Guardianism in Signature?

[mawk]

P.S. please read all the words in my posts, instead of just the ones that come together to not make sense.

 

[Despain]

this is getting boring

 

[So fist]

Well, I have two views on this.  The first is that it is possible that you're picking up on others' conversations from afar (soul traveling [a.k.a. an out-of-body experience]).  The second is that it is possible that you're hearing figments of others' thoughts.  I've been standing next to my dad a few times and heard his voice, but he wasn't speaking.  I suppose if you were able to reach the point where you're both conscious and subconscious at the same time your soul would be able to plane travel.  Those three names don't ring a bell.

I'm thinking it must be the first.  I don't recognize the voices at all.  They are inhuman so to speak.  At times they are incomprehensible, but sometimes I get pieces of their conversation.  Nothing that makes much sense to me though.  Vague fragments here and there.  Sometimes when it happens my vision will fade.  Kind of like when you're about to faint, but I don't lose consciousness.  The voices get a little clearer when that happens.  Its a little scary so I usually stop meditating and curl up and cover my ears until it stops.  I hear those names  a lot when I hear voices.  Usually in reference to each other.  Do you think this is a bad thing?  Should I try and do things differently?  Its a rare occurrence but it happens.  Is it possible I'm traveling to another plane?

 

[Stardust]

this is getting boring

They've run out of things to make fun of.

Well, I have two views on this.  The first is that it is possible that you're picking up on others' conversations from afar (soul traveling [a.k.a. an out-of-body experience]).  The second is that it is possible that you're hearing figments of others' thoughts.  I've been standing next to my dad a few times and heard his voice, but he wasn't speaking.  I suppose if you were able to reach the point where you're both conscious and subconscious at the same time your soul would be able to plane travel.  Those three names don't ring a bell.

I'm thinking it must be the first.  I don't recognize the voices at all.  They are inhuman so to speak.  At times they are incomprehensible, but sometimes I get pieces of their conversation.  Nothing that makes much sense to me though.  Vague fragments here and there.  Sometimes when it happens my vision will fade.  Kind of like when you're about to faint, but I don't lose consciousness.  The voices get a little clearer when that happens.  Its a little scary so I usually stop meditating and curl up and cover my ears until it stops.  I hear those names  a lot when I hear voices.  Usually in reference to each other.  Do you think this is a bad thing?  Should I try and do things differently?  Its a rare occurrence but it happens.  Is it possible I'm traveling to another plane?

If it were me, I'd be curious and try to figure out what they're talking about.  I'm not sure if this is good advice or not.  I doubt there is anything that could harm you should you travel to another plane because of the connection between the soul and the body.  If you feel like you're going to faint, I'd recommend stopping, though.  It might not be anything spiritual, but instead something medical, which shouldn't be disregarded.  Of course, it could be that you're just falling asleep and beginning to hear your dream for that night, which has happened to me a couple of times (although I wasn't meditating).

~Guardian1239

 

[e]

My poor, poor Sophist. Most people don't know this, but as a child, our dear Sophist here was prone to seizures and other "hysterical" behaviors, as they were described then.

His sires, devout Catholics, good people, I am sure, were extremely worried that the fragile condition of their only heir would eventually make him succumb to darker, unnatural forces, much like a modern, masculine Lilith.

They prayed, night after night after night, their knees an ever ending wracked, bloodied mess, their hearts aching at the thought of losing little Sophist, convulsing in the corner, thick, red foam bubbling from his sore, gaping maw. Unfortunately, they did not know what was causing the trouble; the boy would simply curl up in fetal position, precariously perched atop the living room's curb, rocking back and forth, muttering what seemed to them inanities in an odd, onomatopoeic idiom.

The story ran a couple of years ago in the Boston Post; I was, at the time, living in Boston under the name Alexander Carlie, hiding from certain malevolent friends, but I remember it well, ergo my penchant, nay, my fondness for Sophist. I always felt like his parents had unknowingly entrusted him into my care, when he unconsciously decided to join this corner of the digital world. Whether I am mistaken or not is irrelevant; until the very end, until my last, ragged breath, as the Beast opens its dark, scaly, creaking jaws, revealing rows and rows of black, onyx teeth; as a strange piping escapes from its acid gnawed belly, I will cry out for Sophist, and the melody that ends all Time will sweep by him, untouched, leaving nothing behind but putrefaction and boxcar cadavers.

But I digress; I simply meant to explain as to how, and why Sophist would hear those voices. This is not a joke, people. I would never belittle such a matter of importance, as you know, as you can see by the elaborate spelling and large vocabulary displayed here.

But I digress, again. I'm sorry for my erratic behaviors, but retelling these dark times has touched a most sensible nerve in me, and my naturally delicate emotive structure has been altered by all this reminiscing.

