Is opposition to Obama's policies routed in racism?

[LumberWarrior]

I'm so tired of being called a racist just because I don't agree with a man who put this country further in debt than any president in history. Yes some are racist, there always will be some people who are racist. I bet you some people agree with him because of his color. But most of the disagreement appears to be people not wanting a HUGE government that is trying to take over their healthcare, and spend every dime they have.

Just out of curiosity, why are you saying that Obama put the country into debt? The recession began before he was even in power. The economy is crap yeah but that's because of the prior administration not Obama. Sorry but I'm usually going to let everyone be entitled to their opinion when it comes to political matters, other things I can be an asshole over, but this is just plain wrong. Yeah the health-care bill will cost a hell of a lot, but it's probably the best thing to come to America in years. The previous administration put the US in the sorry state it's in, not the current one.

"President Barack Obama's budget would produce $9.3 trillion in deficits over the next decade, more than four times the deficits of Republican George W. Bush's presidency, congressional auditors said Friday." -http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/3137105

And instead of selective reading you should take your time and pay more attention.

IMO all politicians are the same. Obama is no different, except for the fact that he is black and he has made history, other then that I could care less, they are all the same. Only thing I was saying is that anybody is better then Bush, and the only idiots are those who can't see past that fact. If Hilary or someone else won I would be saying the same thing, but not McCain because he was like Bush's older brother. But at the end of the day all you can do is take it like a man and wait 4 years.

If every politician is the same I would guess Bush is the same as Obama... No Obama is doing a lot worse so far "and the only idiots are those who can't see past that fact."

 

[No ID]

But at the end of the day all you can do is take it like a man and wait 4 years.

 

[mawk]

surely those people need to think in less opaque terms

 

[rey meustrus]

Well, this was an interesting discussion, until we got the Republican assholes going after the Democrat assholes. Now all we have is shit EVERYWHERE.

 

[Hybrida]

Well, this was an interesting discussion, until we got the Republican assholes going after the Democrat assholes. Now all we have is shit EVERYWHERE.

ROFL. The truth.

 

[Incognitus]

But at the end of the day all you can do is take it like a man and wait 4 years.

Viva La Democracy! :sad:

 

[pandemikk]

If every politician is the same I would guess Bush is the same as Obama... No Obama is doing a lot worse so far "and the only idiots are those who can't see past that fact."

I'd really like to see some facts to back-up such a profound statement.

 

[j4kl1ng3r]

LumberWarrior: George Bush's deficit happened because he wanted to kill people in countries mostly consisting of sand.

Obama wants to give every American healthcare.

Now, I understand, on paper: "omg, obama, debt, omg." But uhh, if you factor in the money we pumped into the economy because of the economic downturn, and then add free healthcare on top of that, you are obviously going to get a hefty deficit.

I mean, what would you do, not fix any of it? Your saying spending money killing people in war is better than saving lives and rebounding the economy just because it's a lower number?

Yes, yes you are.

 

[Incognitus]

LumberWarrior: George Bush's deficit happened because he wanted to kill people in countries mostly consisting of sand.

Don't be absurd. Those people hate you for your freedoms, and that sand lies on top of a lot of oil... which, of course, has never, ever had anything to do with it.



There is a huge problem in your post: Obama is doing the same as what Bush did - with the healthcare on top of that. You're also assuming that Obama has helped the US economy.

It's attitudes like your apathy to running up massive debts and deficits and hoping Tomorrow will pay them off, that got the world into this mess. It's good to see people are learning from their mistakes.

The USA is really going for broke, huh? :down:

 

[Velocir_X]

Actually pumping money into a dieing economy does not necessarily help at all. Often overlooked, studies show that FDR's New Deal might have extended the depression by up to 7 years. It's probably the same here.

he wanted to kill people in countries mostly consisting of sand.

Actually world politics show that after desert storm, alliances were shifting against the US. Most Developed Arabic Countries began supporting Europe and going against America, as America helped Iraq during the Iraq - Iran war. The purpose of our current war was to shift these alliances back to us, and not to kill people. Bush just sucked at communicating is all.

On a final note I want to mention one proverb: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

 

[Velocir_X]

Well, this was an interesting discussion, until we got the Republican assholes going after the Democrat assholes. Now all we have is shit EVERYWHERE.

But it's alright when the democrat assholes gang up on the GOP in almost every other thread?

 

[j4kl1ng3r]

LumberWarrior: George Bush's deficit happened because he wanted to kill people in countries mostly consisting of sand.

Don't be absurd. Those people hate you for your freedoms, and that sand lies on top of a lot of oil... which, of course, has never, ever had anything to do with it.



There is a huge problem in your post: Obama is doing the same as what Bush did - with the healthcare on top of that. You're also assuming that Obama has helped the US economy.

It's attitudes like your apathy to running up massive debts and deficits and hoping Tomorrow will pay them off, that got the world into this mess. It's good to see people are learning from their mistakes.

