Old Preparation Topic 2

[Venetia]

I'm with peri on the whole skin rules thing.

Okay, fine. I've had too many people angry at me about that rule. People can wear whatever colors they want.
I am changing the rules. However, I refuse to let people wear team colors for the teams they are not on! That would only serve to confuse people.

A1.:hmaddict (i would be more comfortable with a char name of candle though, if you can set nicks)

Yeah I think I can try to set that up.

 

[Venetia]

Also, what would be an estimate worth?
ie one wooden planks block = ? Sprockets
(and if possible id like to preorder some land.. #13)

The currency is Cogs, but I'll have a price list up soonish.
I can't reserve land for you -- it's first come, first served!
But I'm trying to set the parcel prices so that they will not be too hard to buy early on (and then, if you choose to resell your parcel, you can make it whatever price you like).

 

[bacon]

hey ven I have a question. Are people going to be able to see like usernames and stuff when we are undeground? Because if I am sneaking and causing mischief it would be pretty pointless if someone could see me username inside a mountain or underground or whatever~

 

[Glitchfinder]

I think I'd be fine as a team leader. On the server I go to now, I'm currently the next step down from being an administrator (They have players, donators, moderators, super moderators, and administrators, of which I am a super moderator). I'm also there on a daily basis, and I'm responsible for a good number of the better things that have been built on the server. (I built the initial spawn house, before the admins decided to hire out a team to build a giant-ass floating island with a cathedral on top) I'm also the go-to guy on the server for redstone mechanics, being responsible for all manner of automatic/locking doors, secret doors, and other things, including a lighthouse with a spinning light, courtesy of a circle of pistons that typically block out an inner circle of glowstone. As for getting along with people, I get along with most of the players on the server quite well, although I tend to be a hardass when it comes to the unusually stupid players that tend to annoy everybody on the server, from staff members to regular players.

 

[Venetia]

hey ven I have a question. Are people going to be able to see like usernames and stuff when we are undeground? Because if I am sneaking and causing mischief it would be pretty pointless if someone could see me username inside a mountain or underground or whatever~

I am trying to figure out how to affect username visibility. Apparently, when you sneak, the username visibility radius is much smaller.
I found a mod that makes it so that you can potentially "perma-sneak", and the username is invisible, but I don't want that, especially since I removed the restrictions on people wearing team colors.

I don't know how to affect the visibility radius for names. If someone can find a Bukkit plugin that affects this, and doesn't make the characters appear to permanently sneak, please tell me. I realize that this is an important thing, but I have my hands tied until I find out how to implement a mod on it.

I think I'd be fine as a team leader.

I think you'd be a pretty good pick for it, for your team.

I think that, after the server starts, I'll run a little vote on captain elections. Unless I don't get many nominees, in which case, I'll just pick 'em.

But I will really need a Vizier, so if anyone is planning on being a Grey Dissenter, please apply to be a vizier.

I mostly just need one to make sure that people aren't being shitty to each other while I'm not looking. And you get some pretty nice benefits so I don't know why you wouldn't want the title, unless you just really aren't planning on playing very often, or unless you're shitty at building or w/e.

 

[Venetia]

updated main post.

 

[Perihelion]

Well, I can be a vizier if you want me to. I'm planning on being active. I'd prefer to act like a regular member except for when I need to stop people from being dicks, though. Like I would expect people to attack me if I'm in the PvP area, want to be able to mess with other players, etc. If I'm not using my mod powers to benefit myself in any way, I don't see why I shouldn't be able to raid bases or harvest PvP continent resources if I wanted to. But if you'd prefer someone more aloof, that's also fine! It really doesn't matter to me.

 

[Venetia]

Like I would expect people to attack me if I'm in the PvP area

VIZIERS are NOT allowed to:
[...]
- Be immune to damage from PvP teams while on the PvP continent

Viziers can still take damage from PvP'ers, the same way any Grey Dissenter would.

Pharaohs can't be damaged by anyone, b/c I (and any future Pharaoh(s)) will be running around with stacks and stacks of stuff with the intent of building up the citadel, balancing out teams, dropping loot, accepting Cogs for parcel buying/transferal of properties/funds, etc., and I don't want the massive amount of stuff I'll need for that to be taken from the world, nor do I want to tempt people to always be gunning for me b/c I drop shittons of stuff off my corpse :P.

Because they have the power to send people to jail, Viziers aren't allowed to raid peoples' bases for resources. I don't mind if they try to mine/explore the PvP continent, but they shouldn't go overboard ... The resources on the PvP continent are more plentiful, with the intent that it will make things more interesting/lucrative for the teams that can potentially lose it all, or who will be using it to sell & barter with. If a PvE'er goes and snatches up tons of valuable resources on the PvP continent, then takes it with them out into the PvE wilderness, that is unbalancing the economy by entirely subracting all that potential money from the people competing for it. PvE'ers will have a much easier time making money if they want it, as they will not lose it as much in PvP battles.

