[Ask] Guardianism

[Dopples]

I just believe in certain things from certain religions which I combined and intertwined.

I haven't done anything to offend anyone

Actually, vulturing and patchworking together multiple religions to make something to suit yourself is extremely offensive to the practitioners of those real religions.  Not only that, it's extremely common - see faggots claiming to be 'christian' but they don't follow any of the rules in Christianity while believing in karma and reincarnation etc etc etc.  The only difference is that you slapped a pretty name on it.

The thing is that one's beliefs aren't so point blank. America was created so people could have these views legally, and if people don't like it, that's their opinion. However, you shouldn't judge the kid because of his beliefs, even if they don't make sense to you. That kind of misunderstanding is what led to the Holocaust (Well, not entirely, but differing views/customs were used to make it seem better to the Germans!). That said, I don't personally think that his views make sense to me, so I'm less inclined to believe.

However, to repeat what someone in this thread said before, albeit with different words

That which is unproven isn't always set in stone.

 

[Stardust]

Thank you.

 

[serrated_colon]

I just believe in certain things from certain religions which I combined and intertwined.

I haven't done anything to offend anyone

Actually, vulturing and patchworking together multiple religions to make something to suit yourself is extremely offensive to the practitioners of those real religions.  Not only that, it's extremely common - see faggots claiming to be 'christian' but they don't follow any of the rules in Christianity while believing in karma and reincarnation etc etc etc.  The only difference is that you slapped a pretty name on it.

The thing is that one's beliefs aren't so point blank. America was created so people could have these views legally, and if people don't like it, that's their opinion. However, you shouldn't judge the kid because of his beliefs, even if they don't make sense to you. That kind of misunderstanding is what led to the Holocaust (Well, not entirely, but differing views/customs were used to make it seem better to the Germans!). That said, I don't personally think that his views make sense to me, so I'm less inclined to believe.

However, to repeat what someone in this thread said before, albeit with different words

That which is unproven isn't always set in stone.

Dude when they create an ASK ME thread multiple times it's called EGO-STROKING and ATTENTION WHORING. This saga was over, nobody fucking cared until he made this thread, and now albeit miek making an intelligent argument, what the hell do you expect us to do? I'm sorry dude but you are SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD. You cannot fucking have an INSIGHT INTO THE WORLD, you have not lived life.
guess what: philosophy only becomes valid to oneself when the experience of life has passed

and that's why i judge him as a fucking idiot, attention whore and "kid who thinks he knows alot but infact is actually stupid but instead covers his stupidity by sounding intelligent and is actually a pretentious fuck"

I know I'm 15, but I don't go around CREATING BELIEFS, I know I don't have an insight into life yet.

Venetia: Simmer down a lil, honeypie. Atleast half of this post flew totally off the handle.

 

[Phoenix]

I just believe in certain things from certain religions which I combined and intertwined.

I haven't done anything to offend anyone

Actually, vulturing and patchworking together multiple religions to make something to suit yourself is extremely offensive to the practitioners of those real religions.  Not only that, it's extremely common - see faggots claiming to be 'christian' but they don't follow any of the rules in Christianity while believing in karma and reincarnation etc etc etc.  The only difference is that you slapped a pretty name on it.

The thing is that one's beliefs aren't so point blank. America was created so people could have these views legally, and if people don't like it, that's their opinion. However, you shouldn't judge the kid because of his beliefs, even if they don't make sense to you. That kind of misunderstanding is what led to the Holocaust (Well, not entirely, but differing views/customs were used to make it seem better to the Germans!). That said, I don't personally think that his views make sense to me, so I'm less inclined to believe.

However, to repeat what someone in this thread said before, albeit with different words

That which is unproven isn't always set in stone.

Dude when they create an ASK ME thread multiple times it's called EGO-STROKING and ATTENTION WHORING. This saga was over, nobody fucking cared until he made this thread, and now albeit miek making an intelligent argument, what the hell do you expect us to do? I'm sorry dude but you are SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD. You cannot fucking have an INSIGHT INTO THE WORLD, you have not lived life.
guess what: philosophy only becomes valid to oneself when the experience of life has passed

and that's why i judge him as a fucking idiot, attention whore and "kid who thinks he knows alot but infact is actually stupid but instead covers his stupidity by sounding intelligent and is actually a pretentious fuck"

I know I'm 15, but I don't go around CREATING BELIEFS, I know I don't have an insight into life yet.

Incorrect. 17 Year Olds have insight. Granted, chances are its not nearly as much as an adults, but they still have insight. Its not ego-storking or attention whoring, there was more of that in your post than any of Guardian's.

