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Incest

gRaViJa":2ea9oosc said:
Fact is that a result incest means less chance of survival ( incest = more chance on deformations and we are less resistant for disseases) and therefore against our nature. Simply survival of the fittest.
Show me the facts.
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I've read about it in a book written by professor F. Hellemans. I could quote him, but the book is written in dutch, and i'm not sure i can translate it. Anyway, you can believe me on this :p The facts are clearly proved in that book, by research. For example, Children who were born because of incest have 30% more chance on deformations.
 
I don't really care at all about genetic ramifications or laws.

Doing it with your family is fucking gross.

You don't need a reason why it is.

It just is.

Who has a child, watches them grow, then goes, "Yeah, you know ... Yeah, I could hit that."

FUCK0897(^&*&^(*()*&)(iJIHIUKJKING hillbillies!!!!! BAAAAARRRFRFRFRFRFFF

End of story.
 
What about falling in love with your brother or sister? You spend your life growing up with them and know them more than you know anybody else? Unlike a parent watching a kid grow, falling in love with a sibling is a lot less creepy when you realize that growing together can lead to a very romantic relationship.
 
uuuuggggghghhghgh

granted it's LESS GROSS because they're your age, but it's STILL HORRID

I don't even have siblings (well, none I grew up with), but the simple fact that you grew up with them, fought with them, were annoyed by them, saw them at their worst, that they picked on you and tattled on you and depended on you to be a good sibling, saw them as a baby, looked up to them/had them look up to you, that they trusted you and loved you in a way that a family is supposed to love each other, not in a romantic way ... It's just creepy. But some people can't separate familial love from romantic love, I guess.

Now I guess if they'd never known each other, then met one day, then yeah, that's a lot less creepy. I think it's the adulteration of familial love that's the worst thing about it. If the siblings never really knew each other, then I guess the most worrisome thing out of that union would be kids, were they to ever have any.

In contradiction to what I said before, I don't think Johnny Law should have any say in what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes.

However the fact that people would knowingly possibly fuck up their own children is absolutely abhorrent. You don't need to do studies. The effects of inbreeding is easy to see in animal lineage: deformities, medical/mental instabilities, reproductive problems. Why would anyone ever CHOOSE to run the risk of their child or grandchildren (because sometimes recessive effects of inbreeding don't occur until secondary/tertiary generations) having horrible problems? Having kids with your brother is a choice, and having his baby is just an indirect form of abuse on the child.

Whether or not it's against the law is no matter to me. People should have morals enough to think about their offspring.

(of course, like I said, if offspring are not possible or whatever, then I don't give a fuck what their nasty asses do)
 
Venetia":4me362xg said:
I don't even have siblings (well, none I grew up with), but the simple fact that you grew up with them, fought with them, were annoyed by them, saw them at their worst, that they picked on you and tattled on you and depended on you to be a good sibling, saw them as a baby, looked up to them/had them look up to you, that they trusted you and loved you in a way that a family is supposed to love each other, not in a romantic way ... It's just creepy. But some people can't separate familial love from romantic love, I guess.
I can name dozens of couples that, minus the actual relationship of blood, started out just like this.

Me and Marissa were like this growing up.  I've been told when we were really super small we actually asked if we were brother and sister.  Years later and... well it's not incest, but that part of the argument still stands.

I still say it's gross, and would rather not have to hear about it.  But if you remove the genetic stuff, as you said earlier, it's the exact same as many "childhood sweethearts".
 
It's all a matter of opinion on this one, someone could absolutely hate it, someone can think that's hot and have a fetish over it. Me? I'm "Meh" on it.

You can only accept it. It's a lot like homosexuality and bisexuality, you can't hate it since it's always there, it's always been there, and you can't do anything about it... so the best thing to do is not worry about it. So what if someone sticks his dick into his sister, you can't do anything about it, so there's no point in hating it.

And just to throw this out there, someone is probably boinking their mom right now as we speak. Same with a sister, and yes, possibly with their own brother.  :dead:

Just my 2 cents...
 
