[Ask] Guardianism

[Luminier]

As this thread remains unlocked, does this mean that all other members that aren't part of the moderating team can set up a Q+A thread, for the sole purpose of attention whoring and ego-stroking?

OP, the fact that you even think we care about your self-generated religion leaves me in mild hysterics. Or at least rather energetic chuckling.

I believe it is more that this little religionete generated a good deal of controversy during the beginning of his stay, her on .org, and he wanted to clear the air a bit. Or at least clear up some confusion over this. Am I correct, Guardian1239? At any rate, the only purpose this topic has served, is to make you look like a looney. No offense intended.

It's too bad, really. You truly seem to be one of the more intelligent members of the younger set. But this Guardianism thing makes people lose what respect they might have had for you. I think you would have been much better off, just leaving this thing in the past. Nobody needs to know what system of beliefs you subscribe to, and most don't care, unless you made it up yourself.

Also, this thread will not be locked, unless all of the shitheads turn it into a flamewar. And I will see to that myself.

 

[GrooveMan.exe]

But isn't that just being a glutton for punishment, if such negative feedback was given the first time around? :/

Hey, if you want to follow your own set of beiliefs, then go ahead; we all do to some extent. But when you feel you have to post about it; to get others to see this new philosophy of living that we were doing pretty well without knowing about, it reads as... desperate for the attention.

But anyway, back to being facetious. Do I get to make my own attention-grabbing Q+A thread or not?! D=<

 

[Ellie]

Are you for serious about this?

If so, why would you name it Guardianism? The fact that It's derived from your username makes it seem like this is a scheme to gather attention on a large amateur game development forum.

It's possible his username was derived from the name of his religion.



Personally I have to say, if you are serious about this, fair enough.

It's a good thing to follow your own religion. After all, a religion is a set of beliefs. Now, do Christians really believe what they believe, or what other people (and a book) have told them to believe? NB: I am not meaning to shun Christianity here, I used it as an example. Same can be said about any religion. Even Buddhists, are following the teachings of a set of beliefs, that before they heard about the religion might not have come to on their own free will.

I personally think the idea of a "religion" is shizzleplopismictasticasicismistic, and that you should believe what you have come to believe on your own, and not ideas someone else puts into your mind.

 

[Luminier]

But anyway, back to being facetious. Do I get to make my own attention-grabbing Q+A thread or not?! D=<

No you don't. At least not as long as you use = instead of : for emoticon eyes. :3

 

[bedi nik bzez emak]

;D

 

[Sonata]

Are you for serious about this?

If so, why would you name it Guardianism? The fact that It's derived from your username makes it seem like this is a scheme to gather attention on a large amateur game development forum.

It's possible his username was derived from the name of his religion.

I'm fairly sure that it is...

 

[Ellie]

I forgot that the Internet can't portray sarcastic voices  :tongue:.

Ok, imagine that sentence, but with a lot of over-the-top sarcasm.  :thumb:

 

[GrooveMan.exe]

No you don't. At least not as long as you use = instead of : for emoticon eyes. :3

It's a force of habit, I can't just stop for you, grunty avatar or not. D=

 

[Sonata]

I forgot that the Internet can't portray sarcastic voices  :tongue:.

Ok, imagine that sentence, but with a lot of over-the-top sarcasm.  :thumb:

Ok, I just thought it was weird that you stated that in a post where you quoted me saying the same thing.

 

[bedi nik bzez emak]

;D

 

[boon]

There already is a Guardianism, so I think a name change would suit.

http://www.edge-of-destiny.com/forums/a ... t-580.html

Article posted in 2006.

Anyway, I need a few questions:

• 
  Why would "the Force" (Sounds a bit Star-warsey with the stronger people can manipulate it) create the Jury then want to destroy it soon after? If it is everything, it should be timeless, and it should know it's own future.
• 
  How can you beleive in something you invented yourself?

Those are just my questions. :3

 

[Stardust]

You answered 2 of my questions, and the third might have been irrelevant but ill reiterate it anyways.

Is there a specific God/Idol being worshiped?

You said this isnt a religion but more like a set of beliefs. If that is the case, what makes it so important? Maybe thats too vague, let me be more specific; WHY do you believe this to be truths?

