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Nintendo fucks Europeans up the ass for the umpteenth time.

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Maus

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Chimmy Ray":qtblbewm said:
It's a consumer's responsibility to the company and to himself to ensure that the company does not get away with producing a substandard product

I think that the responsibilities here are not fully clarified, and that there is a great misconception about them. The consumer has  no responsibility over the company's product. Your only responsibilities as a consumer are:

1) Responsibility of self-helpIt is always desirable that a consumer should not depend on the seller for information and choice as far as possible. As a consumer, you are expected to act in a responsible manner to protect yourself from being deceived. An informed consumer can always take care of his/her interest more than any one else.
2) Proof of Transactions:The second responsibility of every consumer is that the proof of purchase and documents relating to purchase of durable goods should be invariable obtained and preserved.
3) Proper claim:Another responsibility that consumers are expected to bear in mind is that while making complaints and claiming compensation for loss or injury, they should not make unreasonably large claims.
4) Proper use of Product/services: Some consumers, especially during the guarantee period, make rough use of the product, thinking that it will be replaced during the guarantee period. This is not fair on their part. They should always use the products properly.

Those, and only those, are your responsibilities as a consumer.

Your Rights as a consumer are:

1) Right to safety: Right to be protected against marketing of goods which are injurious to health and life.
2) Right to be informed:The right to be informed about the quantity, quality, purity, standard or grade and price of the goods available so that they can make proper choice before buying any product or service.
3) Right to choose:Every consumer has the right to choose the goods needed from a wide variety of similar goods.
4) Right to be heard :Consumers have a right to be heard by manufactures, dealers and advertisers about their opinion on production and marketing decisions. This does not, however, imply that the consumer's decisions have to be or will be followed by the manufacturers.
5) Right to seek redressal :If and when any consumer has a complaint or grievance due to unfair trade practices like charging higher price, selling of poor quality or unsafe products, lack of regularity in supply of services etc. or if he has suffered loss or injury due to defective or adulterated products, he has the right to seek remedies.
6) Right to consumer education : To prevent market malpractices and exploitation of consumers, consumer awareness and education are essentially required.


As you can see, neither set of rights or responsibilities includes you in the direct decision-making process that creates a product. Those who are directly responsible for the product quality is the company and its shareholders. Thus, if you are discontent with a product you can use Right 4- the right to be heard- to voice your complaints (this allows you to indirectly influence the decision-making progress, but there are no guarantees, as always). However, said right does not imply that your complaints will be followed and that your wishes will be granted, this is usually in direct proportion with how many people openly voice their concerns and discontent- if there is a large pool of people that does, the chances of the company taking notice and doing something about it increases. If not, you're in the minority and that's the way it goes- you have no more right over the company's decisions than the company does about your own private life decisions. So sometimes you may be able to create a change (for example: The fan-made project "The Silver Lining", a continuation of the King's Quest series, was served with a Cease and Desist from Sierra-Vivendi. There was enough of a fan reaction that Sierra-Vivendi decided to reconsider and instead fully sanctioned the fan project, as long as they dropped the number from their title and simply call it The Silver Lining. Another example is Richard Garriott himself sanctioning "Lazarus", a Dungeon Siege engine remake of Ultima V which became extremely successful ) and sometimes you may not (for example, the cease-and-desist that closed down a Garfield fan-made game, if I recall). I realize that I didn't phrase my original response correctly, so I will correct that now:

You can either:
-Stick with the product/company
-Look for greener digital pastures
or
-Voice your discontent, knowing that it in itself is a gamble and it may or may not be heard.

It really comes down to markets.  If a company doesn't seem to be listening to its clients, what some of the clients can do is support a competing company-- many smaller houses and services have gotten a boot-up based on user discontentment.
 

mawk

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-Voice your discontent, knowing that it in itself is a gamble and it may or may not be heard.

And that's what we do. It's a gamble, but since there's absolutely nothing to lose, one might as well raise hell.

My point all along was why should you turn your back on something when you have the potential to change it? "Stop whining and put up with it" is generally an annoying philosophy.
 

