Final Fantasy Endings... good or bad?? [Spoilers!]

[Fayte]

alright, i could probably cause a lot of frustration to all of you hardcore final fantasy 7 fans, but I just have to bring it up, it's been bugging me for a while now. Now to be honest I've never actually beaten final fantasy 7, but you hear so much about it, I basically know the whole story.

But back to the point...

I beat final fantasy 9 and I noticed that the story line to 7 and 9 are somewhat similar, now i'm not saying that they are exactly the same, but they have very similar base plots. What I mean, is that in final fantasy 9 the main character Zidane, figures out that he isn't really a human (who would have thought with that tail huh!), and he has a "brother" who also figured out the same thing but he takes it to a whole new level, he gets upset at the world and tries to destroy it. Now in final fnatasy 7, Cloud figures out that he has something called the geo-stigma if I am correct, and that he has a "brother" who was also ejected with the same stuff, but when he found out he went mad and tried to destroy everything.

Now i know i probably missed a bunch of key facts about the games, but I pretty much nailed the overall plot of both game correct? So tell me do you guys think they are similar?

(note: I know I probably just displayed a pretty bad view of grammar, so ignore that  :grin:.)

-Brick Road

 

[Stardust]

This would be better placed in the Video Games forum.  Also, spoilers would be a good idea to keep from revealing the storyline to those that haven't finished the game and want to find out what happens for themselves.

(In the future, talk about where topics belong should be handled by reporting rather than by making a casual observance. It's easier to see and react to, and it doesn't clog up regular discussion. Appreciate the help, though.)

-Brick Road

 

[mawk]

Not in the least. You've named a few character features in incredibly broad terms and called them a plot summary.

Sorry, but as theories go, this is pretty weak. :x

• It doesn't actually cover the plot, just two keystone characters.
• Most of the details regarding these characters are simply incorrect. Cloud was human, Sephiroth wasn't remotely related to him, Geostigma didn't make an appearance until the movie, etc.
• Thanks for the spoilers, btw. :x
  This looks like a job for....... Brick Road............

 

[Fayte]

Edit: never mind already been done, that was kinda weird

But basically what happens in both stories is that

Spoiler: final fantasy 7 and 9 spoiler

they have an evil "brother that wants to destroy the world when they find out the truth behind their heritage

correct?

 

[Dark-Kyo]

I dont know if you ever beat Final fantasy 7 but the story is far different, The reason why in Advent Children they call Cloud brother is because Kadaj and his gang have parts of JENOVA in their DNA (which is why they refere to her as "mother"). By calling cloud "brother" they hint at Cloud also carring parts of JENOVA, which is true in a way, as he also has geostigma, which is a sign of being spoiled with JENOVA-cells. If you want to really get the story of FF7
I recommend you playing Final fantasy 7 Crisis Core and then Final fantasy 7 (if you haven't done so).
Kadaj is a Larva of Sephiroth or should i say all 3 of the gang were larva.

 

[Fayte]

no, im not interested in final fantasy 7 at all i think its overrated, you can probably tell by my siggy im an ff8 fan, but i beat ff9 and heard a lot about the story to ff7 and figured they sounded really similar, with the deranged "brothers" and all

 

[Luminier]

Jesus Christ, man. Maybe you should read into what you're talking about a bit more, before you make a thread like this.

Yes, there are a few similarities between the Final Fantasy VII, and Final Fantasy IX. Does that make them the same? No. Besides, who cares???

Also, FFIX>FFVII [/shameless fanboyism]

 

[candle]

If you've never played it, don't try to talk about it as if you have.  Granted, I have never finished IX (got to the final boss, and died...  repeatedly.), and it's been a while since I played either of them, but from what I remember, you are completely wrong.

Sephiroth and Cloud were not brothers.  Sephiroth was a human infused with JENOVA cells during conception, making much more.  Cloud was a human infused with JENOVA cells much later in his life.  Cloud's confusion over his past was caused by his grief from losing his best friend, and his failing to achieve his dream of becoming a top member of SOLDIER.

Zidane's confusion, on the other hand, was the cause of being lost to his kind at a young age.  All he remembered from Terra was a shining blue light.  His quest wasn't to stop an evil brother/ comrade from trying to destroy the world, it was trying to uncover his past and learn where he came from.  Sure Kuja actualy was Zidane's slightly insane and nearly identical twin, but saving the world from him was a small part of the story.

Besides, you are completely disregarding the other characters and their roles in the story.  You must look at the story as a whole to compare and contrast, not just bits and pieces.  To do otherwise is to only see what you want to see.  No truth can be devised thus.

I suggest you play VII.  It was a good game, even if a little over rated.  ALso, as said before, geostigma wasn't introduced until AC, and no other game in the series has an impact on the story of VII.  Not any prequel, nor any sequel.

 

[Fayte]

i've played it before, just never beat it, last thing i remember doing was getting vincent. But anyways i see where you guys are coming from, I was looking at the whole situation wrongly.

Spoiler: for Darkfire

HOW COULD YOU LOSE TO HIM?!? He really isn't that difficult beat him on my first try, if you still have the game i suggest you try again the ending is quite pleasing :lol:.

 

[moog]

Your theories are retarted. None of that makes any sense.

Here's a similarity

Spoiler

They both has da chokobohs.

 

[Phoenix]

Your theories are retarted. None of that makes any sense.

Here's a similarity

Spoiler

They both has da chokobohs.

Quoted for Truth.
They DO Both has da chokobohs.

Really, they may have plot similarities. And they're both good games.
Coincidence? You decide.

 

[candle]

i've played it before, just never beat it, last thing i remember doing was getting vincent. But anyways i see where you guys are coming from, I was looking at the whole situation wrongly.

