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Why Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts Sucks Ass
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i don't think Microsoft really had anything to do with that, they did a great job on Conker: Live & ReLoaded. I really think it's a bunch of guys at the company wanting to push their cartoony aesthetic without really knowing how to make a good aesthetic. They go overboard with power and a lot of stuff is lost in translation.
Not to mention, if you read the Post-Mortem for Viva!Pinata on Gamasutra one of the lead developers mentions having the same problems that made Spore so underwhelming (some stupid fuck in the dev team wanting to make it kiddy.) What happened is they then had a schizophrenic game that was designed with lots of tongue in cheek dark humor but had too many confusing elements meant to appeal to kids.
I think Banjo Kazooie follows suit, where someone probably said "let's make a new BK game", then the concept of building vehicles came up, and eventually they brought down the bar of exploration to appeal to kids. All of the challenges are easy to find, and there's a map to follow along. I remember Kameo also having way too much hand-holding as well.
For some reason they're overcompensating as a company in just about every regard, when they did their best work by scaling back. In Banjo Kazooie you were gently led along (camera showing you where the next NPC with puzzle quests are) but you only had a vague idea of how to get there. And every now and then a puzzle piece of Jinjo would taunt you from a seemingly hard to reach area. Their earlier games really required lateral thinking, and visual clues where a rare commodity. Now they're so prevalent I wouldn't be surprised if Banjo's shadow started emmitting shiny twinkles for no reason.
Not to mention, if you read the Post-Mortem for Viva!Pinata on Gamasutra one of the lead developers mentions having the same problems that made Spore so underwhelming (some stupid fuck in the dev team wanting to make it kiddy.) What happened is they then had a schizophrenic game that was designed with lots of tongue in cheek dark humor but had too many confusing elements meant to appeal to kids.
I think Banjo Kazooie follows suit, where someone probably said "let's make a new BK game", then the concept of building vehicles came up, and eventually they brought down the bar of exploration to appeal to kids. All of the challenges are easy to find, and there's a map to follow along. I remember Kameo also having way too much hand-holding as well.
For some reason they're overcompensating as a company in just about every regard, when they did their best work by scaling back. In Banjo Kazooie you were gently led along (camera showing you where the next NPC with puzzle quests are) but you only had a vague idea of how to get there. And every now and then a puzzle piece of Jinjo would taunt you from a seemingly hard to reach area. Their earlier games really required lateral thinking, and visual clues where a rare commodity. Now they're so prevalent I wouldn't be surprised if Banjo's shadow started emmitting shiny twinkles for no reason.
But you're right. The biggest disappointment for me is the horrible hand-holding, which just shits all over the exploration aspect that made the first games so incredible. Also because of that, they don't have any real legitimate difficulty, so instead they plaster the game with raw frustration (mostly in the way of poor controls and awkward physics) instead of an actual difficulty curve.
At the same time, the game's growing on me. I REALLY DISLIKED the beginning but as I've played the game for much longer now (I think I'm around ten hours or so), I've finally gotten the hang of controlling the vehicles (yeah, it took that long), and now I have enough parts and blueprints unlocked to fly and stuff, and the game feels much better and more free and open.
As bad as this game is early on, it really does get much much better the more you play it. It still doesn't compare to the other games in the series, but it doesn't really feel like a CHORE anymore and it's becoming enjoyable.
At the same time, the game's growing on me. I REALLY DISLIKED the beginning but as I've played the game for much longer now (I think I'm around ten hours or so), I've finally gotten the hang of controlling the vehicles (yeah, it took that long), and now I have enough parts and blueprints unlocked to fly and stuff, and the game feels much better and more free and open.
As bad as this game is early on, it really does get much much better the more you play it. It still doesn't compare to the other games in the series, but it doesn't really feel like a CHORE anymore and it's becoming enjoyable.
ahh vg cats. You never cease to amaze me. 
But one thing I don't understand is why did they even bother making another one? I figured it be like how sonic has slowly and still continues to go downhill. :/ I never played the original Banjo because well it looked kinda lame to me but I mean it was just the demo. Maybe they could fix a lot of the suck by the time the game comes out? I don't know. Either ways
-Sonic
-Mario
-Banjo
should all just be laid to rest. The days of furry creatures ruling consoles are over. Everyone wants "sandbox games" and "FPS'" and shit like that. Cute little fuzzy shits are for kids.