Maus

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Then I probably did not express myself as clearly as I should have. By all means, voice it. It just seems that some people tend to be louder on the honking end of the thing than on action.
 
people say europe sometimes get games early... big fucking deal... america and japan get all the GOOD games first... super smash bros for instance... one of the most anticipated games for the wii and guess what, europe still has the TBC label stuck on its site... you can have a go at us all you want but america gets stuff before europe.

and do you know why???

simple america are stupid impatient fools who released the SD TVs before europe so they run on lower Hz. Because of this there are compatability issues and so the games have to be converted to american TV and language and then guess what... nobody bothers to convert it back again for the rest of the english speaking world.

if you really wanna complain do so at your lousy decisions in the past because now you've ruined 50% of the worlds gaming experince... thanks
 
Cruelty":2l08644k said:
$t3v0":2l08644k said:
Being ignored by the Japanese isn't really something to get upset about

lolol
this is the truth

Oh you WOULD say that, being an American and all.

Would you still be saying that if America was constantly getting ignored by Nintendo instead of Europe?
 
Dann Woolf":lku8pucy said:
Oh you WOULD say that, being an American and all.

Would you still be saying that if America was constantly getting ignored by Nintendo instead of Europe?
nintendo is faggots. theyre turning all of their franchises into family-friendly bullshit. the only franchises worth paying attention to anymore is pikmin, and the straightforward rpg pokemon games.

the wii is an underpowered piece of shit machine, with a retarded control scheme. the ds isn't far behind with the touch screen, especially when all the nintendo titles pigeonhole the touch screen, which is THE most awkward way to control a video game.

i wouldn't give a flying fuck is nintendo never translated another title into english again.
 

moog

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Dann Woolf":y0c0qi4m said:
Cruelty":y0c0qi4m said:
$t3v0":y0c0qi4m said:
Being ignored by the Japanese isn't really something to get upset about

lolol
this is the truth

Oh you WOULD say that, being an American and all.

Would you still be saying that if America was constantly getting ignored by Nintendo instead of Europe?

WHO THE FUCK CARES DUDE

I mean seriously, Nintendo sucks ass these days compared to 360 and PS3 imo, and even if a great game does come out (Like a Zelda or a Mario etc) youre still gonna get it. One of my freinds lives out in Fiji and she doesnt get shit, and when she does its like $100+ for a game. At least you are able to partake in getting them at all! Just wait a few months.
 
There's still the matter of principle.

Nintendo chooses to continue holding events at Toys R Us stores even though there's now a simpler way of distributing items-- Wi-Fi Mystery Gift. They could give out event items to players worldwide and everyone would be happy, but for some reason they don't. What I want to know is, what IS that reason?

Why would they spend time and effort developing a new and more efficient method of doing events, and then just stick to the old, heavily flawed method?
 

moog

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Dann Woolf":3hxvpl4k said:
There's still the matter of principle.

Nintendo chooses to continue holding events at Toys R Us stores even though there's now a simpler way of distributing items--
They are trying to popularize Toys-R-Us, which means more money for Nintendo as well, obviously.

They could give out event items to players worldwide and everyone would be happy, but for some reason they don't. What I want to know is, what IS that reason?

Why dont you try to email a rep and find out @.@

Why would they spend time and effort developing a new and more efficient method of doing events, and then just stick to the old, heavily flawed method?

Because it makes more money?

Im still having a hard time wondering why you are so pissed. If you care so much just wait for it to get there and buy the damn thing (if its available)

At the same time, ITS POKEMON. Unless youre like Despain (HUGE pokemon fan) I dont think this is a great big deal!
 
Moogle Sprite":294coutm said:
Dann Woolf":294coutm said:
There's still the matter of principle.

Nintendo chooses to continue holding events at Toys R Us stores even though there's now a simpler way of distributing items--
They are trying to popularize Toys-R-Us, which means more money for Nintendo as well, obviously.

They could give out event items to players worldwide and everyone would be happy, but for some reason they don't. What I want to know is, what IS that reason?

Why dont you try to email a rep and find out @.@

Why would they spend time and effort developing a new and more efficient method of doing events, and then just stick to the old, heavily flawed method?

Because it makes more money?

Im still having a hard time wondering why you are so pissed. If you care so much just wait for it to get there and buy the damn thing (if its available)

At the same time, ITS POKEMON. Unless youre like Despain (HUGE pokemon fan) I dont think this is a great big deal!

If Nintendo is sooooo content with their current method of doing events, why did they even bother making a new method? What, is it just an elaborate trolling attempt? They waste a load of time and money making Wi-Fi Mystery Shit, then completely ignore it.

Blows my fucking mind.
 
Cruelty":2m6vslpz said:
Dann Woolf":2m6vslpz said:
Oh you WOULD say that, being an American and all.