Can we move this back into GD? I dont think it fits the Symposium but im sure it doesnt fit here either, and Id like to discuss it but im not compelled to in NFG. Either that or ill just take it to PM (I was going to do that but Miek was posting too).

I think I answered the first.  The Guardians are the standard to be praised, but The Jury or The Force could be praised instead/also.  It's the same as with most polytheistic ideas, which this essentially is.  As for the second question . . . eh, I've been wanting to call it a religion, but it can't be officially called so.  It is, essentially, a religion, but it doesn't have practices and its not recognized as a religion.  I believe it because, in my head, it is a religion.  I hope that makes sense and answers the question.

Gladly. I think it's clear that this guy isn't trying to kid us or anything, and so it should remain in the serious sections -- regardless of what opinions people have of it.

I'm not calling this the "ultimate truth," actually.  I'm not saying my ideas are any better than the other ones.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I personally find this more believable than other religions.  I'm not asking you to convert or anything.  I just like discussing my ideas.

See, the problem is that you are placing your ideas over the other religions. You call them false, and maintain that yours is entirely truthful.

I may think differently of other religions had the "Holy Wars" never occurred.  Using religion as a way to start a war is horrible.  It's pathetic that we can manage to start a war over ideas and beliefs.  Of course, this continues today.  It's happening mostly in the Middle East with radical Muslims (a.k.a. terrorists).  Of course, now we (U.S.) automatically associate Muslim with terrorist, which is a horrible stereotype.  It's astounding that after hundreds, thousands of years, there are still people willing to kill over beliefs.  I guess they ran out of other things to fight about.

People will always find excuses to fight wars against people they don't like -- religion is an excellent means of roping people in and converting them to the same hateful mindset, though. I don't think people will ever stop killing in the name of god (despite the fact that none of the books actually condone murder unless you take an incredibly narrow view of what they say) until the end of the world, in which case I assume Jesus would come down and smack those sorts of people upside the head.

I actually do have reasons for believing that all religions are fictions.  The main reason is simply that there are so many religions, yet none of them have been proven.  I doubt there are multiple gods, and if there are, my ideas are more accurate than a single god.  Maybe its just the same god trying to mess us up and confuse us.  I know I would do that if I were him.  Furthermore, there haven't been any major claims (that I've heard of) of people witnessing the existence of these gods after their first appearance, which seems strange.  Of course, who would believe them at this point in time, anyway?  Another thing I find strange is that the people who started the religions all had a major role and were an idol, while I've done my best to state that I am nothing other than Guardianism's creator.

I think most holy books make allowances for the "where is god anyway?" question. I like to think the Invisible Dude(s) in the Sky merely take an indirect approach to things nowadays. The only time someone who controls everything needs to make a flashy display of presence is to convince people that he is, in fact, there. I guess we don't need convincing any more?

So really, my answer to "where is god?" would have to be "over there, bein' subtle about everything." That's one misconception of religion that annoys me -- that when god does anything, he needs to do it via massive flashy miracle. :x

As for that last point, if you knew someone who had spoken with god and acted as his pageboy, you'd be holding him in some degree of reverence, too. It makes sense to respect the prophets and draw lessons from how they lived their lives, just not to worship them as if they were god.

Side Note:
I like your diction a lot.  "Weaving fiction and calling it theology" - brilliant!  I always admire good writing.  I hope I'm not getting you angry at me.

:blush:
Nah, this is actually a fairly fun discussion, and you're taking criticism like a real champ.

I place my ideas above the others, but I'm not asking anyone else to do so.  Most other religions force themselves upon you as being truth or not, with no in between.  I don't care if you like the Plane Hypothesis but hate the rest.  I'm offering my views, and I'm doing this in hopes that it will be helpful to someone.  I made this thread to discuss these ideas (this is to all the people still questioning my motives).  I'm not trying to gain attention.  I want to see what others think of my ideas.  I don't like the chat because it's hard to figure out who is talking to who sometimes, so I prefer the forum.

I see what you're saying about God not revealing himself, but he must see that our faith is being shaken.  Oh snap - global warming=great flood (like the original with Noah).  Maybe he's preparing to punish us for our disbelief?

I see what you're saying with the prophets (yeah, I don't feel like picking posts apart at the moment, so I'm being lazy).  I guess I just think it unnatural to respect someone so much.  Everyone has their flaws and it bothers me when someone tries to say they don't.