Its amazing, though, how people are bashing this. Its his beliefs, not ours. This is not a "OMG JOIN RELIGION PLZ" thread, it's a thread about his beliefs that is trying to be as unintrusive as possible. How you are misinterpreting this for idiocy? I'm sure that people who originally thought up religions that are famous now were thought stupid. In fact, Scientology is one of these "stupid" religions now. However, some people genuinely believe it and you should not be ridiculing those who practice it.

 

[mawk]

Phoenix, that's the thing -- we don't. We like to think we do, but we haven't experienced enough to do anything useful with the knowledge.

Besides, it's kind of lame to make generalizations based on age unless you're talking about world experience. I know people in their twenties who act like they're twelve, and I know someone who was modded here at age fifteen.

This is going to hell fast. Clean this thread up, because all I can see is a lot of people splitting hairs while Guardian acts passive-aggressive. Let's get some more intelligent discussion in here before I gotta lock this again.

If this gets locked, Guardian, I'm going to have to ask that you don't make another one of these threads. They're powder kegs. :dead:

(PS Feeny, we've long since established that he's not recruiting. The thing is that the people here find it ludicrous that he believes in something he created. Would you ever believe the plots to one of your RPGs was real?)

 

[Phoenix]

(PS Feeny, we've long since established that he's not recruiting. The thing is that the people here find it ludicrous that he believes in something he created. Would you ever believe the plots to one of your RPGs was real?)

Does it really matter? People can believe in stuff they made up. Because you made up a religion doesn't mean you can't practice it. I could run out onto Wall Street, shout "SANTA CLAUS IS REAL!!" and nobody would really care unless I acted like an ass about it. Guardian obviously isn't.

@Guardian: Don't let them get you down - most people are just more willing to believe more commonplace religions. If you can make your religion stick around for two hundred years, chances are a lot of people will start following it - or at least a few. It doesn't really matter in the long run; believe what you believe.

 

[Samboy]

Dude when they create an ASK ME thread multiple times it's called EGO-STROKING and ATTENTION WHORING. This saga was over, nobody fucking cared until he made this thread, and now albeit miek making an intelligent argument, what the hell do you expect us to do? I'm sorry dude but you are SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD. You cannot fucking have an INSIGHT INTO THE WORLD, you have not lived life.
guess what: philosophy only becomes valid to oneself when the experience of life has passed

and that's why i judge him as a fucking idiot, attention whore and "kid who thinks he knows alot but infact is actually stupid but instead covers his stupidity by sounding intelligent and is actually a pretentious fuck"

I know I'm 15, but I don't go around CREATING BELIEFS, I know I don't have an insight into life yet.

At least he doesn't go over the top like the pretentious asshole you are pretending to be. Get a life, get off the computer. Learn how to spell, learn how to present your opinion without putting 'fuck' in every second word. Please.

You cannot fucking have an INSIGHT INTO THE WORLD, you have not lived life.

Wow, it really makes me wonder what he's been doing for the last 17 years.

Guardian, I may not believe it what you're doing. But it's good to accept harsh criticism, and ignore posts like this one. ^^

 

[moog]

I agree. Its good you arent acting like a total dick over all this, which makes me respect you as a member all the more.

I dont agree with any of your views, but its interesting to hear them nonetheless.

philosophy only becomes valid to oneself when the experience of life has passed

Bullshit. There are so many differant types of philosophical views that can be taken in life at any time, it does not have to be experienced to make claims and beliefs upon it. If being 17 is the point in his life where he makes said claims, then let it be. No harm done. If you dont agree with this, stop flaming and get out.

Im 19 and I have somewhat insight on life. I have to agree with Miek on some points. There are some who have experienced enough in life at a young age to have critical insight, perhaps those who have lived through war or who have moved throughout the world, etc. Ive been all over the world and just settled down in South Carolina not too long ago. I know much more than I should, although I act like a total asshole, I still have insight on complex things. Be this more the exception to the rule, its still might prove true to those like Guardian1239, or not, I dont know.

Either way I think that making a "religion" at such a young age is somewhat of a farce, but I dont agree with most religion to begin with so im pretty indifferant altogether.

 

[Dopples]

I just believe in certain things from certain religions which I combined and intertwined.

I haven't done anything to offend anyone

Actually, vulturing and patchworking together multiple religions to make something to suit yourself is extremely offensive to the practitioners of those real religions.  Not only that, it's extremely common - see faggots claiming to be 'christian' but they don't follow any of the rules in Christianity while believing in karma and reincarnation etc etc etc.  The only difference is that you slapped a pretty name on it.

The thing is that one's beliefs aren't so point blank. America was created so people could have these views legally, and if people don't like it, that's their opinion. However, you shouldn't judge the kid because of his beliefs, even if they don't make sense to you. That kind of misunderstanding is what led to the Holocaust (Well, not entirely, but differing views/customs were used to make it seem better to the Germans!). That said, I don't personally think that his views make sense to me, so I'm less inclined to believe.

