Is opposition to Obama's policies routed in racism?

[Zackwell]

It's all well and good. I'm british, as you could proabably guess, and know fuck all about the presidency of the USA.

 

[No ID]

@Venetia
Seriously?

 

[Velocir_X]

The third reason and most important is that when people know what the public option means, the majority of people support it. (I reference Quinnipiac because their poll methods were, by and large, the most kosher.) It is just a (very) vocal minority that has brought the public-option to its knees.

but there is the fact of experience... There is a difference between what you thing something is, and what you know it is from personal experience, believe me being a 1st generation polish (soviet bloc) immigrant I know what Universal Health care means.

read this article: http://mises.org/story/3650

Anyway back on topic
personally I think its preposterous to ground opposition to him in race, because truth be told he really isn't even black. He had one immediately African parent, which visited him ONCE when he was ten, in fact Barrack's father, doesn't really count as black culturally himself, as was educated in prestigious academies in Britain, thus exposed to higher-level western thought. Furthermore Barrack was raised mostly by his white mother, white, christian, rural grandparents, and his Indonesian stepfather - I don't know how you can get farther from African culture. The only trace of African ancestry Obama has is his skin, and that's not where it counts.

:smoke: I'm sorry but I am black and I consider that comment to be very hypocritical. Are you saying Obama is not black because he's light skinned or because hes not from the hood? If Obama is not black then does that make him white? When he filled out the job application for the presidency :shades: and came across the part where he had to check the box for his race, which one do you think he picked? Other? Right. So question would you say that Colin Powell is Black or Other? How about Tiger Woods? So if I was adopted by a Caucasian women do I become Caucasian? Or Other? Truthfully if Barack Obama's real name was James Carter and his skin was lighter then Larry Bird's, what do you think everyone would say if 3 years into his term they found out he had a black Father or even Grandfather? I'm sure they would say "His Father went to Harvard so that makes him one of us," right? You comment is very ignorant but if that is your way of accepting Obama as the President then it can't be help.

Hypocritical, how? Also, I never mentioned his skin color, nor did I say that he's white cause his father went to Harvard, I just mentioned his father's british education as a side note. As for the box he'd check mixed, not other My point was that in the he doesn't entirely belong in the African American ethnic group because of how he was raised, and whom he was raised by. The definition of ethnic group is:

pertaining to or characteristic of a people, esp. a group (ethnic group) sharing a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like.

I said that Obama does not share a distinctly African culture, as he was not raised as such. Think, when you ask people who believe in a certain religion, why do they, most of them answer because that's how they're raised. Why do you think kids say the pledge of allegiance? I'm a strong polish patriot, because I was raised a such - to remember what happened to us throughout history. The same applies to Obama, who was raised by his white, christian, conservative grandparents. I'm not saying he's white because of it; but his thought process are different from those of African Americans on some fundamental level, because of how he was raised. And culture, experience, and beliefs, matter more than skin color when making decisions

 

[mawk]

@Venetia
Seriously?

:x

how could anyone read Ven's statement as anything other than obvious satire

honestly man you are too fixated on finding bigotry wherever it is.

 

[No ID]

@Venetia
Seriously?

:x

how could anyone read Ven's statement as anything other than obvious satire

honestly man you are too fixated on finding bigotry wherever it is.

You're right. Hot button topic that's all. (halfnigger is what threw me off)

But question for Velocir_X, if you taken into consideration everything you just said, do you consider Eminem white or black?

 

[j4kl1ng3r]

I don't know for certain, but to my understanding this is the first time someone has ever called the president a "liar" during one of his speeches. It is also quite fishy that this is the first time we've had a black president. It isn't, however, the first time a president has ever lied during a speech.

I'm not saying I know it's directly related, I just support the standpoint that people respect him less because he's black because they ARE racist.

 

[united washcloth express]

Or maybe it was simply because he lied and you are putting way too much thought in to it.

I find it apaulting that anyone would even consider Carter's opinion as a factual representation of Joe Wilson. It was clearly a political move and nothing more. Hell, it wasn't even done *well,* which makes it even worse that people actually believe that there's some validity to it.

People have pulled the race card way too many times with the Obama administration. Obama isn't a God. He's human. It is fine to call him a liar.

What annoys me is that Obama and Bush are both fairly simular policy wise when you look at what Obama has actually done, yet calling Obama out on an issue is seen as racism. You can wear a shirt calling Bush a war criminal. Try wearing a shirt that says Obama is a liar, You won't get very far in a lot of public places.

