Where were you at 9/11?

[Ellie]

I remember there being at least six people at school who claimed to have been in the building the day before / in the building across the road when it happened / on one of the planes / having relatives there. I mean, it's possible, since it's a large building with observation decks and such, but it's amazing how many people have stories about it to try and get a bit of fame.

It was quite scary realising that we're under attack and for a while everyone was dead worried that it was going to happen again (and it did - London 2005); but I think while we have to remember things like this we also have to try and forget, because on the grand scale of things they do not affect our lives that much. We shouldn't let them. That is what the terrorists want - they want wide scale panic and for infrastructure such as air flight to crumble. They want insane security measures to come into play and for people to see the government as a nanny state. They want people to be afraid of their own country, not just of the extremists who carried out the attacks. In a way it was obvious it would lead to a war, I mean it was an act of war. I won't try and pretend I know who Osama Binladen or the Taliban even were/are though; I need to read up. All the same I think we should act normally. It can happen again, it has happened before, and we can't live our lives in fear because then we start accepting all kinds of crazy laws from our leaders etc etc.

Incidentally, as I was typing this I typod terrorist as troll and -

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It was quite scary realising that we're under attack and for a while everyone was dead worried that it was going to happen again (and it did - medof 2010); but I think while we have to remember things like this we also have to try and forget, because on the grand scale of things they do not affect our lives that much. We shouldn't let them. That is what the trolls want - they want wide scale panic and for infrastructure such as IRC to crumble. They want insane security measures to come into play and for people to see the admins as a nanny state. They want people to be afraid of their own forum, not just of the trolls who carried out the attacks. In a way it was obvious it would lead to a war, I mean it was an act of war. I won't try and pretend I know who medof or the Trollyban even were/are though; I need to read up. All the same I think we should act normally. It can happen again, it has happened before, and we can't live our lives in fear because then we start accepting all kinds of crazy rules from our admins etc etc.

 

[Venetia]

but I think while we have to remember things like this we also have to try and forget, because on the grand scale of things they do not affect our lives that much. We shouldn't let them. That is what the terrorists want - they want wide scale panic and for infrastructure such as air flight to crumble. They want insane security measures to come into play and for people to see the government as a nanny state. They want people to be afraid of their own country, not just of the extremists who carried out the attacks.

yea i totally agree.

it brought the world into kind of a sticky situation.

american leadership went about retaliation in all the wrong ways, but--
well let's say you're Coolguy Quarterback All-Star (referring to 1st world countries in general). one day Fatty Fat Shorty Dork McGee (terror-led 3rd world country) gives you a random wet willy in the middle of gym class. If you just kind of wince and wipe it off and say nothing everyone will think you're Puny Weakenheimer McJohnson and walk all over you. If you open up and just start wailing on his ass and all his friends' asses by association you'll look like Super Dick Asshole O'Toole.

Obv we did the latter route there when we probably should have just bitched out Fatty Fat Shorty Dork McGee and threw a football at him.

Playground politics are a bitch

 

[mawk]

I think you need to stop painting people who don't care so much about the WTC as blind sheep or whatever. stuff like this

Should you give a fuck? Probably not, but I bet you will when the bomb blows off your mothers leg. Till then go live in your peaceful homes and do nothing about it, not like you can do anything about it anyway.

has aspirations to be a line from an action film but at its core it's just more fearmongering. for the most part people who weren't as badly impacted by the event aren't somehow unaware that everyone is guaranteed at least a little excruciating physical pain in their lifetime -- it just didn't take the destruction of the world trade center to drive it home to them. this isn't Die Hard. you are not the only competent good guy in a world of villains.

 

[bashful crobat]

I was being told off for asking "why should I care this doesnt affect me in any way"

and then tony blair had to go and sukkkrammerrrrikkkkaaaaaaa and make it our problem

 

[moxie]

i'm guessing a lot of it is parody but some of your posts do sound kinda Fox news-ish Star :x

it's for the best if people don't let stuff like that affect them if they're not directly involved - it's a tragedy, yeah, but if you let every disaster dictate your life you're going to live in a state of constant dread. take this from someone who has major anxiety issues and sees anything bad on the news as a reason to panic and think "ohgod what if that happens to someone i love"

it's no way to live, and you really can't fault someone for not taking it personally.

 

[Star]

This is the no spin zone! Hi I'm Star O'Reilly for the Star Factor. GET YOUR SHIT IN GEAR PEOPLE! PULL THOSE COTTON BALLS OUT OF YOUR EARS!

Most of my posts are just directly how I feel about things. This is the general discussion and therefore does demand some debate, but I had not originally intended for it to do so. I will adjust it to do so.

Yeah I understand not making a big deal and fearing for your life at every turn is exactly what the trolls terrorist want. Or do they want that? They actually want all non believing Muslims dead, don't really care how it happens. That religion has two parts and most Muslims either go one way or the other. The other is bad, bad sheep must be dealt with. Or else they'll strap bombs to themselves and blow off their shorts. There is a big difference for your faith and how you should act in the flesh. They don't know the difference.