However, to repeat what someone in this thread said before, albeit with different words

That which is unproven isn't always set in stone.

Dude when they create an ASK ME thread multiple times it's called EGO-STROKING and ATTENTION WHORING. This saga was over, nobody fucking cared until he made this thread, and now albeit miek making an intelligent argument, what the hell do you expect us to do? I'm sorry dude but you are SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD. You cannot fucking have an INSIGHT INTO THE WORLD, you have not lived life.
guess what: philosophy only becomes valid to oneself when the experience of life has passed

and that's why i judge him as a fucking idiot, attention whore and "kid who thinks he knows alot but infact is actually stupid but instead covers his stupidity by sounding intelligent and is actually a pretentious fuck"

I know I'm 15, but I don't go around CREATING BELIEFS, I know I don't have an insight into life yet.

Yes you do. Whether it be something pre-concieved (Christianity), or your own beliefs, you do. Also, how the hell is it stupidity when he actually typing better than most people I know? His grasp of grammar and word usage makes him far from stupid. Generalizations about age aren't nice either. What if the mods here banned every 13-15 year old here? Sure, you'd see less Final Fantasy fan-games, but you'd be doing it for a dickish reason. Plus, half of the userbase will be gone.

 

[serrated_colon]

I just believe in certain things from certain religions which I combined and intertwined.

I haven't done anything to offend anyone

Actually, vulturing and patchworking together multiple religions to make something to suit yourself is extremely offensive to the practitioners of those real religions.  Not only that, it's extremely common - see faggots claiming to be 'christian' but they don't follow any of the rules in Christianity while believing in karma and reincarnation etc etc etc.  The only difference is that you slapped a pretty name on it.

The thing is that one's beliefs aren't so point blank. America was created so people could have these views legally, and if people don't like it, that's their opinion. However, you shouldn't judge the kid because of his beliefs, even if they don't make sense to you. That kind of misunderstanding is what led to the Holocaust (Well, not entirely, but differing views/customs were used to make it seem better to the Germans!). That said, I don't personally think that his views make sense to me, so I'm less inclined to believe.

However, to repeat what someone in this thread said before, albeit with different words

That which is unproven isn't always set in stone.

Dude when they create an ASK ME thread multiple times it's called EGO-STROKING and ATTENTION WHORING. This saga was over, nobody fucking cared until he made this thread, and now albeit miek making an intelligent argument, what the hell do you expect us to do? I'm sorry dude but you are SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD. You cannot fucking have an INSIGHT INTO THE WORLD, you have not lived life.
guess what: philosophy only becomes valid to oneself when the experience of life has passed

and that's why i judge him as a fucking idiot, attention whore and "kid who thinks he knows alot but infact is actually stupid but instead covers his stupidity by sounding intelligent and is actually a pretentious fuck"

I know I'm 15, but I don't go around CREATING BELIEFS, I know I don't have an insight into life yet.

Incorrect. 17 Year Olds have insight. Granted, chances are its not nearly as much as an adults, but they still have insight. Its not ego-storking or attention whoring, there was more of that in your post than any of Guardian's.

Its amazing, though, how people are bashing this. Its his beliefs, not ours. This is not a "OMG JOIN RELIGION PLZ" thread, it's a thread about his beliefs that is trying to be as unintrusive as possible. How you are misinterpreting this for idiocy? I'm sure that people who originally thought up religions that are famous now were thought stupid. In fact, Scientology is one of these "stupid" religions now. However, some people genuinely believe it and you should not be ridiculing those who practice it.

When a dude makes a religion that sounds akin to an RPG, and then posts another topic after its outcome on gw AND rmxp is kind of an attention whore. He knows the score, he didn't defend his beliefs before, nor is he now.
And how is making a point(albeit I admit, in a kind of flaming way) ATTENTION WHORING jesus christ.
When a "controversial"(I use this term loosely, I was thinking more, "absurd") belief is presented, whoever presented the belief is expected to sift through the joke posts and defend it. Has guardian done this? I don't think so, although he has done a good job of the former. Dude, did I say his beliefs were being intrusive AT ALL, I said he was an attention whore :S
Also, process to argue religion:
1) proceed to argue
2) evaluate defence
a) if good enough, repeat 1)
b) if it sucks, repeat 1), if repeated twice go to 3)
3) ridicule

@ moogle
What I mean on INSIGHT is enough experience to have a philosophical view i.e not 17. I know I'm making a generalization on age, but what else can you do? Sure, he's mature, intelligent and a decent writer but to base his beliefs off his own fiction is just absurd imo.

@ newish jewish

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy

you cannot compare BANNING ALL YOUNGSTERS to A YOUNGSTER MAKING HIS OWN RELIGION

maybe I should make a topic about generalizing people on age

 

[boon]

Last thing I'm going to say before I give up with this.