Spoiler: for Darkfire

HOW COULD YOU LOSE TO HIM?!? He really isn't that difficult beat him on my first try, if you still have the game i suggest you try again the ending is quite pleasing :lol:.

My party was at level 45 all around, not to mention, I wasn't too good with getting the proper abilities.  I have heard that the ending is good, and one of these days, I'll finish it. Last time I tried, I stopped halfway through disc three because I lost interest for a while.

 

[moog]

i've played it before, just never beat it, last thing i remember doing was getting vincent. But anyways i see where you guys are coming from, I was looking at the whole situation wrongly.

Spoiler: for Darkfire

HOW COULD YOU LOSE TO HIM?!? He really isn't that difficult beat him on my first try, if you still have the game i suggest you try again the ending is quite pleasing :lol:.

My party was at level 45 all around, not to mention, I wasn't too good with getting the proper abilities.  I have heard that the ending is good, and one of these days, I'll finish it. Last time I tried, I stopped halfway through disc three because I lost interest for a while.

Actually, FFIX has probably the WORST ending to a Final Fantasy game (right behind V and VIII) and is one of the main reasons I didnt want to re-play it.

 

[Marcus]

Actually, FFIX has probably the WORST ending to a Final Fantasy game (right behind V and VIII) and is one of the main reasons I didnt want to re-play it.

You mean FFIX was the only final fantasy game whos ending had closure, right?

I thought the ending was beautiful.  It made a full circle by referencing the intro and you get a look at everyone's lives after the ending without it resorting to all the characters gathered around having a picnic and laughing at the sky (see Grandia 2 and Wild Arms 2).

 

[moog]

Actually, FFIX has probably the WORST ending to a Final Fantasy game (right behind V and VIII) and is one of the main reasons I didnt want to re-play it.

You mean FFIX was the only final fantasy game whos ending had closure, right?

I thought the ending was beautiful.  It made a full circle by referencing the intro and you get a look at everyone's lives after the ending without it resorting to all the characters gathered around having a picnic and laughing at the sky (see Grandia 2 and Wild Arms 2).

No, I meant it was awful.

Didnt Vivi have kids and Zidane popped out of nowhere? That wasnt explained well. I thought the whole thing was too happy cheesy imo.

Final Fantasy VI had closure too, but it had the best ending hands down in the series.

Im not saying IX was bad at all, its one of my favorites. It just had a poorly done, terrible ending. Since you said Wild Arms 2, that popped into my head. It was just like IX. Great game, bad ending.

 

[Marcus]

Didnt Vivi have kids and Zidane popped out of nowhere? That wasnt explained well. I thought the whole thing was too happy cheesy imo.

Zidane made peace with his dying brother.  In the aftermath of the near total destruction of Alexandria, Garnet managed to mostly rebuild her kingdom.  Zidane popped up during the play which was a great piece because the whole idea of a faux shakespearian play really added to the overall atmosphere of the FFIX universe and having Zidane make such an awesome appearance (after being presumed dead) was great.  After that, they showed what has happening with the other characters; Quina was boring but Freya was nursing her amnesiac lover, Adamant adopted Eiko or something, and Vivi died after having kids (yes, he died).  The whole story came full circle when Vivi's kid came into the city in a scene similar to the intro.

Yeah, FF9's ending had closure.  Sorry it wasn't vague or action packed or emo like FF7 and FF8 but you can't win 'em all. 

 

[Luminier]

Adamant adopted Eiko or something,

Actually, that was Regent Cid that adopted her. I don't even remember what happened with Amarant. :\

But yeah, FFIX's ending was really great.

 

[CERU]

While we're on FFIX's ending ... I just never understood what the ending boss to FFIX had to do with anything. I remember thinking "what relevance does this have to the plot?"

But I guess you can inform me.

 

[Marcus]

I don't even remember what happened with Amarant. :\

He was the weak link in FF9 and a pretty MEH character like Quina.  The only reason I can find why they included him in the game was because the Monk class is awesome.

While we're on FFIX's ending ... I just never understood what the ending boss to FFIX had to do with anything. I remember thinking "what relevance does this have to the plot?"

That was the whole point.  He DIDN'T have any relevence to the plot.  FF9 was essentially a throwback to the classic FF games right down to the character design and style(they got rid of Nomura and his dumb I LIKE BELTS PLUS ZIPPERS pseudo futuristic design).  Necron was basically a reimagining of Chaos or EX-DETH; he's a super powerful being that reveals himself during the final 5 minutes of the game.  He's not even referenced by any of the characters once you defeat him.  He was just a big, cool final boss (and my favorite of the Final Fantasy final bosses).

It's ironic that everyone who claimed FF9 was terrible because of Necron also praised FF4 and FF5's storyline.

 

[CERU]

I don't even remember what happened with Amarant. :\

He was the weak link in FF9 and a pretty MEH character like Quina.  The only reason I can find why they included him in the game was because the Monk class is awesome.

While we're on FFIX's ending ... I just never understood what the ending boss to FFIX had to do with anything. I remember thinking "what relevance does this have to the plot?"

That was the whole point.  He DIDN'T have any relevence to the plot.  FF9 was essentially a throwback to the classic FF games right down to the character design and style(they got rid of Nomura and his dumb I LIKE BELTS PLUS ZIPPERS pseudo futuristic design).  Necron was basically a reimagining of Chaos or EX-DETH; he's a super powerful being that reveals himself during the final 5 minutes of the game.  He's not even referenced by any of the characters once you defeat him.  He was just a big, cool final boss (and my favorite of the Final Fantasy final bosses).

It's ironic that everyone who claimed FF9 was terrible because of Necron also praised FF4 and FF5's storyline.

Wasn't Ex-Death relevant way before that in FFV?

Eh. I think they could have done better.