[Ask] Guardianism

[moog]

Ok, I dont have a question but more of a statement(????)

Guardian1239, I seriously just think that you want attention and I assume that is the sole reason you made this thread. You couldnt POSSIBLY want people to actually ask more about your "religion", because last time this started it erupted into a whole scale of ridicule. Like Luminer said, you have started to become pretty cool around here and I view your posts every now and then and they are pretty insightful, so just chill out for a while instead of making random ass divinations based off of japanese rpgs.

Wait i have a question too

why the fuck is this shit here.

and since this is in NFG:

Ive noticed Lucario is your avatar. Is it true you believe him to be the one messiah who will deliver us all? What kinds of feelings do I need to emote to conduct currents through my hands? I didnt click on your site, so please answer soon.

 

[serrated_colon]

Study Number 1:
The Golden Trough: A study of magic and religion

Magic is a very weird concept. The science of it is hard to get around, but it uses very simple principles which need to out of the way to understand the way magic works.

Principle one: Evidence of absence is not absence of evidence. This is proved every second of every minute of every day! The fact that mortals ourselves cannot SEE MAGIC does not mean it does not exist. The Magic conceals itself in  the energy of each particle of the gas we breath. It travels in the way heat does, in a sense from hot to cold. Except this concentration gradient is from who the magic chooses, but it's not as Guardianism says, a 'belief in magic'. I will explain this in my second study, "Study 2, Firaga to Guardianism". As I was saying, the Magic chooses who will use it, and where it goes is dependant on the person's heritage, I'll explain this in a later study.

I seem to have lost the other 6 principles(this is a hard copy, I had to type this up, but I do have the second, if you are interested)

 

[Stardust]

Ok, I dont have a question but more of a statement(????)

Guardian1239, I seriously just think that you want attention and I assume that is the sole reason you made this thread. You couldnt POSSIBLY want people to actually ask more about your "religion", because last time this started it erupted into a whole scale of ridicule. Like Luminer said, you have started to become pretty cool around here and I view your posts every now and then and they are pretty insightful, so just chill out for a while instead of making random ass divinations based off of japanese rpgs.

I'm serious about this.  This is what I believe, and I won't simply abandon it because no one here likes my ideas.  I'm not asking you to believe in this, so I'm not sure why everyone gets so offensive.  I want to discuss ideas.  If you look at the Sources page, you'll see that I have reasons for believing what I do.  I'm glad you like(d) me, but I don't see how this would change your opinion of me.  These aren't "random ass divinations."  I've thought this through.

Wait i have a question too

why the fuck is this shit here.

and since this is in NFG:

Ive noticed Lucario is your avatar. Is it true you believe him to be the one messiah who will deliver us all? What kinds of feelings do I need to emote to conduct currents through my hands? I didnt click on your site, so please answer soon.

I like Lucario and Pokemon.  It's just an avatar.  I would prefer this be in the Symposium, but since all the mods think it a joke, I doubt this move will happen.

How would one go about converting to a Guardian? Would I need to cast aside my mainstream religion?

If I become a Guardian can I eat fish on Friday?

Is magic really real? I mean really real? Because my science teacher is a logical douche and says no.

If I join this religion can I cast aside all that I currently know and become a blank ready to be molded into something greater?

Can you guys come up with an acronym for your religion? Guardianism is kind of uncool.

Can I nail a letter of petition to the door of my local church?

Are we assigned Nike jumpsuits? If so I am 5'11'' on the slim side.

Not funny.  Well, it's funny, but not nice.  I'm here to discuss ideas, not recruit people, which I have made very clear on my site.

To Farah:
I don't appreciate your mocking my ideas, but at least you're being creative.

 

[moog]

I'm glad you like(d) me, but I don't see how this would change your opinion of me.

I still do, I mean you havent really done anything to piss any one off and like I said, your posts are pretty good.

I said the comment about your religion as a "random ass divination" because I thought this was a joke beacause it was in NFG. If youre seriously wanting to discuss this, I dont think RMXP.org would be the best place because I doubt many (including me) people would take this seriously.