We now know that the Earth wasn't created in seven days, yet people still believe it.

Actually, we don't really know. It's a very educated guess. No-one can know what happened before history was recorded.

 

[moog]

Sure, he's mature, intelligent and a decent writer but to base his beliefs off his own fiction is just absurd imo.

http://www.scientology.net.au/imgs/L_Ro ... s_book.jpg[/img]

 

[serrated_colon]

Last thing I'm going to say before I give up with this.

We now know that the Earth wasn't created in seven days, yet people still believe it.

Actually, we don't really know. It's a very educated guess. No-one can know what happened before history was recorded.

actually these days are metaphorical and represent 1,000's of years, it's just a metaphor that explains the sabbath day, and applies the CREATION OF EARTH to our week

Sure, he's mature, intelligent and a decent writer but to base his beliefs off his own fiction is just absurd imo.

http://www.scientology.net.au/imgs/L_Ro ... s_book.jpg[/img]

hello this reinforces my point even more
he may make A LOT OF MONEY but if he can't defend it, his belief becomes bullshit

 

[rexxzecutioner]

Actually, we don't really know. It's a very educated guess. No-one can know what happened before history was recorded.

Are you certain you want to make this claim? I suppose archaeological discoveries are all fabrications, as are geological analysis and anthropological studies on pre-historic humans. Oh let's not forget about paeleontology, we know that's all fake!

 

[moog]

hello this reinforces my point even more
he may make A LOT OF MONEY but if he can't defend it, his belief becomes bullshit

I didnt miss your point at all. I was just making a fact that this has BEEN DONE BEFORE. If anything, the only problem I see with this besides the wacky shit it believes is the fact that he is 17, like you said. Besides that I dont see the big deal. Millions are scientoligists and they hold all its beliefs to be true, reguardless of weather it is or not.

Not being able to defend a belief doesnt make it bullshit, it just makes you strongly opinionated. Some believe in God, but is there a scientific proof for God's existence? Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. Many say the Bible is. The Bible could have been written by anyone, who knows? It just depends on who wants to believe it or not, I suppose. I personally dont believe because there is no factual evidence. Is belief in God bullshit? I could pull up many things against Christianity and have a strong argument on why its BS but it wouldnt make it true.

 

[rexxzecutioner]

Not being able to defend a belief doesnt make it bullshit, it just makes you strongly opinionated. Some believe in God, but is there a scientific proof for God's existence? Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. Many say the Bible is. The Bible could have been written by anyone, who knows? It just depends on who wants to believe it or not, I suppose. I personally dont believe because there is no factual evidence. Is belief in God bullshit? I could pull up many things against Christianity and have a strong argument on why its BS but it wouldnt make it true.

Actually, having an indefensible belief does infact make it bullshit. Religion is the only thing that we do not criticize for its level of absurdity.

Take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szn6cG8fQl8

 

[moog]

Not being able to defend a belief doesnt make it bullshit, it just makes you strongly opinionated. Some believe in God, but is there a scientific proof for God's existence? Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. Many say the Bible is. The Bible could have been written by anyone, who knows? It just depends on who wants to believe it or not, I suppose. I personally dont believe because there is no factual evidence. Is belief in God bullshit? I could pull up many things against Christianity and have a strong argument on why its BS but it wouldnt make it true.

Actually, having an indefensible belief does infact make it bullshit. Religion is the only thing that we do not criticize for its level of absurdity.

Take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szn6cG8fQl8

If a flying spaghetti monster appeared and told me to believe in him, disapeared and I went to tell my friends but I couldnt back it up, would that make my belief shit? I hold it to be true, and I have seen it, but it is false?

Not trying to make light of this, but just asking, even in a similar situation like that.

I'll take a look at the video and post after I watch :3

Edit: Also, in this situation reguarding beliefs I was specifically speaking about Scientology. If it is a religion, then we do not criticize it like you said, no?

 

[rexxzecutioner]

It would make it bullshit. No one should be expected to accept any claim without sufficient evidence.

 

[moog]

It would make it bullshit. No one should be expected to accept any claim without sufficient evidence.

Ok, so I guess that is a little absurd. I edited my post, however, to state that I was specifically talking about religion.

 

[rexxzecutioner]

Any religion should be open to criticism. However the very nature of it does not allow it to be falsifiable. The arguments from proponents of the religions follow a pattern of circular logic and are inherently false.

Of course scientology should be criticized. Every religion should. My point is that it is acceptable to hold these beliefs within the mainstream world, and that as a global community we are almost discouraged to bring up any sort of intellectual conversation that could possibly make someone re-think their religious positions.

Anyway, I think there's a thread for this in Symposium, this will be my last post on the matter.