I will not bore you any longer with such prattle, old fool that I am, but I will ask this: Guardian, I beg of you, help Sophist, help him find his way in this ultra materialistic world, this neo-liberal emporium. He sorely needs the enlightening of one such as you, regardless of whether you are wrong or not; you are hope.

 

[Stardust]

Doctors are too quick to dismiss possibilities outside what they understand.  I do not doubt that the reasons I have stated previously are the real cause of the voices.  I have created these ideas to explain why things happen that we don't know about yet.  We still don't know what kind of powers one has in their dreams.  My mother witnessed her sister's wedding from start to finish, with every detail included, in a dream before the wedding ever took place.  This is why I believe dreams are so much more than a jumble of ideas.  I give you another view, but I don't want you to dismiss something serious.  It's OK to have ideas and views, but they shouldn't interfere with getting needed medical attention.

~Guardian1239

 

[Despain]

Guardian, I used to make fun of you for this stuff myself, but seeing you so calm and consistent makes me begin to change my mind about all of this, and about you.

I mean, I'm ready to convert yo Guardianism myself (yet...?), but I think I at least begin to understand where you are coming from.

 

[Stardust]

Guardian, I used to make fun of you for this stuff myself, but seeing you so calm and consistent makes me begin to change my mind about all of this, and about you.

I mean, I'm ready to convert yo Guardianism myself (yet...?), but I think I at least begin to understand where you are coming from.

Thank you for this post.  I was almost ready to leave here after Yeyinde's extreme comments, but I'm glad I didn't.  I'm actually serious about this stuff.  I'm not pulling this out of the air, which is what some people seem to think.  I have reasons behind every belief and idea.

~Guardian1239

 

[holloway]

You are, the force
You are the only one,
Dark matter, is you
The jury helping you

Be my, be my
be my little guardanism queen
Be my, be my
be my little guardanism queen
Be my, be my
be my little guardanism queen

You are the force,
You are the only one,
You are so cold,
Cos I just cast ice on you

Be my, be my
be my little guardanism queen
Be my, be my
be my little guardanism queen
Be my, be my
be my little guardanism queen

 

[e]

Guardian, I used to make fun of you for this stuff myself, but seeing you so calm and consistent makes me begin to change my mind about all of this, and about you.

I mean, I'm ready to convert yo Guardianism myself (yet...?), but I think I at least begin to understand where you are coming from.

I believe you meant to say "...I mean, I'm not ready to convert..."

And please, holloway, we're trying to help Sophist here, and enlighten any one else who feels lost and is drowning in disarray. Songs are unlikely to help much, unless properly recorded.

 

[Stardust]

I actually don't mind holloway's comments anymore.  I'm not sure why, but I'm actually beginning to like her input.  Ice spells are actually possible.  One can cool down the air by stopping movement of particles in an area.  If water vapor is in the area, it could turn into ice when it gets below 0 Celcius.  So, it is plausible.  I've actually made explanations of how most types of spells would work.

~Guardian1239

 

[Yeyinde]

You can't stop particles from moving.  If particles stop moving, their "temperature" is absolute zero.  As we all know, absolute zero is impossible to achieve.  Also, water doesn't always freeze when it gets below zero.  Ever heard of super-cooled liquid?  Same goes for boiling water as well.  Sometimes it doesn't boil and it becomes a super-heated liquid.

 

[e]

You can't stop particles from moving.  If particles stop moving, their "temperature" is absolute zero.  As we all know, absolute zero is impossible to achieve.  Also, water doesn't always freeze when it gets below zero.  Ever heard of super-cooled liquid?  Same goes for boiling water as well.  Sometimes it doesn't boil and it becomes a super-heated liquid.

Absolute is so far impossible to achieve. It is theoretically possible however, and as long as it is, then you cannot affirm that it is entirely impossible to do so. Just highly improbable with our current level of knowledge which is, as we all know, very limited and bound to five, erroneous senses.

 

[Stardust]

You can't stop particles from moving.  If particles stop moving, their "temperature" is absolute zero.  As we all know, absolute zero is impossible to achieve.  Also, water doesn't always freeze when it gets below zero.  Ever heard of super-cooled liquid?  Same goes for boiling water as well.  Sometimes it doesn't boil and it becomes a super-heated liquid.

I didn't mean stop them, I meant slow them down.  I'm not sure why I said stop them.  I've actually never heard of super-cooled liquid.  It sounds like an interesting idea.  Boiling caused by a difference in pressure between the water and the air, but I'm not too sure of the specifics.  I'm going to assume this works for freezing as well, which may be what you're referring to.  As for absolute zero - I believe it is what existed before the force and the creation of the universe.

