Child Sexuality

[Dissonance]

So the first thing I do when I get into work today is open internet explorer (lol imma get fired :3 :3 :3) and i'm greeted with a yahoo.ca front page with like FIVE ARTICLES ON SEX, a bunch of them dealing with child sexuality.  A few have scrolled off the front page by now and I'll be damned if I can find them again, but it was basically like this:

Article: Scientists doing studies on children have recently discovered that babies younger than a year actually masturbate themselves, leading to speculation that enjoying and engaging in sexual activity is in fact NOT a learned behaviour from our corrupt society but somehow natural...

Comment: OMG HOW CAN PEOPLE DO THIS ITS SICK.  STUDYING CHILD SEXUALITY ARE U A PEDOPHILE???  OMG LOOK WHERE OUR SOCIETY HAS BROUGHT US, THES PEOPLE SEROUISY NEED TO GO TO CHURCH

I mean, what?  I have a whole page I can write on pedophilia because I believe it gets an extremely bad rap, but that's another topic.  Just the fact that somebody is offended due to SCIENTIFIC STUDY that is producing results that they find to be against their worldview is goddamn ignorant.  CHILDREN ARE BORN WITH PENISES AND/OR VAGINAS AND WHILE THEY MIGHT NOT BE LOADED UNTIL PUBERTY THEY STILL KNOW HOW TO PULL THE FUCKING TRIGGER.

I DID manage to save one article, it's a yahoo question thing linked from another article talking about healthy child sexuality.  The original article itself suggested that the reasons teenage pregnancies and STD rates and shit were so absurdidly low in northern european countries is because children there are taught FROM BIRTH what sex is and to be comfortable with their own nudity and sexuality, while it's so goddamn HIGH in the USA because American parents still want to lock their daughter's cunt closed with a row of six inch iron bolts until she gets married.  As for the yahoo question:

check it bitchez

I mean first off, read the 'best answer'.  It's horrendous, and that's the BEST they could do?  What the shit???  "can you imagine, if you have a child and they start talking about sex. how would you feel? how would you answer them? then the next question you ask yourself is: where did or who is talking to my child about sex?"  Here's how they found out you fucking faggot - THEY HAVE GENITALS

Here's probably the worst of the bunch...

"we know that children have a lot of cuoriosity so if u give them the sex education they would be more involvment into this by a student and may be he may neglect his studies more over if u giv him proper tips he would follow that definitely abt safe sex and he would even try it so if u dont give him that education he would feel a bit nervous and a bit frightened to participate in sex in younger ages so dont give him any education or any ideas of sex in student life"

I mean really, do I need to go into this one.  jesus FUCK.

Another one was all about how teens would call in on these people's teenage sex help hotling thing and be like DO BLOWJOBS MAKE ME PREGNANT???  What?  Why haven't people figured out that IGNORING SEX or GIVING ALL NEGATIVE INFORMATION ABOUT SEX won't actually stop kids from having sex but will actually make them want to have it more, will probably result in them getting into a bunch of retarded shit due to lack of information, and be just plain BAD at it besides (hi is a blo job wen u blow up the guys foreskin liek a balloon???)

Fuck parents the goverment should forcibly sterilize everybody at birth and only reverse the process after they've passed a test

 

[Ellie]

IMO, instead of teaching children that sex is wrong, we should teach them that sex is right, and hand out free condoms. Teach about STD's and babies (plus the downsides of having them at a young age) from a very early age, not from age 13 (when a lot of kids (note: not all or most, but more than 1 or 2) kids have probably already had some form of sexual experience).

Teach them about blow jobs, hand jobs, and other kinds of sex from an early age. Teach them the alternatives for when they get those urges to stick their cock in a hole. (I.e. masturbation). Teach boys why their cock gets hard when they think about girls, and what they can do about it.

Telling kids not to have sex is like telling a kid not to drink alcohol at that party they're going to. It's just gonna make them want it even more.

Teaching kids that sex is normal, takes away the rebellious side. You know, "I wanna have sex cus it's dirty and then I'll be cool".
[me=Commander Wyatt]sucks at symposiumerising[/me]

 

[Stardust]

It's a part of the moral shift that occurring.  We're slowly getting out of the "NO SEX UNLESS MARRIED!!" morals into the "It's a part of life, be safe with it" attitude.  It's taking a long time (probably because we're living longer, so the old ideals are still hanging around), but I feel confident that we'll eventually be able to accept sex as something natural.

