Topless equal rights?

[FlippyD]

Ah well, I'm outta bullshit reasons :P

The nature of the situation is mostly futile at the moment. Women topless in public is considered "indecent" by many people. Why? For many reasons, mostly dealing with stuff already discussed (religious misunderstandings and fear.) I'm being pessimistic and realistic for no real reason, what's the point of discussing the subject if you've covered the gamut of the issue unless you're going to do something about it?

Further, your bold statement is moot since the whole topic for the past several posts has been nothing but that.

 

[Venetia]

on the subject of brassiere comfort...

i myself am a woman and i possess (rather large) breastesses, so I can tell you that bras shouldn't be uncomfortable, unless it's a pushup bra for a special occasion. actually, they should be nearly so comfortable that you forget they're there.

If they're not comfortable, you need to be formally refitted for a new one. discomfort in a bra is a bad sign and continuously cramped bosoms and crimps in the blood supply to your mammaries can increase the probability of getting breast cancer.

bras have been around for hundreds of years, and in past decades, companies have taken GREAT strides in providing comfort, so a chick should be more than able to find one perfect for them, if they look hard enough. Though I heard a statistic that something like 70% of women are wearing the wrong bra size for one reason or another, usually unwillingness for a formal fitting.

the pursuit of bralessness, in the minds of MOST women, is about some hippie feminist rebellion against male-ocracies or some stupid thing. the fact of the matter is, bras help keep your boobs nicely shaped, keeps them looking good, and keeps the nipples sensitive (very important! heh).

that is all for this little informational segment.

 

[mawk]

Though I heard a statistic that something like 70% of women are wearing the wrong bra size for one reason or another, usually unwillingness for a formal fitting.

(is it cuz they're afraid their boobs are smaller than they think?)

(if they started selling bras for penises men would beat your statistic by an extra 20%. i'll bet you one, um, hugscoupon.)

 

[Venetia]

Though I heard a statistic that something like 70% of women are wearing the wrong bra size for one reason or another, usually unwillingness for a formal fitting.

(is it cuz they're afraid their boobs are smaller than they think?)

actually they typically buy bras that are too small for them.

 

[FlippyD]

Though I heard a statistic that something like 70% of women are wearing the wrong bra size for one reason or another, usually unwillingness for a formal fitting.

(is it cuz they're afraid their boobs are smaller than they think?)

(if they started selling bras for penises men would beat your statistic by an extra 20%. i'll bet you one, um, hugscoupon.)

No, it's because you have to buy multiple bras overtime, and unlike many other articles of clothing it's not exactly one size fits all. Breasts can come in many shapes and sizes and why bother going through several pairs when you can find a few that work and stick with it. Hell, most women don't wear matching bras and panties anyway.

 

[mawk]

(um ixis I was setting up for a penis joke based on the "unwillingness for a formal fitting" thing? you insult my breast literacy. ;=

 

[FlippyD]

(um guys I was setting up for a penis joke? I'm not breast-illiterate! >:0)

There is no place for penis jokes here.

 

[hima]

I wholeheartedly agree with Chimmy Ray's post here
http://www.rmxp.org/forums/http://dev.r ... 02#p502502

Of course, I find it uncomfortable to imagine women walking around topless, but there isn't anything wrong with the logic. And after all, it's rights. You can choose to do it. It's your choice.  But like Chimmy Ray said, the current society is not ready for this.

 

[FlippyD]

Believe me, after a while seeing women topless is about as exciting as watching paint dry (especially if you go to art college and happen to see 47 slightly overweight women on an almost daily basis. Nothing against the models though, they're the nicest most patient people in the goddamn world.)

I think society is changing, slowly, but it's changing for the better.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

I guess I'm weird.

Some people believe that modern porn is going to produce pedophiles somehow.  That by showcasing more and more shaved women, and the "trendy" pursuit of young wide eyed looking females is going to do this.  I don't see the logic myself.

My "brother's" wife's cousin lives with them.  Her name is Stephanie.  If I was her age, I definitely would have tried to hit that.  She looks very much like the girls I was with when I was 14.  She's well developed, to the point that it annoys her family when boys look at her, etc.