Of course, all of these are ideas that can't be proven yet.  We'll hopefully be able to achieve some of these things, either through magic or with aid from machines, in the future.

~Guardian1239

 

[holloway]

Of course, all of these are ideas that can't be proven yet.  We'll hopefully be able to achieve some of these things, either through magic or with aid from machines, in the future.

So how do you know they're true?

 

[Stardust]

Of course, all of these are ideas that can't be proven yet.  We'll hopefully be able to achieve some of these things, either through magic or with aid from machines, in the future.

So how do you know they're true?

I'm talking specifically about absolute zero temperature and slowing particles.  Absolute zero hasn't really been proven to be possible, but it's theoretically possible.  Slowing particles occurs whenever something cold appears in a warm environment, so I have a feeling we'll definitely be able to harness this power eventually.  I don't think I'll ever be able to prove any of my ideas regarding the force, Jury, guardians, or magic.

~Guardian1239

 

[So fist]

If it were me, I'd be curious and try to figure out what they're talking about.  I'm not sure if this is good advice or not.  I doubt there is anything that could harm you should you travel to another plane because of the connection between the soul and the body.  If you feel like you're going to faint, I'd recommend stopping, though.  It might not be anything spiritual, but instead something medical, which shouldn't be disregarded.  Of course, it could be that you're just falling asleep and beginning to hear your dream for that night, which has happened to me a couple of times (although I wasn't meditating).

I'm not sure so much on dreams.  I regularly have recurring ones and they don't involve any of that.  Usually it involves me being chased or chasing something.  I think it has something to do with my cat.  We're very close.  I've had him since I was twelve.  One time I had one of these chase dreams, this time as chaser, and it ended with a gooey taste in my mouth.  Their isn't much detail aside from that.  Just running amongst the shadows with a fierce hungerlike desire.  But when that gooey sensation hit I awoke.  My cat was on the floor beside my bed picking apart a freshly caught mouse.  We get a lot of field mice where I am.

I'll take your advice and explore further.  I don't feel faint when it happens.  Its just that the line of sight narrows and then blackens.  I'll be sure Alex is around so nothing bad happens.  He's a good guy.  When my epilepsy was really bad he would bring me my Dilantin and sing to me to me songs from his native hinterlands.  I rarely have seizures nowadays, though. 

I'll also try and write down what they say, and what I recall them saying in past times.

 

[e]

Oh, Sophist, my boy. Dilantin isn't going to solve all of your problems. We really need to focus on creating a solid, long-term plan, and I believe with the help of people like Guardian et al., we will find a way to explain and understand what is happening to you.

Too often have we been touted by so called doctors, science men who claim that what you experience are flights of fancy caused by the inexplicable death of your mother during the mill accident of '92.

I'm sorry. I shouldn't be exposing you like this to the outside world, especially on a forum which has little to nothing to do with your problems. I shouldn't have said that. I hope you'll forgive me, my boy. But the people here have been so helpful, so kind and genuine! I feel like we might truly move forward, for once; it's only of matter of time.

Never mind those we cannot open their minds to new experiences, those who refuse to believe anything that hasn't been commercialized, pre-chewed for mass consumption and dumbed down for the plebe; we must stand strong, lad, and never falter in our faith.

While I'm still unsure of my stand on Guardianism as a whole (I have always been reluctant to adhere to a religion or cult), it still proves to be more open, more flexible than the other spiritual guidances, and those are qualities a man can trust in and believe in.

 

[Venetia]

Whatever, so long as any religion doesn't charge to be a part of their "club" and you don't practice secret killings (coughscientologycough) then I don't really care what anyone believes.

I'm starting a religion. It's called "Beefism". In my religion, beefiness is next to godliness. There is a cow named Foody and she gave birth to the universe and gave us the glorious animal the cow, which we were told to eat until we ourselves were beefy like her. Roast beef, steak--it's all good. Consume like crazy. A massive coronary related to cow fat intake is the ultimate death and guarantees you into beefy heaven. Vegetarians are the anti-Foodys. They are evil and will go to Hippieland, a horrible afterlife full of vegans, soy protein, tree hugging, and incredibly loose stools with slight anal leakage.

Who cares what people believe? Shit, we have creative minds so we can come up with all this shit ourselves.

 

[Skyla Doragono]

I'm extremely skeptical of all religions as a whole.  Religions to me is just an excuse to get a massive group of people to agree on one thing, and if you're lucky you might change the course of history.  Can good come of this?  Sure; if there had been no Jesus and no rise of Christianity then we'd probably still be doing like the Roman's do.  However, you can't deny that there is usually more harm than good.  Yes I'm referring to those that kill in the name of whatever God they believe in and in the name of their religion.

