ccoa, I don't know when it passed that my reasons for disagreeing with people are defaulted to being less valid than their reasons for disliking something. I thought I laid out my reasoning in a way that was level headed and valid, but I suppose I was wrong. Sucks to be me, I guess.
Maybe my last post is to blame, but hey - I'm usually pretty darned ignorant.
I stand by my statements, though, ignorant fanboy as I am. Most people, generally, who dislike FF12, do so for a reason that is their own fault. Either from approaching it narrow mindedly, or doing things that decrease their enjoyment of the game, when they don't need to do it. If you think automating all your characters fully makes the game boring, don't do it. It's not required, and it's clear it's not the way you want to play. You do not have to grind to finish the game. If you don't like grinding, don't do it. The plot may be shallow compare to other RPGs, but RPGs tend to get out of hand with depth and interrelated characters. Compared to literature - even extremely famous literature, the depth of the plot and the development of the characters is on par. If you don't like the plot, or the story telling style, that's fine, you're welcome to that opinion. But if you think the characters are flat and the story is boring, I think it's necessary to admit that someone is missing something. I saw depth in the characters, and I loved the story.
If that makes me a fanboy, well, I guess I don't care.
As for the last bit of my last post, let me make something clear that you missed. There is a difference between playing a game for 40-60 hours to see the ending, and playing an additional 100-150 hours to beat a boss that gives you nothing but the satisfaction of wasting even more time unnecessarily playing a game you don't like. I hated Halo 2, but I beat it so I could see the ending. I hated Tales of Legendia, but I beat it so I could see the ending. What I didn't do was spend hours beating Halo 2 a second time in hardcore, or go after all the optional bosses in Tales of Legendia.
If you don't like the game, don't play it exhaustively. Now, I would again suggest that you shouldn't continue playing a game that you hate, regardless, but some games we hope deep down may just redeem themselves.
And I love that you, once again, assume that I am condescending and irrational regarding all issues. I don't expect people to finish something to have an opinion of it. I almost didn't finish many games, because I feel no real compulsion to finish a game that I'm not enjoying, except for the category of games I mentioned before. I never finished Suikoden Tactics, Unlimited SaGa, Neo Contra, Drakengard, Devil May Cry 2, Star Ocean 3, most Dragon Quest games, Arc the Lad 2, or Mega Men X Command Mission, but I have pretty strong opinions of dislike that I think are, more or less, perfectly valid, and I don't expect anyone else to finish something before their opinion is formed enough to be worth mentioning.
I've made it clear from the start that I was stating my opinions on this matter, and trying my hardest not to just plain shoot down anyone elses. While I do believe that people who don't like this game are simply missing something, or doing something wrong, I don't see how that belief is condescending or worthy of derision.
To think, I thought your countdown comment was good natured. Guess I'm a bigger idiot than I thought.
Edit: Oh, also, I never finished everything in FFXII - I thought Yiazmat was the boss up on the mountain place thingy. I don't remember the name of the zone. I looked it up online and realized my error ^_^ Didn't help that someone somewhere said he had 500,000 HP or something.
