The "I Support Good Grammar" Sig Uses Bad Grammar. FIX IT!

[Venetia]

only 13 year olds who are lined up for honors courses in middle school/equivalent care about grammar

they are just learning that they are smart and that others aren't as much

so they flaunt it by being pretentiously annoyed with other peoples' supposed ineptitudes

completely ignoring the fact that life is too shitty to care about such stupid things

and that they're the stupidest of all

because they're young

and then i rape them

 

[mawk]

imo the way I type is an art form and anyone who takes issue to it is a philistine

 

[PK8]

I stand completely guilty of being a total nazi on stuff like that. But I can explain! I blame the friends of mine on MySpace and Facebook who would replace their Gs with Qs and capitalise their Os (example: "m3 @nd my fri3ndsz visit3d q3Orqia fOr a week"), capitalise the first letter of every word in their sentences and then replace certain letters with signs or numbers. Sometimes my head would hurt just trying to read what they're saying. Also, I can't stand it when people don't place any kind of punctuation mark on their sentences.

It also gives me a headache when some people on support forums expect help yet type out their sentences like that, as if anyone providing the support is supposed to decipher their shit. :|:

This disdain of mine for this sort of thing wasn't just instant, it gradually built up and now I just get all bitter and stuff when I see things like that. Okay, so I wouldn't go around correcting everyone's grammer and whatnot but seeing it makes me headdesk/facepalm every once in a while.

Eh, I'm just getting a little carried away. :tongue:

 

[j4kl1ng3r]

imo the way I type is an art form and anyone who takes issue to it is a philistine

 

[Tindy]

It's not bad all the time, but I generally find (for one reason or another) that the way you type directly correlates to how you sound in my head. So, if u type leik dis an stuf, I'm immediately going to disregard everything you say, because you sound like a 13-year-old spoiled pop princess.

Shortcuts (imo, imho, btw, etc) just help with typing. Typing 'dis' or 'kewl' are not shortcuts.

and when you talk like its chill on hbgames i generally know its chill

But I do the same thing with handwriting. My ex-boyfriend had a scrawl like a five-year-old -> everytime I read a note from him, I couldn't help but imagine it being written *by* a five year old.

 

[Glitchfinder]

Shouldn't the title say "Improper Grammar", instead of "Bad Grammar"? What I'm trying to point out is that no one is perfect, and that when you're pointing out grammatical errors, you have to make sure that you make none of your own. If you make some mistakes of your own, it just means that you're a hypocrite.

 

[Venetia]

:x

 

[Guest]

;D

 

[Jason]

... maybe even your face.

 

[glorious caesar]

oh man grammar.

this is a humongous issue that i legitimately care about. i mean my honors thesis for my senior year of college was all about grammar on the internet. it's probably hugely nerdy but THE GRAMMAR ISSUE is kind of my thing and i'm passionate about it. my years as an english major have taught me a LOT about what's proper and what's not—and in any kind of professional setting my writing can be "technically" flawless

but there are areas where things don't have to be professional. the internet—this message board—is the perfect example of "casual" writing. here, i don't use capital letters or punctuation the way it's meant to be used. why? because i'm emphasizing my words in a way that mimic casual conversation.

when you consider the popularity of the internet in the modern world, it's impossible to ignore the fact that WRITTEN LANGUAGE is being used in ways it's never been used before. in the past, newspapers, books, etc—were all about reaching an audience; SPREADING THE WORD about something. but now, with forums, instant messaging, texting, etc—the written language is being used much more casually (and by everyone). the language itself, as a form of CONVERSATION, is evolving to the point where PROPER GRAMMAR, etc means very little.

most people online are ignoring the rules of grammar not because they DONT KNOW them, but because it's a CHOICE that allows for a more natural, realistic and MODERN conversation

anyone who is a dick about grammar needs to get with the times.

 

[Stardust]

I used to use that banner back when I was... 15?

Honestly, it doesn't matter how correct you are as long as you're understandable. i'll occasionally switch my writing style just to fuck with people, but overall it really doesn't matter. we start to identify people by how they type, though, so it does make a difference in how we're viewed by others. Like I said, as long as your understandable I won't care, but I'm tired of people who type like they slammed their face into a keyboard.

 

[High Hopes]

My feelings on this matter are similar to guardian's. I don't think it's prudent to type like you're trying to ace 12th grade English, but you shouldn't type like you failed 1st grade English. I too switch up my posting styles to illustrate a point or for humor(e.g. oh u no bruh just doin my thang lol). As you've seen, this is in stark contrast to my normal posting style.

