What's YOUR perfect president

[Venetia]

That's cool, I was already sure ya knew, but jes wanted to get that out :D. ILU <3

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

I modified my post cause half of it didn't post

But I would call it flip flopping and selling out - not so much that he's saying who'll have control over the issues, or how they'll deal - but rather changing his own personal stance on it.
That's what makes a sell out.  When you argue for something, when you want to see something happen and you publicly denounce those who are against it - only to be one of those when the time counts is flip flopping and selling out.

When you say you want equal rights, and then you don't - merely to get support - I'd call that exactly what I called it.

What was added.

 

[Venetia]

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But I would call it flip flopping and selling out - not so much that he's saying who'll have control over the issues, or how they'll deal - but rather changing his own personal stance on it.
That's what makes a sell out.  When you argue for something, when you want to see something happen and you publicly denounce those who are against it - only to be one of those when the time counts is flip flopping and selling out.

But then no one would ever be elected for anything because they'd lose all their votes to swing too far in one hot-topic direction that opposes the general sentiment of their party.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

Good.
Then we'd have people elected who actually stuck to their guns and we know where they stand.

I only know where certain people stand on certain issues, who the hell knows where they'd stand tomorrow.  It's a far worse system than people changing views every few months, but at least we'd have a solid ground to view them on.  They'd be the worse political machines in the world, but at least they'd seem human.

I'd rather have someone who was unpopular who stuck to their guns than someone who changed masks simply to be part of the in-crowd.

*sigh*
But it's true.  Honesty is the destruction of any global power.  The government is only as strong as the lies we tell.

 

[Kaoii]

Rudy can't manage his own family, how could he possibly have hoped to manage an entire country (especially when that country's own system of family values is falling apart) ?

That goes against his own platform of being a conservative, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Venetia]

Rudy can't manage his own family, how could he possibly have hoped to manage an entire country (especially when that country's own system of family values is falling apart) ?

That's a terrible argument. Not that the way you said it was awful, but I'm sick of a person's personal life being called into question in regards to how they do a job. Not necessarily by you, I'm talking about in general.

I have a ridiculous amount of personal shit going on, my family used to use/sell pot and meth, I have a tendency toward both genders, am religionless, and have completely excommunicated my parents. But I am an EXCELLENT worker, get everything done on time or better, come in on time, get full raises, etc. Personal life does not necessarily spill over into professional life, and if you're a professional person, it won't.

It's pointless to defend Rudy now, but I'm just saying this for the sake of saying it. A person's past or personal life should hold LITTLE TO NO BEARING on their career. Of course severe things, like drug/drinking problems, or severe illnesses, will affect anything. But divorces, philandering, things done in college, I don't give two shits about. We want a person who can lead the country and make decisions; we shouldn't want a magical fairy with no skeletons in their closets, because that's just tabloid fodder. The reason our country is so f'ing retarded nowadays is because we've lost sight of the important issues to focus on frivolous gossip.

 

[Kaoii]

It's not his current state I'm calling on, it's how he got there.

Your situation is not your fault. His is.

Again, this is my personal opinion and in retrospect it really doesn't matter. I just believe that our President should not only do an excellent job, but be an example to the rest of the world as well. He is our main representative, after all.

 

[Venetia]

Are you talking about the fact that he was a successful mayor and politician who ran for President? Because that doesn't sound much like a FAIL in life.

Or are you talking about his campaign failure? Because that was caused by poor strategy and the fact that he couldn't wrangle the conservative vote with his platforms.

 

[Kaoii]

Well, like I just said, you are entitled to your opinions as I am to mine. I didn't intend to spark an argument with a moderator, and this honestly isn't something to argue about anyway since he isn't running anymore in the first place.

I do agree with you that overspending is probably the biggest problem in our country (a quick example would be those rebate checks that came from thin air).

 

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Personally I wouldn't want for a president anyone trying to "manage his family."  A family, something like a nation, is made up of lots of individuals with their own ideas, their own wants and needs, and they aren't always going to agree with eachother. The last thing, the absolute last thing I ever want in a president, is a person who is going to get in and try to "manage" me or anyone else to make sure we get along and stick together and follow his agenda no matter what.

