Police Say Dozen People Watched Calif. Gang Rape

[Guest]

;D

 

[Glitchfinder]

yea i'd call the police, but i wouldn't jump in there to help. too many people try to be the hero and end up getting themselves killed imo. also this is in america, they're probably stood there trying to remember the number to call the police.

You mean 911? Not that tough.

 

[Guest]

;D

 

[Love]

yea i'd call the police, but i wouldn't jump in there to help. too many people try to be the hero and end up getting themselves killed imo. also this is in america, they're probably stood there trying to remember the number to call the police.

lol I laughed. Yeah, maybe jumping in would be pretty dangerous but calling the police would be easy, I think.

I was a victim of a similar thing (not rape though) but no one saw. If someone saw and didn't do anything, I swear I would have run after them. ._.

 

[Glitchfinder]

oh man learn to take a joke dude, seriously.

The funny thing is trying to remember the fucking anonymous tip line. That's a pain in the ass, and it changes depending on the department.

 

[Venetia]

well i think the 9/11 thing was more that people believed if they behaved everyone would be safe. no one expected kamikazes...

they weren't making any demands, they weren't making any escape provisions, and the plane was doubtlessly flying very erratically. surely someone must have figured it out or assumed the worst among the ~90 people onboard. though i suppose nowadays, with hindsight, more people would figure it out.

yea i'd call the police, but i wouldn't jump in there to help. too many people try to be the hero and end up getting themselves killed imo. also this is in america, they're probably stood there trying to remember the number to call the police.

yeah i guess you have to be careful about the situation. that situation was probably too dangerous so calling would be all you could do. but doing absolutely nothing at all is just bullshit.

 

[mawk]

It's psychology 101. The more people surrounding a crime in progress, the less likely it is that anyone will intervene. It's called the bystander effect. A classic example of this is a murder that happened in a crowded courtyard where not only did nobody help, but the murderer went away and came before finishing the job. (It's the case of Kitty Genovese, which was mentioned earlier)

there an echo in here?

 

[Glitchfinder]

It's psychology 101. The more people surrounding a crime in progress, the less likely it is that anyone will intervene. It's called the bystander effect. A classic example of this is a murder that happened in a crowded courtyard where not only did nobody help, but the murderer went away and came before finishing the job. (It's the case of Kitty Genovese, which was mentioned earlier)

there an echo in here?

Yes, since love asked the question after you mentioned the answer.

 

[Toams]

911
9/11

anyone?

 

[Glitchfinder]

911
9/11

anyone?

It's been noted. Many times.

 

[Guest]

;D

 

[Incognitus]

Wouldn't it be tragic if the people working for the emergency services suffered from the Bystander Effect?

*daydreams*

:smoke:

 

[RATED-RKOFRANKLIN]

hey that sucks but that's the only way some people will ever get laid
*points at RATED-RKOFRANKLIN*

You are not funny. Rape is no laughing matter. I rather die a virgin then rape a woman. :box:

 

[So fist]

Sorry i don't buy innocent bystander effect on this one. That implies the other folks are disinterested unassociated third parties. First of all the crime took place over the course of 2 1/2 hours. A murder takes maybe five or six minutes in most circumstances, and there is the factor of personal risk. In a hijacking situation you have personal risk involved once again. You are in both situations a captive audience. In this case the assailants were likely absorbed by their act and not involved in any crowd control. Third this was a party on the edge of the high school campus (a bunch of gangstas drinking their brain cells away and waiting to get revenge for some retarded slight of some kind), the others watching were likely known associates that are part of the no snitching circle. Instead of calling police some of these jackasses took cell phone vids and pics and texted them to friends for lols. Had you been a concerned individual what risk would there have been to walk off and call 911. None.

Fact is they were covering for their buddies involved, and this girl in their minds was a no good skank ho who deserved this. They won't admit it. They'll hide behind the bystander effect and any other rationalization you will give them for shielding their friends so that maybe two or three of them will get acquittals due to reasonable doubt. Its the sad truth of the pervasiveness of gang culture in the US. That these kids will let the beasts among them devour them like the predators they are just so they could be hardcore by extension of association with the real beasts.

 

[So fist]

The [school] spokesman later told KGO, "The dance itself was a success in terms of safety. Nothing happened at the event. We're currently exploring our protocols to make sure that we can expand them, and make sure that this isolated incident doesn't get repeated again."

Other than the two and a half hour gang rape that occurred right next to the campus the dance was completely safe. Here's a spokesman who should have shut up several sentences ago.

 

[mawk]

waving off a rape as an "isolated incident" seems slimy to me

of course a rape is an isolated incident! it's not the sort of thing that happens chronically! one rape is far more than the acceptable number of rapes, thank you, and you cannot downplay the issue simply because there were not more!

although that said I'm not entirely sure what measures they could take to prevent this. better security at dances?

 

[So fist]

How about no walking home and no coming and going (if you are in you are in). You leave you get in a car with your parent or a student that holds a parking pass for the evening no exceptions. It is not news to anyone in the community that the school neighborhood is unsafe at night. And the fact that SRO's would just let a bunch of kids party on a corner of the campus without once chasing them off the entire evening of the dance is straight up incompetence. You can't make a few rounds around the campus during the god damn dance? Getting these jokers completely off the premises in the first place would at least have likely prevented the incident from happening on school grounds.

Manuel Ortega, a 19-year-old former Richmond High School student, has been charged with robbery, assault with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury, rape in concert [gang rape] and rape with violence, according to Richmond Police Lt. Mark Gagan.

The Contra Costa County District Attorney's Office is going to ask for a life sentence for Ortega, Gagan said. His bail has been set at $1,230,000

The other three suspects are juveniles, ages 15, 16 and 17, but are to be charged as adults, and the D.A.'s office will seek life sentences for the trio, Gagan said.

California law won't allow them to come after the buddies i mean innocent bystanders. Had the girl been fourteen or younger they could have under the child rape statute.

 

[So fist]

Mawk most failing gangland schools have administrators with that kind of mentality. Do the minimum to cover your butt and survive the last three years of your education career. The primary motivation of these sort of principals is to max out their pensions.

 

[So fist]

But I'll bet at the end of this the school will be sued for criminal neglect and incompetence in securing their property and the district will pay out damages and fire the administrators.

 

[So fist]

Looking at other stories she was apparently asked by another student to go to a drinking party in the school's courtyard (our apparently once described alleyway/picnic area next to the school) as she was leaving to "get a ride from dad." If this is accurate it basically means that during the dance students were able to party on the premises with no harassment by school officials and security. That's a strong case for gross negligence on the school's part and I hope the parent's lawyer up.