But it's not just about society, either.  Our parents treated sex as a "hush-hush, don't talk about that" thing, so when we were learning about reproduction in biology everyone started giggling.  It's not that we didn't know what it was, but we were afraid to talk about because it's been shoved down our throats that it's "inappropriate".  Sex really has to be introduced as a natural subject that you can talk about early in life instead of something that's banned from all conversation until you're 13+.

 

[Despain]

i think we're missing something really important here



why the fuck were you using ie?

 

[bluehazed]

i think we're missing something really important here



why the fuck were you using ie?

Because only I.E. would show child prons.

But seriously, I agree with Wyatt. Teach em' all at an early age, then they won't find it as rebellious.
And how the hell does a blowjob get you preggers?

Yeah, Sex is natural. So just kill the "catholic school" way of teaching it, and we won't have these problems.

Gotta Teach em' all, Teen-agers!

 

[Diaforetikos]

I kinda agree with this one, but you guys know where I'm goin.

I never had that rebellious drive in me. If I was told no, then I wouldn't do it. But I'm not everyone else. I don't see, "It's bad, I wanna do it more," idea as a problem. Its the discipline behind it that makes us or breaks us. The way the children or teenagers were raised seems to deem how they make their decisions.

Telling someone not to do something isn't the only thing behind the drive.

i think we're missing something really important here



why the fuck were you using ie?

Hahaha.

 

[kyonides]

IMO, instead of teaching children that sex is wrong, we should teach them that sex is right, and hand out free condoms.

It is WRONG. People who aren't responsible and self-confident and don't have a stable relationship with a single partner shouldn't ever care about sex. I mean, they shouldn't be looking for condoms and an opportunity to have sex if they don't fulfill their duties as a responsible adult. No teenager should have sex, not even once, not even as a game.

Regarding the study mentioned on the first post I might say that they are foolish, no baby masturbates as they say. Many parents would have notice such a strange behavior if that ever happened. No one reported such a thing. So the real conclusion should be that those scientists are actually perverting those babies just to prove their point, they forget that they should be impartial and accept that the babies never masturbated as they wanna claim now. Babies may want to touch things like toys but they still are naive, maybe I should say they're still pure compared to an adult. They don't feel such a need to play with their sexual organs, they just get uncomfortable whenever their diapers are wet

 

[Ellie]

It is WRONG. People who aren't responsible and self-confident and don't have a stable relationship with a single partner shouldn't ever care about sex. I mean, they shouldn't be looking for condoms and an opportunity to have sex if they don't fulfill their duties as a responsible adult. No teenager should have sex, not even once, not even as a game.

I appreciate your opinion, but why not?

What is "wrong" with sex?

Regarding the study mentioned on the first post I might say that they are foolish, no baby masturbates as they say. Many parents would have notice such a strange behavior if that ever happened. No one reported such a thing.

You seem pretty certain at that. "No one reported such a thing". How can you possibly know? Have you visited every single baby help clinic and asked every individual parent "has your child ever masturbated"?

 

[Sic Semper Tyranosaurus]

It is WRONG. People who aren't responsible and self-confident and don't have a stable relationship with a single partner shouldn't ever care about sex. I mean, they shouldn't be looking for condoms and an opportunity to have sex if they don't fulfill their duties as a responsible adult. No teenager should have sex, not even once, not even as a game.

Good boy, just like mummy told you.  :lol: One has to wonder about sex if it doesn't harm anyone by way of an unwanted pregnancy or an STI. For some people, sex isn't an emotional, life-changing thing, if you plan on playing that angle.

If they're not bothering anyone, and they're responsible about it, why raise a shit fit?

 

[Stardust]

IMO, instead of teaching children that sex is wrong, we should teach them that sex is right, and hand out free condoms.

It is WRONG. People who aren't responsible and self-confident and don't have a stable relationship with a single partner shouldn't ever care about sex. I mean, they shouldn't be looking for condoms and an opportunity to have sex if they don't fulfill their duties as a responsible adult. No teenager should have sex, not even once, not even as a game.