But since Im already here Ill ask another question, which you might have already answered:

What the hell compelled you to come up with a religion, and what makes this a religion? Is there a specific God/Idol being worshiped or praised?

 

[khmp]

How much more fun will this be in comparison to Jonestown? Rating (0-10) 0 - Heaven's Gate-tacular and 10 - Manson-tastic.

Wait I have to provide my own jumpsuit?... lame.

Do you like this shirt? It says, "There will be always be two pairs of footprints, but the second pair is made with magic."

Does everything land upside-down stacked in obvious natural algorithms, love?

 

[Stardust]

I'm glad you like(d) me, but I don't see how this would change your opinion of me.

I still do, I mean you havent really done anything to piss any one off and like I said, your posts are pretty good.

I said the comment about your religion as a "random ass divination" because I thought this was a joke beacause it was in NFG. If youre seriously wanting to discuss this, I dont think RMXP.org would be the best place because I doubt many (including me) people would take this seriously.

But since Im already here Ill ask another question, which you might have already answered:

What the hell compelled you to come up with a religion, and what makes this a religion? Is there a specific God/Idol being worshiped or praised?

Admittedly, RMXP.org isn't the best place for this.  However, this is a place with opinions, and those opinions (even if they're being expressed through mocking) are very useful in figuring out what I need to work on and explain better.  I made this topic more for people like The Great Terror - the ones who want to actually discuss these ideas, what makes them plausible (evidence), and what makes them sound impractical.  I love discussing things like politics, but I'm unfortunately not very well informed and most of my discussion is coming from school, the news, and Comedy Central (there are quite a few comedians who deal with politics (like John Stewart and Steven Colbert)).

Guardianism, I found out, can't really be called a religion, although it is something close.  It doesn't really have any practices or special dates yet since I started creating it a few years ago.  As the title suggests, most prayers would be directed to Guardians, even if they don't know what they are, for keeping you safe.  Alternatively, The Force or The Jury could be praised since it  is a three-part system.  It's modeled from the democratic three-branch system used by the United States, which is balanced and ultimately the best system unless corruption arises.  When thinking of the U.S., some (I'd say most) instantly think of the president.  Others think of the legislative branch - the Senate and the House of Representatives.  Meanwhile, others might think of the Judicial Branch, which ultimately says what is just.  It's more open to opinions and is much more lenient than other religions that exist today.

Thanks for being more understanding than some of the others I've had to deal with.  Ever since this was brought up, I've been mocked by both this forum and Gaming World, but I've managed to keep myself calm and collected and deal with it as best I can.  The closest I came to losing my calm was when someone hacked into my profile and started messing with my signature and custom member title (making the Guardianism link go to the Scientology page).  Luckily, it's been resolved, but it still bothers me that someone would go to such lengths to make me look like a fool.  I think, after all of it, people probably like me more.  If not for my attitude, simply because I've given them entertainment.  I really don't mind when someone mocks an idea.  What really bothers me is when someone questions my motives.

 

[mawk]

I think it's apparent that you sincerely believe this. I just don't understand how someone can sincerely believe something that they personally know they have fabricated.

You say your experiences with magic begun when you started chanting in class (who chants in class? If I did that my friends would have me committed) and a snowstorm started. Alright, so you have amazing hidden powers that you cannot consciously tap at this date. Where, though, did the theories regarding the Jury, the Force, and Guardians come from? The only plausible explanation for me is that you thought to yourself "okay, so I have a set of beliefs revolving around magic in the works, I might as well put a face on it and give it some form of organization." Tite Kubo doesn't believe that there are actually invisible people in kendo robes running around killing violent ghosts. Why do you believe in a theology that (while being partially based in an interpretation of personal experience) was mostly created by you to fit what you think seems logical or cool or fitting of the situation?

Again, I am not questioning whether or not you believe in this. i personally believe that you do. I'm just asking why you believe in something that you personally have mostly made up out of smoke and opinions.