:/
But one thing I don't understand is why did they even bother making another one? I figured it be like how sonic has slowly and still continues to go downhill. :/ I never played the original Banjo because well it looked kinda lame to me but I mean it was just the demo. Maybe they could fix a lot of the suck by the time the game comes out? I don't know. Either ways
-Sonic
-Mario
-Banjo
should all just be laid to rest. The days of furry creatures ruling consoles are over. Everyone wants "sandbox games" and "FPS'" and shit like that. Cute little fuzzy shits are for kids.
:/
Makasu":1rotqrzg said:ahh vg cats. You never cease to amaze me.
But one thing I don't understand is why did they even bother making another one? I figured it be like how sonic has slowly and still continues to go downhill. :/ I never played the original Banjo because well it looked kinda lame to me but I mean it was just the demo. Maybe they could fix a lot of the suck by the time the game comes out? I don't know. Either ways
-Sonic
-Mario
-Banjo
should all just be laid to rest. The days of furry creatures ruling consoles are over. Everyone wants "sandbox games" and "FPS'" and shit like that. Cute little fuzzy shits are for kids.
:/
wow dude either this is a troll or i just lost alot of respect for you.
as for this game, im looking forward to it. its gotten solid reviews as far as i can tell, so imma pick it up.
man i really miss how fun the old games were... when sonic was a side-scrollin speed demon and everyone could group in their living room and play banjo and kazooie 2 on multi-player
my sister picked up this sonic game for the 360 called "Sonic The Hedgehog" and it is terriblee...
I haven't even played the Banjo and Kazooie demo because I want all of my memories of playing this franchise to be good, and from what I'm hearing if I played the demo, that dream would be shattered.
my sister picked up this sonic game for the 360 called "Sonic The Hedgehog" and it is terriblee...
I haven't even played the Banjo and Kazooie demo because I want all of my memories of playing this franchise to be good, and from what I'm hearing if I played the demo, that dream would be shattered.
I used to respect you,too :/moog":xekq7gk6 said:Makasu":xekq7gk6 said:ahh vg cats. You never cease to amaze me.
But one thing I don't understand is why did they even bother making another one? I figured it be like how sonic has slowly and still continues to go downhill. :/ I never played the original Banjo because well it looked kinda lame to me but I mean it was just the demo. Maybe they could fix a lot of the suck by the time the game comes out? I don't know. Either ways
-Sonic
-Mario
-Banjo
should all just be laid to rest. The days of furry creatures ruling consoles are over. Everyone wants "sandbox games" and "FPS'" and shit like that. Cute little fuzzy shits are for kids.
:/
wow dude either this is a troll or i just lost alot of respect for you.
as for this game, im looking forward to it. its gotten solid reviews as far as i can tell, so imma pick it up.
(If it isn't a troll of course)
Fayte":2gzbmrlr said:man i really miss how fun the old games were... when sonic was a side-scrollin speed demon and everyone could group in their living room and play banjo and kazooie 2 on multi-player
my sister picked up this sonic game for the 360 called "Sonic The Hedgehog" and it is terriblee...
I haven't even played the Banjo and Kazooie demo because I want all of my memories of playing this franchise to be good, and from what I'm hearing if I played the demo, that dream would be shattered.
it's not THAT bad. it's bad in that it doesn't PLAY much like a banjo-kazooie game, but the characters, writing and the world are solidly banjo and are still very good. the game has the classic rare humour (yes i used a 'u' because rare's humor is so british that i am spelling it as a british word to differentiate!!) that made the original banjo games so good.
the game certainly doesn't live up to the others at all but it is in no way a total insult to the franchise like the modern sonic games. playing it won't ruin the series for you or anything
in fact once you really get into the game past the first half or so the game becomes incredibly fun. it seems like a real CHORE getting to the point where you have so much freedom, but once you are there (having enough parts to build some really zany vehicles) then the games changes and becomes incredibly enjoyable. in fact i'm gonna go play it now see ya later suckaz *grinds down the entire side of eiffel tower*
and those games are not kid's games >8|
just because they're brightly colored and cute and have an "E" ESRB rating, it doesnt mean that it can't be enjoyed by everyone. I still cream my pants for mario games. They're fun as hell. And for your info, i enjoy the brightly colored cute look. it's refreshing after playing 100 FPS's with drab brown and grey environments and graphic gore. (though yes i like those games too still, i mean i like variation in styles/levity)
just because they're brightly colored and cute and have an "E" ESRB rating, it doesnt mean that it can't be enjoyed by everyone. I still cream my pants for mario games. They're fun as hell. And for your info, i enjoy the brightly colored cute look. it's refreshing after playing 100 FPS's with drab brown and grey environments and graphic gore. (though yes i like those games too still, i mean i like variation in styles/levity)