Sex is natural.  It feels good because that helps us reproduce and ensures the survival of our species.  Even now, people who enjoy sex usually reproduce more than someone who doesn't, so everyone enjoys sex and that's not going to change.  You can't just forbid someone from having sex because, when their sex drive kicks into overdrive, they're not going to be educated to make good decisions.  If they're using protection, they're still being responsible.  And have you been in a health class...ever?  They're not saying that everyone should have sex as soon as possible.  You learn about all the things that can go wrong, which is probably more helpful than saying "Sex is evil!  Never have it!"

And who has sex as a game?  "I just bought out all your properties, so that means we have sex on the couch!"  I get what you're trying to say, but you worded it weird.

 

[Beran]

Saying "Sex is a bad thing, Don't have it, don't even think about it!" Is somewhat like saying "Don't eat, you might choke on your food and die!!!"
Granted the example I gave above is a gross exaggeration, the idea I'm trying to illustrate is that both of these things are just part of our natural lives.
You'd be pretty hardpressed to find a single animal on this planet that does not naturally engage in sex, we're no exception.
Surpressing this sex drive in young adults creates enormous sexual tension and a build-up of urges which, in many cases, later comes out as having uneducated sex with anything that moves.
There is also the emotional side of sex to be considered though. Many people find sex a very intimate thing shared between partners and having sex can make relationships very awkward. However, people learn through mistakes and experience, so not letting people have their own experience just keeps them in the blind about it.

I don't think sex NEEDS to be taught as a mandatory subject, but it definitely should not be treated as a taboo, it is a perfectly natural thing. If a child has questions about sex, or is curious about it, parents and teachers should help the child understand what it means and what it is, rather than saying "wait 10 years until you get an orgasm from looking at a naked ankle"

 

[Diaforetikos]

Sex has never been a bad thing. It was given to us to use responsibly. Depending on your background will determine if it is a bad thing. Its usually not a good idea until your married. I respect that idea based on a christian background, but thats just me.

I don't care if people want to do it. Thats them, not me. I could care less. I kinda wish they didn't though but who doesn't want someone to have the same trait sometimes? But I have no say in their choices. I can't judge.

This is off topic, but if sex isn't bad, why is there an image on it saying that it is bad? Why would anyone say its not good to do it until marriage? If humans came from atoms and random cells, why is there an image if it being wrong? Yea, I know, someone could have easily said it was bad, but how do you gather up enough people to believe you. Its sex, it feels good. It doesn't make sense. Just something to think about.

 

[Beran]

Why did the whole world believe the world was flat at some point? People are a lot more stupid than they think. It is very easy to make them believe things.

 

[Ellie]

(Note: Even the Ancient Greeks knew the world was round, Galileo didn't come up with the idea. They even had a way of finding out how big the Earth was based on it's curvature. Everyone knew it, even the Church, for many centuries. Sorry, just felt like butting in here. :thumb: )

This is off topic, but if sex isn't bad, why is there an image on it saying that it is bad? Why would anyone say its not good to do it until marriage? If humans came from atoms and random cells, why is there an image if it being wrong? Yea, I know, someone could have easily said it was bad, but how do you gather up enough people to believe you. Its sex, it feels good. It doesn't make sense. Just something to think about.

In a sense, sex before marriage could be bad, but only under one circumstance: the woman gets pregnant. By this I mean by not being married, the couple don't have to stay together, and could break up leaving the woman or the man to tend for the kid on their own.

But that is opinionated (if that is even a word), and only true if no birth control is used. I mean, there's a wide range available nowadays. Pills, condoms, whatever.

 

[Stardust]

In a sense, sex before marriage could be bad, but only under one circumstance: the woman gets pregnant. By this I mean by not being married, the couple don't have to stay together, and could break up leaving the woman or the man to tend for the kid on their own.

Banning sex before marriage sounds like a good idea.  But then, you're going to get people who marry solely to have sex.  Then they'll separate quickly because they hate each other after a few months.  At least if they're just dating, they'll probably use protection, and then there's less chance of them having a child.

It really wouldn't work, and some of the extreme church people are too stubborn to see anyone's point of view besides theirs.  If you're going to have sex, you should be educated about it.  Protection and sex before marriage is better than sex after marriage, a child, and two people who hate each other within the first year.

 

[Buster]

In a sense, sex before marriage could be bad, but only under one circumstance: the woman gets pregnant. By this I mean by not being married, the couple don't have to stay together, and could break up leaving the woman or the man to tend for the kid on their own.

But that is opinionated (if that is even a word), and only true if no birth control is used. I mean, there's a wide range available nowadays. Pills, condoms, whatever.

