The Flying Spaghetti Monster

[sixtyandaquarter]

I gotta go with the 747's.
The spaghetti monster at least doesn't try to pass itself off realistically as a full on religion.

 

[silver wind]

No religion ever started a war.  No religion has ever killed anyone.
*cough*
"shahid" ("holy" suicide bombers)? "inquisiotion"? converting marches??
religion isn't an opinion. it commands its believers to do things.

anyway, I would like to try saving the lost respect of "6 day creation".
when the bible says, in the first day- "day one". there are still no sun or moon.
it cannot be our 24-hour day. it may be 1000 years. bible quote: "cause a thousand years in your eyes are like one passing day"
there was plenty of time to create a world, create and extinct dinosaurs and have ape-man. then, on 6th day, humans were created.
there a book called '6 days' that settles all the issues between science and the bible, in this subject. religion, a real religion, doesn't have to fear science.
The bible mentions two animals that have torn hoof AND  raise cud(digest their food several times): pig and hare. the bible says they're the only animals in the whole world to do that. more than milenium later, no scientist found an other animal like that. they never will. if someone creates the world, he should know what exists in it, and what don't.

btw, as far as I know humans created spaghetti. they needed wheat and water for it. the wheat and the people lived somewhere, so there was land before too. there was sun & air, or the wheat won't grow.
so.. what did the spaghetti create beside bolonese, maybe?
if religions were that easy to contradict, everyone would be atheist..

 

[___]

A few fun facts about the biblical account of creation:
First, the word that gets translated to "day" in most Bibles is a very generic word meaning "period of time" in Hebrew, it could have just as easily meant Aeon, Epoch, or Period as Day, Hour, or Second.  Caveat:  The scripture does read "And there was evening and there was morning, a second day [period of time]" (Gen 1:8, Amplified Bible) and so on, implying that the writer intended the word to mean "day".  However most bible scholars believe the book of Genesis was recorded by Moses from oral traditions some millennia after the events took place (according to Moses' account).
Second, out of all the known creation myths in the world the Bible gets it closest in terms of order of events to what the fossil and astrological record suggests is true by a long shot.  Chalk that up to coincidence or actual knowledge as you like.  The Bible refers a couple times to "the Book of Jasher" (don't bother with any modern versions, they're all hoaxes) an apparently lost text from a much earlier period which Hebrew tradition claims was authored by Noah after the flood event as an account of the civilization who's destruction he narrowly escaped, and another tradition suggests that Moses adapted his creation story from that text.  So maybe there was a relatively advanced civilization with a decent amount of knowledge about astrological and fossil data before ours?
Sorry if that's a little off-topic but it seemed like a good place to bring it up and it's intriguing in any case.

 

[Olivia]

@ Silver Wind:

The word is "Jihad" and it's something meaning Justice in the name of God, not go blow up a random city because you hate them.

People who used that excuse were nutters and had done many things that were against their religion, eg: terrorism, threats.
I thought in Islam if you committed suicide or killed an innocent person you went straight to hell or something.

But, on the topic, I think certain atheists should leave religion alone until one pops up and says "Kill every single person you see, muhahahaha!"

It is the usual state of Atheism that most of fake religions popped up, if they had a religion, why try making one?

 

[Hevendor]

Which one do you think has a bigger probability of existing/having existed - a magical, invisible sky daddy who makes people for fun and giggles or a flying monster? They both seem rather silly to me.

The big bang may be a "stab in the dark" by "highly qualified people", but there's actually reasons why they're highly qualified. You can study that kind of stuff and get evidence. How shall you prove the existence of your god?

 

[Alpharoth]

How shall you prove the existence of your god?

That's religion my friend. You can't and guess what? Atheist will just keep using that line over and over again.

One reason I rather be a Christian then an atheist, I rather die believing there is a god when theres none rather than dying believing there is no god when there is.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

No religion ever started a war.  No religion has ever killed anyone.
*cough*
"shahid" ("holy" suicide bombers)? "inquisiotion"? converting marches??
religion isn't an opinion. it commands its believers to do things.

It doesn't do shit.
Politics does the same thing.  Fuck, the Crusades over Jerusalem were more about TRADE ROUTES than Jesus.  They were more about getting control over the silk, and other trading opportunities that the Europeans didn't have.

It was more about the money.  Why?  Because they wanted it.  What do they do?  "THEY HAVE SILK!!! GET THEM!!!" No.  Won't work.  Oh wait, let's call our friend the Bishop - whose amazingly wealthy and greedy, have him call the Pope who commands an army, and let's go in there and wipe it out, we'll say it's because they killed Jesus and it's God's war.  Good idea.