The USA is really going for broke, huh? :down:

Doing the same thing? Tell me, what non-threatening, non-dirty-weapon-having, non-involved-with-any-terrorism-whatsoever country has Obama invaded under false pretenses to defend his father's honour? And, if that answer is none (which according to my sources is the correct answer) how can you say "Obama is doing the same thing with healthcare piled on top"?

How much do you expect him to do? I mean, don't you think it's a little early to start judging someone on their failures and triumphs if not a single thing he's done has had time to mature long enough to show a single result? With the giant beurocratic government that we have, it's amazing to see people criticize someone so much. Do you know how many pages the health care bill started out with, vs. how many it has after it's gone through the house and senate? It's appalling.

And, to be absolutely clear, Alqueda hated our way of life, and according to all of the intelligence agencies at this current juncture in time Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with Alqueda. So, no, those people did not hate my way of life.

And yes, healthcare will be pricey. And it will cost alot of money. But that's the price of doing the right thing. Lets switch all of our government building to green energy and open source technology and watch the savings roll in. It's not impossible, costs will decrease over time because less people will get sick because people will be healthier.

Look, if your worried about a "deficit" when it comes to something like healthcare, then I guess that shows you how capitalism further corrupts the minds of people. I mean, encourage people for being greedy, look what you get? Oh, you want to save people's lives? WHAT ABOUT MY PAYCHECK? HOW MUCH WILL THIS COST? It's not like your REQUIRED BY LAW to call an ambulance when someone gets hurt. And it's not like it costs money to get an ambulance. And it's not like getting hurt pushes people so far into debt that it ruins their lives or anything. lol

 

[Velocir_X]

Actually world politics show that after desert storm, alliances were shifting against the US. Most Developed Arabic Countries began supporting Europe and going against America, as America helped Iraq during the Iraq - Iran war. The purpose of our current war was to shift these alliances back to us, and not to kill people. Bush just sucked at communicating is all.

AHHHHEEEEM?


I'd also like to mention, that many soldiers I've talked to here at MacDill AFB, state that many locals in Iraq believe that you need to beat your wife regularly because she has the power of seduction....

Anything to say about that?

 

[j4kl1ng3r]

So we're invading other countries to "shift alliances"?

I still don't see how preemptive wars are a good way to spend money while helping poor people who cannot afford to see a doctor is a bad one.

 

[Velocir_X]

helping poor people who cannot afford to see a doctor is a bad one.

Except that the majority of poor people are already on state-run medicine (Medicare) and it doesn't seem to work well does it?

If you need further proof read this article: http://mises.org/story/3650

 

[pandemikk]

helping poor people who cannot afford to see a doctor is a bad one.

Except that the majority of poor people are already on state-run medicine (Medicare) and it doesn't seem to work well does it?

If you need further proof read this article: http://mises.org/story/3650

It doesn't work because the system is flawed. Even on Medicare health prices can run ridiculously high. My grandfather is a senior over 65(his plan provides a better plan for him), has health insurance, and is moderately wealthy, yet even he has had trouble with this medical system. He was a painter back in the days of asbestos and lead-based paint, and in his later life it had a detrimental effect on his health. At first, he had sharp pains in his hip and visited many doctors, they "informed" him it was bone degeneration and he needed a hip replacement. They were wrong. 6 months later the pain was back, he was on a walker again, and the "medical experts" were confunded, and ran many more tests, resulting in even higher bills even though they misdiagnosed him in the first place. He finally found a specialist who realized the problem right away. The lead from the paint had seaped into his bloodstream and attached itself to his bones, luckily, there was a treatment.

I think a change is needed. It cost him over 20,000 to remedy his hip problem, on the best health care plan available to him. Imagine if he had been poor, or with no medical insurance. He would be 6 feet under from a very painful death.

 

[Velocir_X]

Now if we all had the state-run plan that poor people have now; what do you think would happen?

 

[pandemikk]

Now if we all had the state-run plan that poor people have now; what do you think would happen?

We would have a government-ran plan?

Are you implying that universal health care would be nationwide Medicare?

 

[Velocir_X]

Are you implying that universal health care would be nationwide Medicare?

Actually in a sense it would be because in addition to their public option, the Obama administration is also suggesting that those who don't have health care have to pay a tax. If they can';t afford healthcare do you think they can afford a tax? So they get the "public option"
badda-bing-badda-boom Universal Health Care here we come....

 

[pandemikk]

Are you implying that universal health care would be nationwide Medicare?

Actually in a sense it would be because in addition to their public option, the Obama administration is also suggesting that those who don't have health care have to pay a tax. If they can';t afford healthcare do you think they can afford a tax? So they get the "public option"
badda-bing-badda-boom Universal Health Care here we come....

Well, it depends if the tax cost the same as the average health plan. I'm under the impression Obama said the taxes would be determined by one's financial stability, as in, income, people in household, etc.

Those poor people we've mentioned would meet a much smaller tax than the average healthplan, nowadays, at least according to propositions. A main controversy concerns the rich paying for the poor, which is why they don't want a change in the system. It will, most likely, cost them more than it would the average Joe. It isn't right, but it is better than out current situation.