Would you still be saying that if America was constantly getting ignored by Nintendo instead of Europe?
nintendo is faggots. theyre turning all of their franchises into family-friendly bullshit. the only franchises worth paying attention to anymore is pikmin, and the straightforward rpg pokemon games.

the wii is an underpowered piece of shit machine, with a retarded control scheme. the ds isn't far behind with the touch screen, especially when all the nintendo titles pigeonhole the touch screen, which is THE most awkward way to control a video game.

i wouldn't give a flying fuck is nintendo never translated another title into english again.

The Mother series says hi. And while I agree that Pikmin is a great series (We need a Pikmin 3 damnit), I think that it's kind of unfair to say that ALL Nintendo games are for kids. Look at Metroid, look at No More Heroes. Hell, look at Resident Evil:Umbrella Chronicles. Hell, even Fire Emblem(Which, to my knowledge, actually has a gay character. Don't remember which one had it though, but here's a hint:It's Ike). Also, as I said before, Mother 3 says hi! Anyways, if you think all of these games are kiddy, I believe you're sorely mistaken.
 
Yeyinde":1efx6mas said:
Cruelty":1efx6mas said:
the wii is an underpowered piece of shit machine
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/artic ... 5_640w.jpg[/img]
What's this? A Wii game that looks like a 360 game?
an early 360 game, maybe. :l


btw i love earthbound. mother1/eb0 was ass. i'd love to play mother 3, but nintendo won't let ANYONE have it except japan. apparently the dude that made it don't plan on making any more, either. mother is dead to me.
 
Cruelty":1k82i310 said:
Yeyinde":1k82i310 said:
Cruelty":1k82i310 said:
the wii is an underpowered piece of shit machine
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/artic ... 5_640w.jpg[/img]
What's this? A Wii game that looks like a 360 game?
an early 360 game, maybe. :l


btw i love earthbound. mother1/eb0 was ass. i'd love to play mother 3, but nintendo won't let ANYONE have it except japan. apparently the dude that made it don't plan on making any more, either. mother is dead to me.

So he doesn't plan to make a sequal? That makes Mother dead to you? And it's not really the maker's fault, it's NoA's, since Reggie flat out refuses to sell Mother 3 in America. So I agree to an extent. Also, I noticed you didn't comment on the other games I listed, care to explain?  :shock:
 
metroid got turned from an awesome sidescroller adventure to an incredibly mediocre fps with THE most linear environments ever. everything looks the same. resident evil sucks, fire emblem sucks. RE4 was the only decent one. still its not owned by nintendo anyway. fire emblem is just painfully boring, and ridiculously difficult (bad combination, too). hardly any strategy is involved when you're just up against 30 - 40 enemys, and all you can do is send in your tanks to clear out as many enemies as possible before they get to your severely underpowered magicians.

btw, yea, i read somewhere (sry no sauce) theres little hope for a mother 4. i dont really understand why they wouldn't release mother 3 internationally. it's a game with a cult following, it will sell. even if its on a dead platform like gba (yeah they still sometimes make games, but its pretty much dead).
 
Cruelty":2r9d3gcd said:
metroid got turned from an awesome sidescroller adventure to an incredibly mediocre fps with THE most linear environments ever. everything looks the same. resident evil sucks, fire emblem sucks. RE4 was the only decent one. still its not owned by nintendo anyway. fire emblem is just painfully boring, and ridiculously difficult (bad combination, too). hardly any strategy is involved when you're just up against 30 - 40 enemys, and all you can do is send in your tanks to clear out as many enemies as possible before they get to your severely underpowered magicians.

btw, yea, i read somewhere (sry no sauce) theres little hope for a mother 4. i dont really understand why they wouldn't release mother 3 internationally. it's a game with a cult following, it will sell. even if its on a dead platform like gba (yeah they still sometimes make games, but its pretty much dead).

Most of that is entirely subjective, though I agree on the Metroid thing (I was trying to name a franchise in general). And I mentioned Fire Emblem to counter-act your point about Nintendo franchises being kiddy. I loath the game myself, so it's just to prove a point.

RE was mentioned because there are good M rated games for the Wii. So in a way, I mentioned it like I mentioned Fire Emblem. Still no comment on No More Heroes btw. And Earthbound sold like shit in America, despite the best of efforts to advertise it. So I guess you can't blame Nintendo for not taking the risk.
 

moog

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Fire Emblem is a tad boring at times, but Path of Radiance wasnt too bad.

I whole heartly agree about Prime and dont give a fuck what anyone says; Metroid Prime is the WORST thing to ever happen to the Metroid series =\
 
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