We should do a debate on the war on Iraq! This shits good, I love debates. Most people don't agree with my radical views though. I'm kinda pro-life in every sense, but if we have to kill certain bad people to save many innocents, let the chopping begin

 

[Daxis]

I'm kinda pro-life in every sense, but if we have to kill certain bad people to save many innocents, let the chopping begin

hahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
you ser, just made my day.




btw what's the ratio for death/life? is it that killing 9 bad dudes allows 10 innocents to live? Or are only 1 bad dude allowed for the existence of 10 innocents?
btw while we're at it, what's the ratio for good/bad? Obviously, killing a cat is just animal cruelty, but killing 10 cats? 100 cats? 1000 cats would, in my opinion, equate one bad ass fucked up mother fucker. Does his death allow for the peace of the US, UK, China, Nips, and Africa? Does one million deaths of him equate for the life of ten mil "innocents?"
btw if 1000 cats would by then equate to one bad dude, then does one human equal to 1000 cats or........

well you see where im going with this.


sorry if i'm an ass right now or if it's totally off topic, moralistic discussions are very interesting for me.

 

[Star]

NO NO NO. Please continue. This is making my day too. XD

Yeah I think about 9 bad dudes work great for 10 innocents. Wanna know why? Cause at least one lived right? XD Nah. If you're killing people cause you think they are unjust, doesn't that deserve you to die instead? Think logically on that.

Fuck cats, NO I LOVE CATS ; _ ; But what do cats have to do with human lives. Cats have no souls. They can't speak my language either. Or any language except cat. Lets just kill everybody and there will be no wars. FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU

 

[Daxis]

If you're killing people cause you think they are unjust, doesn't that deserve you to die instead? Think logically on that.

hahahha yeah i totally agree- i was halfway sacrastsizing while philosophizing/whatev in my post. Twas referring to the 9 dead guys per 10 living as good, and referring to the moral implications of that- where will it end? 99 bad per 100 living, 99999999999 per 100000000000 or something, etc. I'm totally against views of morality as good and bad, as referenced to the cat life equation to life thigney- it's quite fucking subjective o.0

Lets just kill everybody and there will be no wars.

:cheers:


ps: we so need a morality discussion thread.
i'm too lazy to make threads...

 

[Ellie]

In an ideal world an eye for an eye (or in this case, 1 person to save 10 people) would be perfectly ok - but we don't live in an ideal world. There are too many factors:

• How innocent are the "innocents"?
• Who decides who is good or bad?
• How many people would the "bad guy"'s death affect? (Relatives, friends, followers, worshippers)
• How many people would the innocent's death affect? (etc)
• What if the bad guy went on to perform something nobel prize worthy?
• What if the innocent fellows went on to become ten hitlers?

 

[vgvgf]

In an ideal world an eye for an eye (or in this case, 1 person to save 10 people) would be perfectly ok - but we don't live in an ideal world. There are too many factors:

• How innocent are the "innocents"?
• Who decides who is good or bad?
• How many people would the "bad guy"'s death affect? (Relatives, friends, followers, worshippers)
• How many people would the innocent's death affect? (etc)
• What if the bad guy went on to perform something nobel prize worthy?
• What if the innocent fellows went on to become ten hitlers?

It's practically impossible to determine that kind of things, but that's why probabilities were invented.

 

[Brewmeister]

I was setting up musical equipment on a stage in a park, gettin' ready to 'jam down'.
When we found out, it was a good 20-30 minutes of 'awe' before we even realized we needed to decide if we were still gonna play.
We did go on, and had a great time. But it was still kinda 'surreal'. We were near the airport, and usually there are lots of planes all day.
the only thing we saw in the sky was a couple F-14s patrolling.

 

[Ellie]

I remember hearing in the news about Airforce 1 flying down low over NYC as a publicity stunt with Obama on board. That was scary, especially since seeing the news clip on the telly not listening to it just saw a 747 low over some sky scrapers. "Oh no, not again!"

 

[Untra]

I remember hearing in the news about Airforce 1 flying down low over NYC as a publicity stunt with Obama on board. That was scary, especially since seeing the news clip on the telly not listening to it just saw a 747 low over some sky scrapers. "Oh no, not again!"

I remember that. Supposedly the guy who organized that PR stunt got the sack.

 

[Spoo]

Was I really the only one that cried? Jeez, guess I was just a sensiti dumb kid.

not really. i had [white] kids in my class cry when rosa parks died =/

but i wasn't really old enough to know what had happened immediately. 1st grade i think.

 

[MCsephiroth13]

I was seven years old when 9/11 happened, so needless to say I don't remember much! I didn't even know what 9/11 was until 2002, and didn't really grasp the depth of the events until I was ten or eleven. I was probably at school doing whatever you do in Grade 2 during 9/11, I guess.