Are you for serious about this?

If so, why would you name it Guardianism? The fact that It's derived from your username makes it seem like this is a scheme to gather attention on a large amateur game development forum.

Actually, I originally introduced it on Gaiaonline, but the response there was pretty much the same I've gotten here.  The username is derived from the religion, not the other way around.  1239 was a number I created for a Runescape account, and I've stuck with it, but it really has no meaning behind it.

As this thread remains unlocked, does this mean that all other members that aren't part of the moderating team can set up a Q+A thread, for the sole purpose of attention whoring and ego-stroking?

OP, the fact that you even think we care about your self-generated religion leaves me in mild hysterics. Or at least rather energetic chuckling.

At least I'm making people happy. :thumb:

As this thread remains unlocked, does this mean that all other members that aren't part of the moderating team can set up a Q+A thread, for the sole purpose of attention whoring and ego-stroking?

OP, the fact that you even think we care about your self-generated religion leaves me in mild hysterics. Or at least rather energetic chuckling.

I believe it is more that this little religionete generated a good deal of controversy during the beginning of his stay, her on .org, and he wanted to clear the air a bit. Or at least clear up some confusion over this. Am I correct, Guardian1239? At any rate, the only purpose this topic has served, is to make you look like a looney. No offense intended.

It's too bad, really. You truly seem to be one of the more intelligent members of the younger set. But this Guardianism thing makes people lose what respect they might have had for you. I think you would have been much better off, just leaving this thing in the past. Nobody needs to know what system of beliefs you subscribe to, and most don't care, unless you made it up yourself.

Also, this thread will not be locked, unless all of the shitheads turn it into a flamewar. And I will see to that myself.

Yeah, I wanted to clear everything up from the last one and carry on intelligent discussion about it.  I was hoping the trolls wouldn't come here, or maybe I hoped everyone got it out of their systems.  The last thread felt . . . unresolved, and some people had actual questions that never got answered.

If someone loses respect for me because of this, then I don't want them to respect me.  They're basically being prejudice and they disgust me.
(Sorry if that's harsh, but it's how I feel.)  If this thread gets locked, it's only from the immaturity of others.  The thread at Gaming World (which was supposed to be my introduction thread) got turned into a troll-fest.  After everything that needed to be said was said, people started repeating the same mocks over and over, so the thread had to be locked.  I hope it doesn't come to that.

But isn't that just being a glutton for punishment, if such negative feedback was given the first time around? :/

Hey, if you want to follow your own set of beiliefs, then go ahead; we all do to some extent. But when you feel you have to post about it; to get others to see this new philosophy of living that we were doing pretty well without knowing about, it reads as... desperate for the attention.

But anyway, back to being facetious. Do I get to make my own attention-grabbing Q+A thread or not?! D=<

I was unorganized last time.  I didn't have the information collected appropriately, and I made a page dedicated to dealing with the things people found most humorous last time.  I'm not desperate for attention.  I like to talk.  I don't talk enough in the real world, so I do a lot of talking here.

There are quite a few people who are on the IRC who would like to hear about this, really, chatting is better than posting every so often in a thread.

http://www.rmxp.org/forums/index.php?action=chat

I already stated why I don't like the chat, and I would be here more often if I weren't sick.

There already is a Guardianism, so I think a name change would suit.

http://www.edge-of-destiny.com/forums/a ... t-580.html

Article posted in 2006.

Anyway, I need a few questions:

• 
  Why would "the Force" (Sounds a bit Star-warsey with the stronger people can manipulate it) create the Jury then want to destroy it soon after? If it is everything, it should be timeless, and it should know it's own future.
• 
  How can you beleive in something you invented yourself?

Those are just my questions. :3

Yeah, a better name would help, I think.  I was thinking about it for a while, but Guardianism was the best I could come up with.  I'll think about it again, but for the purpose of this thread, Guardianism is the name of my beliefs.

• The Force doesn't want to destroy The Jury.  It relies on The Jury to restrict magic.  Because magic is the bending of the force, excessive bending can lead to warping and ultimately destruction of The Force until it recreates itself.  It's not a part of Guardianism, but I believe this is the second attempt at a universe by The Force, the first having no Jury.  Also, nothing can see the true future.  The future changes with each decision made, so seeing the future is never a definite practice.
• Why do I believe in something I created?  Because it makes sense to me.  That's the same reason you believe whatever you believe in, right?