 

[Incognitus]

What annoys me is that Obama and Bush are both fairly similar policy wise when you look at what Obama has actually done, yet calling Obama out on an issue is seen as racism. You can wear a shirt calling Bush a war criminal. Try wearing a shirt that says Obama is a liar, You won't get very far in a lot of public places.

Yes.

And it's anger-making that the people who dogmatically supported Bush are now running down Obama on those issues which Bush supported - and the Obama supporters are turning a blind eye to Obama - especially when he's gone *further* than Bush in the wrong directions.

 

[Venetia]

@Venetia
Seriously?

i'm deathly serious.

just look at that guy

sure, his white half is running the country

but the black half is thinking about running away with your new television set

 

[Incognitus]

@Venetia
sure, his white half is running the country

but the black half is thinking about running away with your new television set

Surely some people would argue that this sums up Obama's policies perfectly.

 

[Hybrida]

We have some white American people saying it's racism too, not just the blacks. Something has gotta be wrong. America hated bush so much, they elected Obama as the "fix it" guy. No they can't deal with the fact a black guy is running the country. America why are we still trapped in the 1950's? I mean come on, he's not even full black. I'm glad Russia likes him...

 

[Incognitus]

America why are we still trapped in the 1950's?

Don't be daft Hybrida. America isn't trapped in the 1950s.


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American had a strong economy in the 1950s. :tongue:

 

[Petros]

America why are we still trapped in the 1950's?

Don't be daft Hybrida. America isn't trapped in the 1950s.


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American had a strong economy in the 1950s. :tongue:

Lol! I nearly pissed myself laughing for like ten minutes after reading that!

 

[LumberWarrior]

I'm so tired of being called a racist just because I don't agree with a man who put this country further in debt than any president in history. Yes some are racist, there always will be some people who are racist. I bet you some people agree with him because of his color. But most of the disagreement appears to be people not wanting a HUGE government that is trying to take over their healthcare, and spend every dime they have.

 

[Twirly]

I've encountered people telling other people they are racist because they don't support obama a few times.
Imo that's rarely the case, all people who told me they are against obama told me some legitemate thoughts and I accepted it.
But there are some other people who can't come up with arguments and/or can't accept that someone doesn't love him as much as they do,
that's why they say: "you are only against him because you are racist" which is complete bullshit :|
In a nutshell this is only an argument some idiots use to back up their arguments.

 

[Petros]

I'm so tired of being called a racist just because I don't agree with a man who put this country further in debt than any president in history. Yes some are racist, there always will be some people who are racist. I bet you some people agree with him because of his color. But most of the disagreement appears to be people not wanting a HUGE government that is trying to take over their healthcare, and spend every dime they have.

Just out of curiosity, why are you saying that Obama put the country into debt? The recession began before he was even in power. The economy is crap yeah but that's because of the prior administration not Obama. Sorry but I'm usually going to let everyone be entitled to their opinion when it comes to political matters, other things I can be an asshole over, but this is just plain wrong. Yeah the health-care bill will cost a hell of a lot, but it's probably the best thing to come to America in years. The previous administration put the US in the sorry state it's in, not the current one.

 

[united washcloth express]

Too bad Obama continued it. That makes him just as responsible.

 

[No ID]

Give him some time...i know yall didn't think 8 years of bush f*** up's could be fixed in less then a year? Let's be logical about this, all those that dislike Obama, your the reason why Bush got voted back another 4 years. So in part, your the reason this economy sucks. The Republicans had enough time to F this country up, now let the Democrats have a turn.

What we need to do is shot the F'er who came up with that globalization excuse, when they really just wanted to find ways to make and save more money. People can't buy shit if they don't have a job.

 

[united washcloth express]

all those that dislike Obama, your the reason why Bush got voted back another 4 years. So in part, your the reason this economy sucks

? Wh-

I don't even

..Nice wild assumption. With that, you have proven that you're in idiot.

In regards to Obama having a turn, his policies are the same as Bush's. Other than this Health Care push, there is absolutely no difference between the two. Instead of looking at what a politician says, you should really look at what they've done.

 

[No ID]

And instead of selective reading you should take your time and pay more attention.

IMO all politicians are the same. Obama is no different, except for the fact that he is black and he has made history, other then that I could care less, they are all the same. Only thing I was saying is that anybody is better then Bush, and the only idiots are those who can't see past that fact. If Hilary or someone else won I would be saying the same thing, but not McCain because he was like Bush's older brother. But at the end of the day all you can do is take it like a man and wait 4 years.