So like yes, you could still go and mine wherever you wanted as a Vizier, and still have fun/do as you like, but if, say, people attacked you for mining in the PvP wilds, or near a base or something, and you sent them all to jail for it, I would have to strip you of your title for that. Of course, you're Peri, so I don't think I'd have to worry about that anyway, haha. I'm just stating it for the record

 

[Perihelion]

Well, Ven, I basically want to just be a normal player. If you want someone to act super officially and do modly things and help out with secret construction projects, you should probably pick someone else. (Although I might be up for secret construction projects sometime down the line.) If you want to give me the ability to jail griefers to cover for you when you're not online, that's fine with me, but honestly I don't even want the ability to /give myself stuff since it makes manually mining for things feel lamer even if I don't use my powers. You don't have to give me a free lot either, although I wouldn't turn it down.

Of course it goes without saying that I would never abuse my powers or jail people for attacking me or whatever. So since griefing is the only reason I would ever jail people, I don't see why it really matters if I attack PvP bases or whatever, not that I was planning on doing a lot of that anyway. But again, totally up to you, and if you're not comfortable with me maybe doing something like that (although it's unlikely), then don't make me a mod.

If you're discouraging mining in the PvP continent and then taking it to the PvE area, I'll refrain from doing that. That said, if minerals and whatnot are in higher density in the PvP continent, there's going to be way more than enough for anyone who wants it since the continent is so big. If you manually placed stuff, that's different.

 

[Venetia]

@Peri's post:
Only Pharaohs have the /give command available to them.
Viziers are allowed to alter municipal blocks within Sprocket (things that only Viziers/Pharaohs can do), but only to add to/beautify the structures, not pilfer materials.
(This is mostly due to the way I am setting up permissions, and the only way you get a "master key" to all locked doors in the city is if you have permissions to alter blocks in the city.)
I'm not really looking for any real help in giant building projects in the city anyway; most of the time I spend on the server will be devoted to it, so I don't want to run out of things to do there :P

I would prefer if Viziers didn't attack PvP bases b/c they are high noble officials of the city and shouldn't debase their high standing so much! Also, pilfering things from bases could make you look like you're doing power abuse and etc.

Also they should def have a plot of their own in the city, to keep up appearances!

If you're discouraging mining in the PvP continent and then taking it to the PvE area, I'll refrain from doing that. That said, if minerals and whatnot are in higher density in the PvP continent, there's going to be way more than enough for anyone who wants it since the continent is so big. If you manually placed stuff, that's different.

Yeah, a good number of resources were manually plonked. I guess I can potentially put in more if certain resources are exhausted, so I suppose I don't care that much. I'm just trying to be mindful of not totally borking the economy.

 

[Glitchfinder]

How many cogs do people start with, as a normal player? How about if they're a team captain? How about a Vizier?

 

[Perihelion]

Okay, that sounds fine. I'd be happy to help out by being a vizier in that case, but if you want to pick someone else, that's also fine. I mean, I wasn't really planning on raiding bases for loot anyway. I was considering the occasional mischievous prank, but any pranks I pull won't be to benefit me.

 

[Venetia]

How many cogs do people start with, as a normal player? How about if they're a team captain? How about a Vizier?

I wasn't planning on allowing people to have starter Cogs. You can potentially sell anything that you can have in your inventory other than the most absolutely plentiful/easy-to-get things (e.g., dirt, sand, cobblestone, wood planks), so it shouldn't be hard to set to making money right away, if that is your aim. An easy method of making money in the very beginning will be in crafting basic wooden tools and selling those, or in selling whatever crap falls off of animals. There are lots of free-to-use crafting tables, furnaces, etc., scattered around the city.

Viziers and Captains start with their lot parcel discounts, and after buying a land parcel, they get some basic building materials for them for free. Other than that, they don't get any extra handouts. Again, there's a small cache of starter stuff already available in the forts. I may toss a set of leather armor in one of the Vizier's chests in their private palace room as a bonus for being a Vizier.

I should mention that there ARE some basic starter materials in the barracks of either fort, so people on the White/Purple teams are only a jaunt to the base away from outfitting themselves. (Plus, people in the forts should share materials to help new members or people who just died/lost all their crap).

I should also mention that a really shitty player would go and raid those caches, sell all the crap, and then hoarde the money.
Know that if I hear about you doing that, expect severe punishments. I'll post inventory lists of starter materials soon.
You're hurting your whole team by selling your team's communal stuff for personal gains!

Lastly, Grey Dissenters won't need money to get started. They just hop in a free boat, sail somewhere, hop out, punch some trees, and get started as they would normally.

 

[bacon]

I am trying to figure out how to affect username visibility. Apparently, when you sneak, the username visibility radius is much smaller.
I found a mod that makes it so that you can potentially "perma-sneak", and the username is invisible, but I don't want that, especially since I removed the restrictions on people wearing team colors.