 

[Ellie]

For one thing, unique accents come across better if everybody types differently. Someone who uses full grammar you'd expect to speak Queen's English, for example. sum1 who bascly types liak this youd xpect to hav a more simple axent (if u unstand wat i mean here).

 

[dadevvtsvre]

i'm sure the general consensus is that nobody likes terrible chatspeak in forums

but it's the few teenagers who just leanred the internet, the whatchamacallit "grammar nazis" that think every sentence should have perfect structure

there's so much you can tell about a person from their handwriting. we can't use handwriting on a forum but we substitute it instead for text and the way we use it

if we type with impeccable grammar, imo all sense of individuality is lost. i mean, sure, the words you pick are important and play a big role. but you can't quite get the same sense of FEELING and EXPRESSION

like mawk said i think writing IS an art, but it's far from the words we pick for our sentences. the way you MANIPULATE the text has a big impact on the message and gives the text FEELING

maybe i'm being overly preachy or something but as the message you're trying to convey is LEGIBLE then you can experiment with some pretty coolbeans-worthy stuff

i honestly don't know what i was trying to get at here :| but i find the use of font and words in general as an actual art medium incredibly interesting. i find art that incorporates visual elements and words to be just so GREAT

also, what noise said. which i more or less reiterated in my fabulously orignal style

i never thought i'd be this passionate about words before

 

[candle]

Shouldn't the title say "Improper Grammar", instead of "Bad Grammar"? What I'm trying to point out is that no one is perfect, and that when you're pointing out grammatical errors, you have to make sure that you make none of your own. If you make some mistakes of your own, it just means that you're a hypocrite.

Actually, "Bad" Grammar is correct. The word "Improper" in this context is merely a more formal way to say the same thing. Another way to say it would also be "Poor" Grammar.

 

[Glitchfinder]

Shouldn't the title say "Improper Grammar", instead of "Bad Grammar"? What I'm trying to point out is that no one is perfect, and that when you're pointing out grammatical errors, you have to make sure that you make none of your own. If you make some mistakes of your own, it just means that you're a hypocrite.

Actually, "Bad" Grammar is correct. The word "Improper" in this context is merely a more formal way to say the same thing. Another way to say it would also be "Poor" Grammar.

Hmm. I just seem to remember there being a lot of commonly broken rules regarding the word "bad", and the fact that "poor", "improper", and various other words were actually more correct in many of the contexts that people used the word "bad" in. Let's ask Venetia or someone with an English major.

 

[Ellie]

Bad's a perfectly acceptable term, I don't see why it wouldn't be o.O

Arguing for the sake of arguing if you ask me.

 

[united washcloth express]

It really is acceptable. Both terms mean the same thing in this context. Neither is really more proper than the other. It just comes down to personal preference. If you haven't figured it out already, most of the rules surrounding the English language are bullshit anyways. For one, contractions are considered improper and uses of commas to show possession is being phased out.

Really, these rules are just constructed by Nazis of the language to make things over complicated. Use proper grammar when it is actually required. Otherwise, just type legibly.

 

[Ellie]

Possessional apostrophes are no longer used in road/street signs here already. Things such as Farmer's Croft or Cecil's Street, are now Farmers and Cecils.

 

[Venetia]

Hmm. I just seem to remember there being a lot of commonly broken rules regarding the word "bad", and the fact that "poor", "improper", and various other words were actually more correct in many of the contexts that people used the word "bad" in. Let's ask Venetia or someone with an English major.

i dont have an english major
im just a :specs:

bad is an acceptable adjective in any situation which describes ...........
- something that isn't good (and all of its misc. variants)
- something that is poor, poorly-derived, poorly-made, or shoddy in quality
- something that is wicked/evil
- something which has expired and/or is foul
- something which is wrong, false, incorrect
- ......... uh shit like atleast 50 other variations

saying that someone has "bad grammar" is an acceptable way of saying that they have inadequate or incorrect grammar. its typically not used on a professional level as "bad" is regarded as an overly-simplistic term--simplistic in that it is, in fact, NOT simplistic, carrying tons and tons of various possible definitions. teachers and the like will typically ask that people use more specific adverbs and adjectives to describe nouns which can not be construed as anything else.

but since no one is writing a dissertation on grammar here and everyone can easily assume the meaning of the phrase, "bad grammar" is perfectly acceptable and the debate on the subject is moot~