Silk not sin.

Suicide bombers?  The same can be said for the IRA at one time - which is also a religious thing.  But then again the same can go back to the wars between the French and the Spanish and the English and all them ships fighting in the souther Americas when they would have someone swim on shore and blow up the powder kegs, thus killing themselves.
That was for money too.

See where I'm going with this?
Because I can blow someone up and have no faith, hell I could be doing it to get food for the homeless.  I could be doing it over the wall for illegal immigrants some morons want to build.  Hell I could do it in protest that the Burger King commercials where they take the Whopper off the menu annoys the hell out of me, and I demand they never air it again.

Political and personal reasons are the have-all-end-all start to a war.

 

[Actingman00]

TWO WORDS (ON CRACK)

Thank you for bringing so much to the discussion.

 

[Samboy]

Thank you for bringing so much to the discussion.

Agreed. His intellect is overpowering.

 

[Cruelty]

A flying spaghetti monster is just as plausible as a guy who can make a planet in six days, to be honest. That's not me being atheist, just think about it logically.

I don't like religion. Not because of the religious part. But with every religion comes oppression. And that's what I can't stand.

You're entitled to your beliefs, so long as you let me and everyone else have ours too.

Edit: Ok, that's just weird, same wording as the post above me and yet I hadn't read it before I posted  :huh:

no its not. god isn't just some guy. god is a celestial being/force. so the thought that there is intelligent design, and something beyond what we can understand to drive said intelligent design is logically equivalent to a flying monster made out of pasta? No. think about that logically. we know for a fact that spaghetti isn't a living being, and damn sure can't fly. We dont know for a fact that there is no such thing as a higher power.

(btw please elaborate on how every single religion ever established is oppressive to its followers. i bet you can't, because theyre not)

being an atheist, and completely dismissing the idea of some kind of 'god' (or whatever you may call it/him/her) is just as ignorant as blindly believing in the same god, seeing as it can't be proven/disproven. i think its kind of stupid that the whole atheist philosophy is based on 'facts' when their main 'thing' (opposing the concept of a god/s) simply cant be proven. So maybe you can disprove christianity or whatever. that doesn't mean anything. christian god =/= god.

 

[Samboy]

The only thing is that God, or other religious beings cannot be proved. This is the irony of a flying spaghetti monster: you can't say that it can't be true. Because neither can any gods.

 

[Alpharoth]

I've got a question

If there is a flying spaghetti monster, can we eat it?

 

[Cruelty]

The only thing is that God, or other religious beings cannot be proved. This is the irony of a flying spaghetti monster: you can't say that it can't be true. Because neither can any gods.

sure, if you want to be an 'as-a-matte-of-fact' smartass and totally disregard what you know to be untrue as opposed to what you honestly don't know to be untrue.

 

[Samboy]

Well, how do we know? I mean, you could always say that the Italians were told to make pasta from the flying spaghetti monster through means of its minions communicating with beings on earth (eg. angels). I'm not trying to cop out your religion, man. It's just that it's perfectly plausible both ways.

eg. - God is all seeing, all knowing etc. (much like my mother)
    - The FSM is made out of, well spaghetti.

Which one's more believable? Neither. They're both impossible.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

That would be great if pasta/noodles was invented by Italians as opposed to made primarily by Italians.  Oh, that was pointless...

samboy, neither is actually impossible.  Neither can be proven or disproved, however one is more likely than the other.  The rules of probability roll favorably to that which is not man made, and can not be man made, being all powerful as opposed to one that is man made, and can be man made.

 

[Samboy]

If you want to be technical, humans are man-made. Or man and woman made... jks.

Having super-human powers is about as probable as being made out of spaghetti, i believe.

 

[Cruelty]

If you want to be technical

no i dont, actually.
dictionary.com on 'man made'
"produced artificially; not resulting from natural processes."

birth isn't an artificial process, bro. unless you're a clone or somethin @__@

I can't believe i need to even express why a flying monster made out of spaghetti is an impossible phenomenon. i swear to god this is a debate that can only happen on the internet.

 

[___]

According to super-string theory the whole universe is made of pasta, I don't know what you guys are even thinking.  Duh.

 

[kaidus]

Actually the use of the flying spaghetti monster to combat the concept of blind faith was first put forward by Descartes. Nice theft there, Bobby.

 

[e]

I thought Descartes' only conceptual monster was some kind of weird evil Genie who's only purpose would be to make Descartes wrong (or have false reasonings anyhow). I closed the book at the point, having lost all interest in man who's life obsession is Genies.