I've seen a lot of nudity in my life.  I was probably the most sexually active when I was younger and with girls who were naturally bald, young, and wide eyed.  Yet Stephanie could sit on my lap, or we can lay on the couch.  She could cuddle up to me afraid to look at the TV during a scary movie.  I can toss her around the pool while she's in her bikini and trying to dunk me - and not one spark of arousal.

Am I that good, that I have that much virtue to ignore any sexual arousal that would come from body presence, heat, and contact with someone who is actually attractive - simply because she's underage by law?  Am I desensitized from all the nudity or sexual activity in my life?  If that was the case, would I not be able to get aroused in the same situations with other people?  Or maybe, because I'm desensitized to automatic arousal from seeing so much that it doesn't affect me, merely seeing it.

A girl in a bikini is not a spark for arousal.  I don't stop walking to view a woman's chest bounce as they walk down the boardwalk.  If it's not an erotic situation, I almost don't respond in the way one might have thought.

I've been sent pics by people I know.
Some have automatic responses, they don't even have to be sexual, a smile and a look in the eye can cause a stir of thought.  The difference is attraction that's already established, and the situation that they've been sent.  Someone could be my friend, and send me pics and accidentally include erotic pics.  If the context is such it could stir something, otherwise nothing happens.  Why?

Because the human instinct is out of whack.  We've reverse desensitized. Further sensitized that we would be, should be.  We hide and consider it all a noble secret, we romanticize virtues and alternately taboo our drives to the point it's turned upside down and confused.  It's like teaching a sea turtle to live to reverse it's drives, to live on land for majority and spend little time at sea.  It could technically be done, but the ramifications are intense and freakish.

 

[FlippyD]

It's the repression that really causes the problem. You're told not to think about it, and at the same time your left with nothing but thinking about it. It builds up the tension and confusion. It's a natural drive like hunger. You deprive someone of eating a fulfilling meal and they begin to crave it and weird food fetishes come up or something, I dunno. Hell, I'm hungry now for those fucking chocolate chip muffins downstairs I've been meaning to hold off on.

So yeah like, women's breasts are like muffins in a no-muffin world. The man says "muffins are erotic, and make men go crazy with their sugary soft delights, so we must keep them in little wax and cellophane wrappers, and-" Jesus Christ all I can think about is those fucking muffins. Their texture grows softer, the chocolate chips are more gooey and I can smell it from here.

I eventually give in and the muffin wrapper lies dead and defiled in the kitchen trash. I feel an overriding pang of guilt for eating the muffin. "Why did I do that? I'm not supposed to! Other men don't eat muffins like me, I'm a terrible sinner..." I draw back to the golden summer of my youth, sneaking a donut under the old oak back on Gramma's farm and indulging in it's sweet nectar. I knew naught of the lawlessness of the act. The jelly center brushed on my lip gave me away, and I was punished severely for an act so wrong and yet so right as to make all the voices of heaven and hell cry out in a cacophony of sound so immense as to split the sinews of a man's mind.

I breath deeply...

Regaining composure I resume my life as if nothing happened. The act shared by myself and the muffin is nothing but a lie, the muffin's entire life: the kneading, the baking, the waxing, all pearls of memory dismissed so quickly by a willing mind.

"I cannot have done that" -- says my pride, and remains adamant. At last -- memory yields.



Jesus Christ I'm a pretentious little shit

 

[Dissonance]

It's legal in Canada :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3

 

[mawk]

...

Really.

I guess between this and the sex age thing, we Canadians just aren't so uptight as you guys.

HA!

 

[FlippyD]

But it's warmer here and we don't have the french. Who would want to go topless in Canada?

 

[Stardust]

Now I want a chocolate chip muffin.  It is forbidden for me because I'm allergic to chocolate.  And every time I have chocolate, the first thought is, "I shouldn't have eaten that," and the second thought is, "but it was really good."  We always crave what we shouldn't have.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

Shouldn't have - or are told not to have.
There's a massive difference.