 

[Stardust]

Why did I create Guardianism?  I'm not really sure.  I guess I was looking for something to believe in.  I was raised as a Christian, but after a while I realized that there were some errors in the system.  Besides it being unbalanced, things like the Earth being created in seven days has already been disproven.  All religions . . . respected religions are old and embrace the mindset of that time period.  Apart from that, I can give you explanations of where the different ideas you mentioned came from.

The Jury:
Basically, I copied the Grand Jury (I believe that's what the Supreme Court Justices are called) idea.  I didn't agree with having nine, so I changed it to seven.

The Force:
I got this idea from Hinduism.

I actually got the idea from Brahman, a belief of Hinduism, although I have changed the idea from an omnipotent force to a restricted force.

The idea struck me as making much more sense.  A force creating everything erases the "Well, what created this god?" argument.  Also, it tied into souls and magic very well, so it found its spot as a part of the system.

The Guardians:
They were originally just a book idea.  The idea for the book I've been working on started when I was in sixth grade, and the first versions were horrible.  I was going to call the book The Planetary Protectors (influence from Sailor Moon), but I later revised it to The Planetary Guardians and later to The Universal Guardian.  The planetary thing isn't a part of the Guardian idea, it's just a story, but the Guardians seemed to make sense, so they became the controller for The Jury to balance power more evenly.

The Plane Hypothesis:
I know you didn't mention it, but I'm going to bring it up.  This idea is the one I'm most proud of.  I was originally trying to figure out how one would go about manipulating time when I came up with the Plane Hypothesis (I hate how that sounds, but everyone gets on my case when I call it a theory).  It's part of a way to explain how the Christian God lives in the sky but we can't see him and how Hell exists without our knowledge, but I later incorporated it into Guardianism.  It's also my way of explaining ghosts and reincarnation.

I realize it's a little strange that I believe something I made, but all religions were ultimately made up by someone.  They can claim that they saw some holy god, but in the end they're just trying to spread their ideas by lying.  I do believe, however, that certain important religious people were Guardians, which explains why they were able to do some of the stuff they were said to have done.  Extreme faith is required for magic.  It doesn't necessarily have to be faith in Guardianism or a certain religion, but faith that you can do something.  It's hard to do something when your mind is screaming at you and telling you you can't.

This is the reason I created this topic.  Thanks for the questions! :thumb:

 

[mawk]

That didn't really explain anything to me, but I doubt I'll learn anything new by pursuing this line of questioning any further anyway. It just irks me that you admit that you created this theology based on things that just seemed to best suit your world view, and profess it as the ultimate truth. It strikes me as awfully egotistical.

I realize it's a little strange that I believe something I made, but all religions were ultimately made up by someone.  They can claim that they saw some holy god, but in the end they're just trying to spread their ideas by lying.

This coming from the guy who's admitting that he simply made up most of his theology out of nothing and claims that all of it is perfectly true. I am a religious man, and I hate it, really hate it when people debunk prophets as simple liars trying to turn a buck -- it softens things when it's clear that they have valid reasons for believing so, and if they happen to be more interested in a good enlightening debate than they are in merely stirring shit up then it can actually become a fun discussion with no hard feelings. However, what I find really awful is someone who's clearly pulling that opinion out of nothing but opinion -- someone who calls theology fiction, but who is himself weaving fiction and calling it theology!

 

[Stardust]

I'm not calling this the "ultimate truth," actually.  I'm not saying my ideas are any better than the other ones.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I personally find this more believable than other religions.  I'm not asking you to convert or anything.  I just like discussing my ideas.

I actually do have reasons for believing that all religions are fictions.  The main reason is simply that there are so many religions, yet none of them have been proven.  I doubt there are multiple gods, and if there are, my ideas are more accurate than a single god.  Maybe its just the same god trying to mess us up and confuse us.  I know I would do that if I were him. :wink:  Furthermore, there haven't been any major claims (that I've heard of) of people witnessing the existence of these gods after their first appearance, which seems strange.  Of course, who would believe them at this point in time, anyway?  Another thing I find strange is that the people who started the religions all had a major role and were an idol, while I've done my best to state that I am nothing other than Guardianism's creator.