 

[Luminier]

People wouldn't lose respect for you because of any sort prejudice, but because making up your very own system of beliefs at the age of seventeen is utterly, and unequivocally, bonkers.

 

[Stardust]

Still, they lose respect because of what I believe.  My age doesn't really matter.  Perhaps I'm not as wise as I would be if I were older, but I'm well educated and organized.  I'd say I'm more mature than most my age, but I sound conceited when I say that.  I feel I think more clearly than most my age and my priorities are better organized.

I'm not any different because I have my own ideas.  I haven't done anything to offend anyone, so I don't see why someone should lose respect for me because of this, but some find ways to do so.  I'm definitely strange, but I'm not "bonkers."

 

[mawk]

Still, they lose respect because of what I believe.  My age doesn't really matter.

You have to understand that it's not what you believe. The issue here is that you've created a story for yourself based on what makes sense in context with the conventions of theology we've all learned from litereature and RPGs, and you believe in it -- despite the fact that you yourself have created it, and thus should know that it's fiction. Somehow you don't. The storyline for my game (what there is of it) makes perfect sense in relation to our world, but I know it isn't true because I'm the one who came up with it, and I know that I don't have some sort of holy insight into the state of the multiverse.

 

[Stardust]

It's not from literature or RPGs.  It's from other religions and theories.  I never said "Oh, that'd be cool to believe in!"  I just believe in certain things from certain religions which I combined and intertwined.

(Combined and intertwined . . . that's cool . . .)

 

[Dissonance]

I just believe in certain things from certain religions which I combined and intertwined.

I haven't done anything to offend anyone

Actually, vulturing and patchworking together multiple religions to make something to suit yourself is extremely offensive to the practitioners of those real religions.  Not only that, it's extremely common - see faggots claiming to be 'christian' but they don't follow any of the rules in Christianity while believing in karma and reincarnation etc etc etc.  The only difference is that you slapped a pretty name on it.

 

[Sic Semper Tyranosaurus]

I have read this entire thread, and am now prepared to give my informed opinion:

This shit is bananas. You are bananas. :psy:

 

[boon]

Why do I believe in something I created?  Because it makes sense to me.  That's the same reason you believe whatever you believe in, right?

Well, I beleive in Christianity because it seems understandable, so many people claiming to see the same things? But if you admittedly made this up, then it can't be plausible because you know it's not real.

I have read this entire thread, and am now prepared to give my informed opinion:

This shit is bananas. You are bananas. :psy:

That is one good opinion

 

[Stardust]

I just believe in certain things from certain religions which I combined and intertwined.

I haven't done anything to offend anyone

Actually, vulturing and patchworking together multiple religions to make something to suit yourself is extremely offensive to the practitioners of those real religions.  Not only that, it's extremely common - see faggots claiming to be 'christian' but they don't follow any of the rules in Christianity while believing in karma and reincarnation etc etc etc.  The only difference is that you slapped a pretty name on it.

I don't mean to offend other religions by using some of their aspects.  Most religions have good ideas behind them, but certain things seem impractical.  Also, some things have been proven false, such as the Earth being formed in seven days.  Although it combines ideas from other religions, it is its own set of beliefs.  You could say that some religions borrow ideas from other, older religions.  I'm not trying to disrespect them by pulling certain pieces from them.

I have read this entire thread, and am now prepared to give my informed opinion:

This shit is bananas. You are bananas. :psy:

That's a fair opinion.  Thanks for being polite about saying it.

Why do I believe in something I created?  Because it makes sense to me.  That's the same reason you believe whatever you believe in, right?

Well, I beleive in Christianity because it seems understandable, so many people claiming to see the same things? But if you admittedly made this up, then it can't be plausible because you know it's not real.

We now know that the Earth wasn't created in seven days, yet people still believe it.  Just because I admit I made it up makes it no less believable than if I said I had been visited by a member of The Jury.  The only difference is I would be lying to you if I told you the second.  I know that's not what you think, but this is what I think.  I do believe it and I do think it is reality.  Maybe I live in my own little world (which may very well be the case), but I'm not lying.