A female boinking another female won't net a whacked out genetically inferior baby, though. A dude boinking his mom has a very high probability of that. And there's something very wrong with a person who'd willingly and knowingly endanger his/her kid's health/life/mental stability for such an unnecessary thing as mommy lust.
 
There's a difference between fucking your sister to get her preggers, and just fucking your sister. Contraception exists for that reason (to stop people getting pregnant).
 
theres still a risk of pregnancy. unless a party is sterile, or they lack physical necessities (like a uterus, or balls), or they are neutered, or they have not reached puberty, or it's two people of the same sex, there will ALWAYS be a risk of pregnancy, no matter how small.
 
But then the same thing could be said of Aids.

Should two people with Aids not have sex because they have a slim chance of becoming pregnant (burst condom, or whatever) because their child might (most likely will) have aids?
 
I say it's very morally wrong, yes.

But this isn't about disease. If you have sickle cell anemia and you really want a child, you don't really have ANY choice but to run the risk. However fucking your brother is ONEHUNDREDPERCENT optional (unless he, like, rapes you or something :x).

I think it's morally wrong for anyone who can pass on horrible disease or extreme deformities to their kids to HAVE kids, since they're being selfish (all they're thinking about is "I WANT A BABBY", not, "what if i pass this shit on??"), however you can't regulate that kind of stuff. Telling someone they can't have a kid just because they're sick is wrong. That's another debate, anyway. No need for tangents.

However fucking your uncle is just playing with fire. It's not just morally wrong, it's in bad taste, and it's moderately regulatable (i.e. you can't wed your sister). There are 6 billion people in the world--do you REALLY need to keep it all in the family???

I know people would bring that argument up, but someone who is sick is VERY VERY VERY different from a hillbilly redneck from the Appalachians!!!!
 
Venetia":170vkamn said:
theres still a risk of pregnancy. unless a party is sterile, or they lack physical necessities (like a uterus, or balls), or they are neutered, or they have not reached puberty, or it's two people of the same sex, there will ALWAYS be a risk of pregnancy, no matter how small.

A well placed Falcon Punch fixes everything.  Really.

I mean yeah even if the inside of your vagina is lined with ten thousand sperm-busting turbo lazer turrets there's a SUPER SMALL CHANCE that one might make it in and get absorbed by the egg but if that's the case then abort it.
 
Yeaahh while I think it's a good thing to have abortions legalized, it should never really be looked upon like birth control :/

However I don't want to get into that here!!!!!!

Dissonance":1y6h1i64 said:
A well placed Falcon Punch fixes everything.  Really.

I lol'd a little :3

sixtyandaquarter":1y6h1i64 said:
some people believe in incest but don't believe in abortion

I think you just summed up the sentiments of the entire southeast in a single sentence!!! :O bravo!
 
I don't see anything wrong with the morality of it, but like everyone else, I say no to kids.
I find the idea of a sexual relationship with my sister repulsive, but in a family where siblings feel strongly about each other, I don't have a problem with the pursuing a sexual or non-sexual relationship.
 
However fucking your uncle is just playing with fire.

Depends, is the aunt/uncle related, or did they marry into the family?

Anyway, on to my comments:

Everyone is assuming that incest will automatically give a child defects. In most cases, a significant statistic must be compared to a real world example. For example, a genetic parenthood test that says you have a 99.9% chance of being somone's father means you are 1 of roughly 200 people who could be the father. The same kind of rule applies to this kind of genetic problem. Really, if the siblings wanted to avoid having children, all they would need is some pills and a little saved money for abortion. (No, I don't want to start that debate here) On the other hand, with 2 siblings, they could statistically share anywhere from 0% to 100% of their DNA, basecd on the fact that they get a more than somewhat random 50% from each parent. I'm not saying that it is anywhere near a somehwat probable chance that two siblings will have completely different DNA, I'm just saying that it is technically possible.  In which case, they would have just as much chance of producing defective offspring as their parents did. On a side note, although limited incest did happen in the upper classes of many cultures, it was usually not between siblings. Instead, the closest relations married were usually first cousins, which have a much lower chance of producing genetic defects than siblings. On a side note, in my family history from my mother, I can find at least one case of that from descendants of the pilgrims in the Mayflower. (As in, first cousins marrying each other and having children) It usually produces little harm that way, and many families still practice that in other countries.
 