I'm not saying family turmoil is a good sign of a candidate who values liberty, but a rigid, cold politically minded family like, for instance, Clinton's or Bush's, really frightens me.  All that tells me is they know how to put on a polite front and sweep problems under the rug where hopefully people won't find out about them and they won't have to address them.  Basically, they know how to spin bullshit at the expense of personal health and happiness, and they know how to use manipulation and lies to keep people in line.  Fuck that, no thank you, I'll take a fucked up family life over that any time.

More directly @Kaoii, please, argue with the mods here, this is the symposium.  I'd completely lose respect for any moderator who tried to use their position as an internet forum moderator to push their opinion, and I doubt if Sixty or Venetia or any of the other mods would expect you to treat them specially here except in terms of violating forum rules.

 

[Kaoii]

The last thing, the absolute last thing I ever want in a president, is a person who is going to get in and try to "manage" me or anyone else to make sure we get along and stick together and follow his agenda no matter what.

.... Basically, they know how to spin bullshit at the expense of personal health and happiness, and they know how to use manipulation and lies to keep people in line.  Fuck that, no thank you, I'll take a fucked up family life over that any time.

That would be fascism :P

please, argue with the mods here, this is the symposium.  I'd completely lose respect for any moderator who tried to use their position as an internet forum moderator to push their opinion, and I doubt if Sixty or Venetia or any of the other mods would expect you to treat them specially here except in terms of violating forum rules.

It's still fine to agree to disagree, because conflicting personal values like that are unlikely to be worked out on any sort of internet forum.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

Well, like I just said, you are entitled to your opinions as I am to mine. I didn't intend to spark an argument with a moderator, and this honestly isn't something to argue about anyway since he isn't running anymore in the first place.

Just going to throw in something... Why not spark an argument with a moderator?

We're not special, our arguments aren't somehow higher than someone else's.  Our opinions are just as crappy as everyone else's I assure you - argue with us all you like.
I enjoy debates, and would rather hope people don't see the moderator badge and not argue against me.

Hell, you have any idea how many times I could have convinced someone they were going to get warned over a symposium debate if I wanted to? XD I'm a really good liar - I passed French in HS without a single class in Fch002a (a=advanced), I could really abuse a crappy mod power if we were all evil and hell bent.  Though I'm sure that wasn't what you meant, just making sure people understand.  We may be cruel and heartless, but we're not out to change the world one forum member at a time.

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Oh and Nphyx, you better keep believing I'm not using my moderator status to push my opinions as truth.  We mods can ban now MWA HA Haoooh wait, you didn't hear that.

-on topic:
I'm going to be honest now regardless of what I've said.
I'm a conflicting guy, I like two natures in people.  And I hold my political figures as people - oddly - and expect them to act like they are.  So naturally, I want two opposite and polar points.

On one hand I want the honest guy who will exploit the system when it's for good.  Who isn't above the law, but isn't afraid to call out the law in the publics eye.  Obviously since good and evil are like beauty - complete bullshit considering it doesn't exist universally, I'm really referring to my own views.

At the same time I'd rather vote for the guy who kicked me in the balls and convinced me it never happened.  I wasn't kicked in the balls.  I just naturally hurt down there every now and again.  What?  No, he didn't steal my Pepsi, I must've drank it all.  No, no I didn't get punched, I fell on a door knob.

Put them together and you have the scariest thing in the world.  A politician trying to help someone, and getting the job done.

 

[Kaoii]

Though I'm sure that wasn't what you meant, just making sure people understand.  We may be cruel and heartless, but we're not out to change the world one forum member at a time.

No, I wasn't incenuating that :p

 

[Venetia]

You know who I want as prez?

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JACK FUCKING THOMPSON (attorney)

Who is Jack Thompson?

He is a douchepillow bent on destroying all video games because the Columbine shooters and Heath High School shooter sometimes played Counterstrike.

I think a FUPAwad like Jack Thompson could get shit done in the country. He stands for JUSTICE

yes i am joking if anyone quotes me to tell me how stupid i am i swear i will cry tears of oatmeal

Spoiler: FUCK YES

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.... Okay I'm done hijacking now.

 

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Actually he's in the process of getting disbarred right now :D  But if I call you stupid will you send pictures of the oatmeal? :DD