I may think differently of other religions had the "Holy Wars" never occurred.  Using religion as a way to start a war is horrible.  It's pathetic that we can manage to start a war over ideas and beliefs.  Of course, this continues today.  It's happening mostly in the Middle East with radical Muslims (a.k.a. terrorists).  Of course, now we (U.S.) automatically associate Muslim with terrorist, which is a horrible stereotype.  It's astounding that after hundreds, thousands of years, there are still people willing to kill over beliefs.  I guess they ran out of other things to fight about.

War is peace.

Do I believe this?  I don't know.  There always seems to be a conflict in the world.  I doubt we'll ever truly stop fighting.  If we do stop fighting it will be to face a danger to us all, which could be good or bad.  Good if its something we can handle, bad if its an alien civilization that's coming to annihilate us when they have lasers and huge cannons and death stars . . . whoah, going way off topic here.  So, yeah.  I'm not just saying it because I want to stir up trouble.  Most of what I say has a lot of thought behind it.

Side Note:
I like your diction a lot.  "Weaving fiction and calling it theology" - brilliant!  I always admire good writing.  I hope I'm not getting you angry at me.

 

[moog]

You answered 2 of my questions, and the third might have been irrelevant but ill reiterate it anyways.

Is there a specific God/Idol being worshiped?

You said this isnt a religion but more like a set of beliefs. If that is the case, what makes it so important? Maybe thats too vague, let me be more specific; WHY do you believe this to be truths?

Can we move this back into GD? I dont think it fits the Symposium but im sure it doesnt fit here either, and Id like to discuss it but im not compelled to in NFG. Either that or ill just take it to PM (I was going to do that but Miek was posting too).

 

[mawk]

Gladly. I think it's clear that this guy isn't trying to kid us or anything, and so it should remain in the serious sections -- regardless of what opinions people have of it.

I'm not calling this the "ultimate truth," actually.  I'm not saying my ideas are any better than the other ones.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I personally find this more believable than other religions.  I'm not asking you to convert or anything.  I just like discussing my ideas.

See, the problem is that you are placing your ideas over the other religions. You call them false, and maintain that yours is entirely truthful.

I may think differently of other religions had the "Holy Wars" never occurred.  Using religion as a way to start a war is horrible.  It's pathetic that we can manage to start a war over ideas and beliefs.  Of course, this continues today.  It's happening mostly in the Middle East with radical Muslims (a.k.a. terrorists).  Of course, now we (U.S.) automatically associate Muslim with terrorist, which is a horrible stereotype.  It's astounding that after hundreds, thousands of years, there are still people willing to kill over beliefs.  I guess they ran out of other things to fight about.

People will always find excuses to fight wars against people they don't like -- religion is an excellent means of roping people in and converting them to the same hateful mindset, though. I don't think people will ever stop killing in the name of god (despite the fact that none of the books actually condone murder unless you take an incredibly narrow view of what they say) until the end of the world, in which case I assume Jesus would come down and smack those sorts of people upside the head.

I actually do have reasons for believing that all religions are fictions.  The main reason is simply that there are so many religions, yet none of them have been proven.  I doubt there are multiple gods, and if there are, my ideas are more accurate than a single god.  Maybe its just the same god trying to mess us up and confuse us.  I know I would do that if I were him.  Furthermore, there haven't been any major claims (that I've heard of) of people witnessing the existence of these gods after their first appearance, which seems strange.  Of course, who would believe them at this point in time, anyway?  Another thing I find strange is that the people who started the religions all had a major role and were an idol, while I've done my best to state that I am nothing other than Guardianism's creator.

I think most holy books make allowances for the "where is god anyway?" question. I like to think the Invisible Dude(s) in the Sky merely take an indirect approach to things nowadays. The only time someone who controls everything needs to make a flashy display of presence is to convince people that he is, in fact, there. I guess we don't need convincing any more?