I don't know how to affect the visibility radius for names. If someone can find a Bukkit plugin that affects this, and doesn't make the characters appear to permanently sneak, please tell me. I realize that this is an important thing, but I have my hands tied until I find out how to implement a mod on it.

can you do it where it only shows usernames of people on your team?
that way you will know if someone isnt on your team because they dont have a hovering name above them.

 

[Dr. Funk]

also I'd very much like to put my name forward for Purple Pigmen Team Captain! I'm a pretty good builder, I can play just about everyday, I'm very friendly, and I'm pretty good at redstone wiring. Also I love purple kool-aid

 

[aphadeon]

That pharaoh is sexy.
Also, will you be using spout to provide better customization for spoutcraft users? (Would let you set sky/fog color, keep the texpack serverside, etc)

 

[aphadeon]

I should also mention that a really shitty player would go and raid those caches, sell all the crap, and then hoarde the money.
Know that if I hear about you doing that, expect severe punishments. I'll post inventory lists of starter materials soon.
You're hurting your whole team by selling your team's communal stuff for personal gains!

But I do hope we can go raid the enemy cache and hoarde the money? :D

edit:
double post. #facepalm
edit 2:
i'll be buying lot twelve. dissenters, back off. :p
edit 3:
you misspelled Obsidian under Municiple Structures
edit 4:
will there be faction-only chat? I'd hate to be all like "k guys im under their capital building" and the enemy faction is like "OH CRAP. DOGPILE!!!"
edit 5:
i edit too much.
edit 6:
i too vote Glitchfinder for WW leader.

 

[LiquidMetal91]

I vote Dr. Funk for PP leader

 

[Glitchfinder]

Ven, will the free lot given to team captains have the price determined by the discount price, or the normal one? If it's by the discount price, then I only see one lot not available to a team leader automatically, since everything else is under 400 cogs.

 

[Venetia]

Okay, I think I've added everyone to the list. Please tell me if I missed someone!

Lemme see to these Q's.

I am trying to figure out how to affect username visibility. Apparently, when you sneak, the username visibility radius is much smaller.
I found a mod that makes it so that you can potentially "perma-sneak", and the username is invisible, but I don't want that, especially since I removed the restrictions on people wearing team colors.

I don't know how to affect the visibility radius for names. If someone can find a Bukkit plugin that affects this, and doesn't make the characters appear to permanently sneak, please tell me. I realize that this is an important thing, but I have my hands tied until I find out how to implement a mod on it.

can you do it where it only shows usernames of people on your team?
that way you will know if someone isnt on your team because they dont have a hovering name above them.

I can make it so that it shows your team's name over the name, and to change the colors of the names. That's ... All I can figure out :x
If I DO figure something out, I'll let you know bebe

One question, how does one earn currency in the world? Employment?

Selling things & winning contests. Also flipping real estate. And stealing off of fellow PvP'ers ...

I'm trying to make it so that a small portion of cash falls off of you when you kick the bucket (but not all). (And yes I am making it so that XP does NOT fall off of you on death).

If I can figure out other money-making schemes, I'll keep ya'll posted :]

also I'd very much like to put my name forward for Purple Pigmen Team Captain! I'm a pretty good builder, I can play just about everyday, I'm very friendly, and I'm pretty good at redstone wiring. Also I love purple kool-aid

You'd be a great candidate for it, IMO. If no one has any probs with it, I may go with you for the Purple Team & Glitch for the White team.

Also, will you be using spout to provide better customization for spoutcraft users? (Would let you set sky/fog color, keep the texpack serverside, etc)

YESSS SPOUT YESSS

Server-side Spout is definite, and Client-Side Spout will be nearly required. I'll provide all information on how to implement it for people who are unfamiliar with it.
Spout is amazing.

But I do hope we can go raid the enemy cache and hoarde the money? :D

Not in the very beginning god damn it!!
Let people get to their damn base before you raid them, people!
Fairness & competition is more fun than instant domination :[

you misspelled Obsidian under Municiple Structures

@_@

will there be faction-only chat? I'd hate to be all like "k guys im under their capital building" and the enemy faction is like "OH CRAP. DOGPILE!!!"

Yes. There will be a command that allows you to send out messages that only other teammates can read.
But Pharaohs get all of it ~
(Except /tells.)

Ven, will the free lot given to team captains have the price determined by the discount price, or the normal one? If it's by the discount price, then I only see one lot not available to a team leader automatically, since everything else is under 400 cogs.

Captains get 200Cogs off of the price for a parcel of land that is for sale, at the sales price being asked at the time.
If you wanted one within the 1st 48 hours then yes you could get a 400Cog one for free.
My goal is to not make the barren land parcels expensive, so they CAN be bought easily, so the city becomes a city
Then when people want to sell their houses, they can sell for pretty much whatever price they want to sell it at.
Though I'll also tell them what I'd estimate the ACTUAL value to be.