This is what I understand from this thread: "Ohh, bawwwwww. Two people want to make babies. But we won't let them love each other because something might go wrong with the baby, like they might make a retarded baby, and all of them will be retarded or something. But of course, this chance is higher than normal because its two related people, its proven, but we're going to let retarded people or people with a family history of awful disorders who have an equally broad chance of passing down their disorder breed as well. and its totally different!"

Here's a question. Why is it morally wrong. Is it because it is disgusting? How so? Can you give a clear answer? Is it because someone told you its wrong? Who or what tells you what is morally right or wrong. Or do you simply say it is. Take it as word.

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See this horse? Its pretty high up. Get off it.

A female boinking another female won't net a whacked out genetically inferior baby, though. A dude boinking his mom has a very high probability of that. And there's something very wrong with a person who'd willingly and knowingly endanger his/her kid's health/life/mental stability for such an unnecessary thing as mommy lust.
People willingly enter situations where it would cause danger to other people, especially children, on very many occasions, I doubt incest is the least of your worries.

Driving, for one, is rather dangerous, and guess what? It affects not just one or two children, it affects everyone who drives or simply walks upon the land. You're going to call a person who would willingly put someone in danger "very wrong" over "mommy lust", a miniscule detail in a world so dangerous? Do you know how many people are crippled, killed, crushed, or whos lives are utterly destroyed by car crashes? They, no, EVERYONE knows cars are dangerous when used in any situation. And you willingly and knowingly trust other people, complete strangers whos face nor voice nor gender is known by the least bit to you, who could care less what happens to you after you leave their field of consciousness, to keep you or your child safe from harm, and to not impede on your well-being?!

And here, you're worried that a male who fosters a child with a relative has something wrong with him. I do say you need to rethink your priorities, because what you proposed is ridiculous.

Or is it the fact that you're not trying to be dangerous that makes you right. Is that the case? Do you think every man bonking his mom or sis wants their child to be defected? Or rather, do you think every man bonking his mom or sis is deliberately trying to cause harm? What are the odds of a child defect from incest? Under 5-10%?
Or is that too high for you.

And what about genetically inferior? Do you want everyone to be genetically superior? Because its either one or the other, there is no "genetically average", unless you're going to create a specific group of "average" for the sake of argument.

I am going to say take your morals, which have no bounds within proper logic, and do not apply them here. You can believe them, and you are certainly free to share them, you don't have to listen to me. But from what you proposed, we are all "very wrong".

P.S. While incest has a "high" probability of creating a "monstrosity". I think theres a pretty high chance that everyone will die sooner or later. So what does it matter. Go believe that you are right, that incest is "wrong", because I know you aren't accepting a single thing.


However the fact that people would knowingly possibly fuck up their own children is absolutely abhorrent.
STOP DOING ANYTHING THEN. Its easy, if you don't do anything at all to knowingly possibly endanger your children, then probably nothing will happen. Hook up some tubes or something because food or air-borne contaminates might cause cancer. Or is that ridiculous. Hm? Perhaps it is.


However fucking your uncle is just playing with fire. It's not just morally wrong, it's in bad taste, and it's moderately regulatable (i.e. you can't wed your sister). There are 6 billion people in the world--do you REALLY need to keep it all in the family???
You're right, I'll just go marry that 10 year old african girl. If you say 6 billion people, I'm assuming you're allowing... well, all 6 billion people, which happens to include underaged children. Sicko.

"Ohh, bawwwwww. Two people want to make babies. But we won't let them love each other because something might go wrong with the baby, like they might make a retarded baby, and all of them will be retarded or something. But of course, this chance is higher than normal because its two related people, its proven, but we're going to let retarded people or people with a family history of awful disorders who have an equally broad chance of passing down their disorder breed as well. and its totally different!"
 

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