For this reason, I feel the need to pick apart your so called "religion".

Before time, an infinite nothingness was a canvas for the force to create its world.

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... owait.

The nothingness is absolute zero matter.

OBJECTION!

You're contradicting yourself.  "Absolute zero" implies that there's absolutely nothing.  Zip, zulch, notta; nothing exists.  Unless you're referring to the theory of absolute zero, in which case it wouldn't be nothingness, now would it?  Matter is something that does in fact exist.  Quoth the Wiki:

In science, matter is commonly defined as the substance of which physical objects are composed, not counting the contribution of various energy or force-fields, which are not usually considered to be matter per se (though they may contribute to the mass of objects). Matter constitutes much of the observable universe, although again, light is not ordinarily considered matter. Unfortunately, for scientific purposes, "matter" is somewhat loosely defined. It is normally defined as anything that has mass and takes up space.

So what you're saying is that the nothingness is absolutely nothing of something that exists, has mass, and takes up space.  DOES NOT COMPUTE. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c391/ ... uckpb4.gif[/img]

The force created itself from the nothingness, forming it into matter - space, energy, elements.

"When God said 'let there be light', do you think that could be a metaphor for the Big Bang?  The creation of the universe in that instant?"
"No, God just went 'click'."

Again, you're contradicting yourself, as there had to have been something to exist for the Force to have formed itself.  Although, from what I've seen, the Theory of Evolution doesn't seem to apply to this, so I guess you could get away with that, but it's still difficult to believe that something could just randomly make itself appear for no logical reason whatsoever.

Also, I'm wondering why you don't capitalize "Force", seeing as it's an important part of your beliefs.  Could be because of the dreaded monster known as copyright?  Le gasp!

Also, as previously established, "energy" isn't normally considered part of matter.  :thumb:

The force is released from a center point, which, from the overflow of the force, compressed itself into a very powerful and everlasting star  that is a constant emitter of the force.

This just sounds like scientology, and I'm not going to get into that as I hate scientology with every fiber of my being and I hope it dies a slow and painful death.

Although at the same time, this force sounds more like gravity then some mystical power.  So I guess that means you're contradicting yourself yet again.

The Central Star, as it is called, is the home of the Jury.

Most people would call that a "Sun", dear.  And damn, a condo on the sun?  At least you wouldn't have to worry about a heating bill...

The force is constantly expanding, although at a very slow rate.

Why?  Why would it want to keep growing?  Is there a reason for this?  And why so slowly?  I would imagine something would want to pop things into existence and be done with it.

If you manage to reach the end of space and feel you will hit an invisible solid wall.

*CLUNK* "Dammit, you idiot! I told you to take a right at Jupiter!"

It'd be pretty hard to feel the end of space, unless you want to do so the hard way, though you probably wouldn't live to tell about it.  Besides, our current technology can't even get a man safely and quickly to Mars, so how can you even prove this at all?

The nothingness is absolute zero substance, so it's impossible to enter.

Contradicting again! http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c391/ ... eng101.gif[/img]

Seriously, have you even had a basic Science class yet?

The force has the power to create, but it does not have the power to change or destroy.

Uh... that's pretty damn impossible.  In order to create something, something needs to be changed.  How can you create something from nothing?

Oh, right.  YOU CAN'T.

It relies on its creation to govern itself.  The force is the basic fiber of everything.  If one can control the force, make it flow through their bodies, and transform it as they wish, they can control everything.

Okay, sure.  Yoda.  Or maybe Obi-Wan is a better name.  Episode I Obi-Wan.

Seriously, this is directly out of Star Wars.  I don't feel like running downstairs to get my books on the Classic Trilogy and Empire Building (a book that details everything that happened when making said Trilogy), but trust me, it's there.

This is more commonly known as magic.

Cute.  Very cute.

The Egyptians and other ancient civilizations like them believed that a priest throwing a few powders and leaves together to form some kind of remedy was magic.  Pharaoh's were gods on earth and the mere faith in him was enough to supposedly bring the floods in from the Nile every year.  Native Americans from the New Jersey area believed that if a healer made a bloody feather float away from a sick child then that child was healed, etc., etc.

If magic really existed, then a lot of this wouldn't have been proven otherwise hundreds of times over by now.  Not only that, but would you trust the adverage American with a power as explosive and potentially dangerous as magic?  I know I wouldn't, and I thank god that no one has such power, realized or otherwise.

It is very powerful, but the channeling of the force can easily destroy someone who is inexperienced.

Beware the Dark Side?  Or maybe Dork Side?

Seriously, I've spent about an hour on this and only got through the first page.  Nothing you've said on it makes the least bit of sense.  I'm almost afraid to touch any of the other pages.