 

[Stardust]

Shouldn't have - or are told not to have.
There's a massive difference.

Good question.  It's the latter in most situations.  We're told that we shouldn't have it, which is why I said the first.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

I know what you said earlier, but it's how you ended it.
Most people don't see a separation between the two.  Being told you shouldn't, becomes you shouldn't.  I can tell you that you shouldn't believe in God.  Does that mean you shouldn't?  I can tell you, you should have religion, does that mean you should?  Not so much you personally, I hope I'm being obvious with my use of the word "you" as the universal anyperson.

You are raised by a set of rules.  These rules are designed partially for safety, partially for protection (which is not always safety), and partially for control.  A majority of old school rules are there to control, they may protect and keep us safe - but the goal is clear.  Control.

Let's not forget nudity wasn't a big deal once.
Even so much into the Victorian era, women and men were still acceptable partially nude.  Full nudity in the poorer places, naturally was easier to come by and accept.  In the richer places we designated a separation, we had the "good" type of people, and the "common" type of people.  A "good" person wore extravagant things.  The "common" person wore whatever they could have that was best suited at the time, and at times that was nothing, or very close to nothing.

The Victorian era, and I'm actually wrong it isn't the Victorian movement I'm thinking of, but I always screw the name up so forgive me, was infamous for the ethics and morals that would later be the tail tell sign of civilized world.  A woman not walking by herself, and only with a male relative or husband.  A child was something to see, not hear.  You spoke to superior people when spoken too, and not out of turn - notice though that superior people was pretty much a nice way for me to say richer and more connected people.  This over time became romanticized, and is remembered for being such a perfect time and place - even though like the knights and samurai we're talking out of our asses and have everything backwards about it in these little day dreams of eras gone by.

This is where much of our "shouldn't" comes in.
Thing is people forget this isn't something we "shouldn't" do, it's something we're told that we "shouldn't" do.

 

[Button]

i fully support any woman who wants to walk around the city topless.

in fact, i am in such support, i will give them money, whenever I see them. and i'll probably applaud her heroic efforts, and buy her a drink.

because then i won't have to go to strip clubs anymore :thumb:

thats why

its because people  make a bigger fuss over a topless woman than a topless man. a topless man can walk around and no one would care (not enough to make a big deal about it). if a woman walks around topless people would make comments about/ to her (some that she may find offensive) and more attention would be drawn.

But why the extra attention?
well all i can say  is that it must be a natural process in a males body to be aroused by a womans chest. and for woman and I m not saying this to be a pig. but jealously. jealous at the fact that the topless woman is recieving more attention the other or sympathy and or ange, sadness, etc for the topless woman given the type of attention given.

But why dont women react the same as men towards a topless male?

Once again genetic makeup. a woman may not be aroused by a topless man or in a way to act or draw alot of attention to it

It basically comes down to a males genetic make-up that makes us behave in a maner that would upset women for whatever reason be it sympathy ,anger, etc. so it is made that they to be clothed because the males can deal with it and it keeps women happy.

Sorry If that seemed sexist or offensive that is not what i was trying to do. I was just answering the question in a way that I thought was correct not to discriminate agaisnt. once again sorry if I offended anyone

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

It basically comes down to a males genetic make-up that makes us behave in a maner that would upset women for whatever reason be it sympathy ,anger, etc. so it is made that they to be clothed because the males can deal with it and it keeps women happy.

If it were genetic it would occur on it's own.

It does not occur in the poorer lands, 3rd world countries, as much as it does anywhere else.  It certainly doesn't occur when young children to young or naive for social taboos are by themselves, or when young people old enough to fend for themselves but still young end up lost in wild.

It's a social taboo, not a genetic one.  We built it, but it's not built into us.  It's not our foundation, but an addition laid to rest on top of it, blocking it.  Shifting it with it's weight.  God, I'm making a structural construction metaphor here - I really need to keep this vacation from work going!

We aren't predisposed to breasts in a sexual way, we become so because we are taught so.  Just like we aren't naturally predisposed to enjoy videogames, we just learned to.