Plus there are STDs that get spread around if people get into the mindset that sex is "just sex". :/

I mean, I'm not one to believe in the whole no sex until marriage thing, but I don't see how other people can just have sex with people they have no emotional attachment to.  I know that's not what you're talking about, but I suppose that's one reason there's the no sex before marriage idea.  It kind of gives people the idea that it's special and should really only be shared between two people who love each other, rather than two people who are just horny.

Shit, this thread is about child sexuality... :x

 

[Beran]

(Note: Even the Ancient Greeks knew the world was round, Galileo didn't come up with the idea. They even had a way of finding out how big the Earth was based on it's curvature. Everyone knew it, even the Church, for many centuries. Sorry, just felt like butting in here. :thumb: )

That's beside the point I was making though. For quite a long period of time, the general public was, quite aptly, made to believe the world was flat. The same with the image that sex is bad. I'm not saying it's all lies, there are bad aspects about sex, especially when it comes to young, uneducated people, but the image in itself is not very suitable as a whole.

 

[Sic Semper Tyranosaurus]

In a sense, sex before marriage could be bad, but only under one circumstance: the woman gets pregnant. By this I mean by not being married, the couple don't have to stay together, and could break up leaving the woman or the man to tend for the kid on their own.

But that is opinionated (if that is even a word), and only true if no birth control is used. I mean, there's a wide range available nowadays. Pills, condoms, whatever.

Plus there are STDs that get spread around if people get into the mindset that sex is "just sex". :/

There must be some way to prevent this from happening! 

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In a sense, sex before marriage could be bad, but only under one circumstance: the woman gets pregnant. By this I mean by not being married, the couple don't have to stay together, and could break up leaving the woman or the man to tend for the kid on their own.

But that is opinionated (if that is even a word), and only true if no birth control is used. I mean, there's a wide range available nowadays. Pills, condoms, whatever.

Plus there are STDs that get spread around if people get into the mindset that sex is "just sex". :/

I mean, I'm not one to believe in the whole no sex until marriage thing, but I don't see how other people can just have sex with people they have no emotional attachment to.  I know that's not what you're talking about, but I suppose that's one reason there's the no sex before marriage idea.  It kind of gives people the idea that it's special and should really only be shared between two people who love each other, rather than two people who are just horny.

Shit, this thread is about child sexuality... :x

In a sense, sex before marriage could be bad, but only under one circumstance: the woman gets pregnant. By this I mean by not being married, the couple don't have to stay together, and could break up leaving the woman or the man to tend for the kid on their own.

But that is opinionated (if that is even a word), and only true if no birth control is used. I mean, there's a wide range available nowadays. Pills, condoms, whatever.

Plus there are STDs that get spread around if people get into the mindset that sex is "just sex". :/

There must be some way to prevent this from happening! 

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[Ellie]

Plus there are STDs that get spread around if people get into the mindset that sex is "just sex". :/

Use a condom or dental dam
Only fuck people you know enough to trust
Make sure you and your fuckbuddy have STD tests regularly
Don't go down on them if you have any mouth ulsars or cuts around/inside your mouth, or have a throat infection


Sex is "just sex".

 

[Buster]

Use a condom or dental dam
Only fuck people you know enough to trust
Make sure you and your fuckbuddy have STD tests regularly
Don't go down on them if you have any mouth ulsars or cuts around/inside your mouth, or have a throat infection

When I say people who get into the mindset that sex is just sex, I'm pretty much talking about people who go to bars, clubs, etc. and after five minutes of meeting someone decide to have a one night stand.  Even with a condom, if you try to fuck everything with a hole, you're going to get some sort of STD sometime.

Sex is "just sex".

I disagree.  If you think sex is "just sex", then you wouldn't have any problem with your girlfriend having sex with other people, right?  I mean, after all, it's just sex... :/
It's my opinion that it isn't something you should just throw around just to make yourself feel good.  Hell, you have hands for a reason if you need that.  I can't say that this is 100% fact or anything, but I've heard that having sex creates an emotional bond between two people, and the more you create those bonds with other people, the less attached the bonds become later (i.e., sex loses its emotional attachment with the more sexual partners you've had).  So, yeah, after a while I guess sex does become "just sex", if you let it be.
But, hey, just my opinion.

And goddamn it, I completely ignored the topic again. >.<