how are they to know. School can't teach them because they aren't allowed to go to school. It has to be remembered how influential older people are on younger children
Doesn't anyone think an eleven year old girl, brought up in the wrong area by clearly inappropriate people isn't really that at fault. I live near an area like that and the only reason they do smoke and have sex and misbehave is because they are encouraged to by the people around them, sadly this includes their parents in alot of cases. If they aren't brought up to understand the difference between wrong and right how are they to know. School can't teach them because they aren't allowed to go to school. It has to be remembered how influential older people are on younger children
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ryanwh said:
You're misunderstanding the meaning of the age of consent. The age of consent is the age at which a person can consent to sex with an ADULT. Being under that age does NOT mean that a child is incapable of consenting to sexual activity period.
I never said that the specific ages were universal... in fact I specified that my specific examples use Florida law. However, the Florida consent laws are based on English common law... which... the UK uses. And seeing as that's where the news story takes place... it's the English laws that apply.
And under English common law, an 11 year old can't consent at all, while a 15 year old can. (several of the other ages are different though)
Agreed about 15 year olds not knowing anything... but... uh... actually... seeing that you live in Virginia... statutory rape cases HAVE been tried in Virginia.
For the most part though, most statutory rapes are bullshit offenses where a 19 year old has sex with with his 15 year old girlfriend who he's been dating for a year or more.
@Calibre: Well, of course it has to do with raise, but with eleven, you should have enough guts to not drink, get fucked and have to quit school for rasing your own child while you're still one...
@Static/ryan: I don't know if it's because you two live in America (I've heard much that sexuality is a bigger taboo theme than elsewhere), but in Germany, most 10yo guys know about sexuality and rape and pregnancy and all about it. They might not know about the n-depth (lol ^_^ ) details, but they know what it's all about. 15yo fucking know what they do if they get it on with a minor, thrust me.
@Static/ryan: I don't know if it's because you two live in America (I've heard much that sexuality is a bigger taboo theme than elsewhere), but in Germany, most 10yo guys know about sexuality and rape and pregnancy and all about it. They might not know about the n-depth (lol ^_^ ) details, but they know what it's all about. 15yo fucking know what they do if they get it on with a minor, thrust me.
Man, I want to know who made up the laws on sex. I mean, who sat down and said "okay... if two kids age 11 have sex it's alright but if a kid age 10 and age 12 have sex IT IS WRONG 2 YEARS APART!!"
Eh, sex is such a fickle thing. Some cultures welcome it while others despise it. Honestly, I don't care what age someone has sex at but there's a fine line between someone who's barely even physically capable and a grown ass adult.
Call me old fashioned, but I always saw sex as an act of love, not physical desire. That's what my right hand is for :D
Eh, sex is such a fickle thing. Some cultures welcome it while others despise it. Honestly, I don't care what age someone has sex at but there's a fine line between someone who's barely even physically capable and a grown ass adult.
Call me old fashioned, but I always saw sex as an act of love, not physical desire. That's what my right hand is for :D
@ bluescope -
I understand why'd you'd think that but they never have the concept of behaving properly put into their head. They are put under immense pressure by everyone they socialise with, who usually happen to be older people they naturally look up to and take on as role model. To alot of them this is the manner that they SHOULD be acting in and it's impossible for them to realise what they are doing is wrong if they have never learnt and understood it is wrong.
@Treg - I couldn't agree more.
I understand why'd you'd think that but they never have the concept of behaving properly put into their head. They are put under immense pressure by everyone they socialise with, who usually happen to be older people they naturally look up to and take on as role model. To alot of them this is the manner that they SHOULD be acting in and it's impossible for them to realise what they are doing is wrong if they have never learnt and understood it is wrong.
@Treg - I couldn't agree more.
@Marcus: It's the same thing as in the cinema's... they won't let you in an above-18 movie if your 18th birthday is tomorrow, because you're far too young to handle with the content... try it the other day *lol*
@Calibre: Well, I've been around these 'peer groups' all my life... I knew smokers when I was that age, and I didn't smoke now. I knew drinkers and most of my friends are, but I'm not drinking. I know that a few of my friends fuck around the clock, and I'm still careful. And if I can, everyone can, I suppose...
@Calibre: Well, I've been around these 'peer groups' all my life... I knew smokers when I was that age, and I didn't smoke now. I knew drinkers and most of my friends are, but I'm not drinking. I know that a few of my friends fuck around the clock, and I'm still careful. And if I can, everyone can, I suppose...
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BlueScope said:
Oh, I don't mean that they're ignorant. I mean that they lack the maturity to be ready for sex... or a great many other things. There's naturally some teenagers who are far more mature than others, but for the most part someone that young just isn't ready to be doing something that can have a huge affect on the rest of their life.
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hmm here sex ed is in grade 5. And i was 10 in grade 5.
@ Bluescope - I'm guessing your parents weren't egging you on too, to do those things though. That being the difference, yeah I grew up with everyone smoking and taking drugs and drinking, stealing, vandalising etc. and had the brains and willpower to not do that, but that came through the way I had been brought up by my own parents.
Well, I think you can't tell that, because it depeds on many factors. You can't teach mental strenght/willpower to anyone, at least to your own childs in puberty, I guess (though I don't have experience with that).
Let's say it depends on bot parental education and the own common sense ^_^
Let's say it depends on bot parental education and the own common sense ^_^
You're from Virginia too? What part?ryanwh said:
I'm from Fredericksburg and I always got pissed off when every female in school said that they were dating some 24 year old college guy. What I thought was sad wasn't the fact that they were dating someone almost 10 years older than them, but the fact that these guys couldn't get any REAL females their own age. The only reason I saw it as a "relationship" is because an older guy can easily get a younger woman to "put out" and a younger woman uses her older boyfriend to "look cool."