So really, my answer to "where is god?" would have to be "over there, bein' subtle about everything." That's one misconception of religion that annoys me -- that when god does anything, he needs to do it via massive flashy miracle. :x

As for that last point, if you knew someone who had spoken with god and acted as his pageboy, you'd be holding him in some degree of reverence, too. It makes sense to respect the prophets and draw lessons from how they lived their lives, just not to worship them as if they were god.

Side Note:
I like your diction a lot.  "Weaving fiction and calling it theology" - brilliant!  I always admire good writing.  I hope I'm not getting you angry at me.

:blush:
Nah, this is actually a fairly fun discussion, and you're taking criticism like a real champ.

 

[serrated_colon]

Study 2: Fira to Guardianism!

In my previous study, I had found many errors in Guardianism's interpretation in the sciences of magic, and I am here to offer many criticisms on why this religion is wrong, and should change accordingly.

Magic

Whenever someone says "magic," everyone thinks of either magic tricks or magic found in fantasy stories and games.  I've looked up magic on the Merriam-Webster site, and this is what I've found:
1 a: the use of means (as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces
b: magic rites or incantations
2 a: an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source b: something that seems to cast a spell
3: the art of producing illusions by sleight of hand

Both 1a and 2 are the definitions I'm dealing with when I say "magic."  I do not believe that incantations affect magic, so I omitted 1b, and 3 is talking about magic tricks.

Magic is found in almost all religions, even if it is not called magic.  It is referred to as blessings, divine intervention, etc., but it is all essentially the same.  It shouldn't be less believable simply because of the term I use.  I can think of many examples from other religions where I would call what someone did magic, but I will not name any of these because I do not know the exact details of other religions.

How dare you apply a human-created definition of this omnipotent concept! This definition is futile, and undeveloped! The very mind of a human cannot even begin to comprehend magic without complex study of how it works, and how to harness it. I find you are very immature when dealing with something so important. This is like defining Islam as HEH THEY FOLLOW QUR'AN.
Now, with the second statement you are just being pseudo philosophical. A blessing is not magic. It is the asking of a superior being for favour(these superior beings I have not studied, but I am very close in understanding magic to an extent that these beings can be summoned). This is not ESSENTIALLY THE SAME it's like saying pomme = pomme de terre they have the word pomme in common, so they must be essentially the same.

Another thing: Belief in magic does not mean you can harness the power than you cannot even understand.
As my principles state, the science of magic is very complex, and the aura of one's soul has to be at a certain point within the planeterial alignment(note:this does not mean the planets MUST BE ALIGNED it just depends on the order of nitrogen molecules, the isomers of nitrates around you etc.). So certain elements of the Aura must be understood before even TRYING to predict when magic is possible for one to use.

I will elaborate when you've made a reply, in Study 3: Firaga to the Jury.

 

[moog]

Farah are you being serious or just trolling, I cant tell.

 

[serrated_colon]

Farah are you being serious or just trolling, I cant tell.

what do you think
that I actually study magic?????

 

[moog]

Farah are you being serious or just trolling, I cant tell.

what do you think
that I actually study magic?????

Im just saying, were not in NFG anymore, so I couldnt really tell =(

 

[Dissonance]

Are you going to eventually abuse your position to get a hot harem - er, I mean, several respectable young wives?

 

[Sonata]

Are you for serious about this?

If so, why would you name it Guardianism? The fact that It's derived from your username makes it seem like this is a scheme to gather attention on a large amateur game development forum.

 

[GrooveMan.exe]

As this thread remains unlocked, does this mean that all other members that aren't part of the moderating team can set up a Q+A thread, for the sole purpose of attention whoring and ego-stroking?

OP, the fact that you even think we care about your self-generated religion leaves me in mild hysterics. Or at least rather energetic chuckling.

 

[serrated_colon]

As this thread remains unlocked, does this mean that all other members that aren't part of the moderating team can set up a Q+A thread, for the sole purpose of attention whoring and ego-stroking?

OP, the fact that you even think we care about your self-generated religion leaves me in mild hysterics. Or at least rather energetic chuckling.

hey i want him to reply to my post before this shit gets locked