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Do You Believe in Higher Lifeforms in the Universe?

I don't even want to quote that lol.


Well anyway, on the organic microscopic level thingy.

To control it, just put it in a vaccum and have it stall out its living cycle (Like hibernating, only more effective). Then the only problem is rapid growth.

I think we just blew this topic away, so unless someone has new material, we may want it to die. We just completely proved the point of existence ^_^
 

mawk

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I don't know how organic messengers you read about in science fiction prove anything but the fact that you have distinguished tastes in literature. :x
 
Miek":2ph7qv9b said:
I don't know how organic messengers you read about in science fiction prove anything but the fact that you have distinguished tastes in literature. :x

Quite so. Actually the fun part of that is, there's a scientific formula for how to do such a thing. The only thing we would have a problem with is the need to MAKE the organism.
 

mawk

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There's a formula on how to use something so massively inefficient as evolution as a means of communication. :x

You've named a purely hypothetical means of communicating over great distance (from a fiction book) and said that it proves the existence of other life forms out there. :x

Like Nphyx said, how could you ensure its survival or even guarantee that the message would make it intact? It seems awfully far-fetched to be taking it for granted as a solid fact.
 
Miek":2nfryqfc said:
There's a formula on how to use something so massively inefficient as evolution as a means of communication. :x

You've named a purely hypothetical means of communicating over great distance (from a fiction book) and said that it proves the existence of other life forms out there. :x

Like Nphyx said, how could you ensure its survival or even guarantee that the message would make it intact? It seems awfully far-fetched to be taking it for granted as a solid fact.

Why did you join in? ._. Nphyx and I were talking about the book as the means of evolutionary communication because we read the book... We branched off the same subject. If you'd waited like 4 posts you coulda joined in on equal ground.

Go read the book miek, then rejoin the convo :X.

The Andromeda Strain.
 

mawk

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I think we just blew this topic away, so unless someone has new material, we may want it to die. We just completely proved the point of existence ^_^

I suppose this threw me off, then.

Very well, carry on.
 
Our planet is like a grain of sand on an infinite beach. Maybe it's a special grain of sand, a diamond. But nonetheless, there are trillions of others like it, and there are bound to be a few more diamonds out there somewhere.
 
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"Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of biology knows that life adapts to the environment, not the other way around."
I'm getting annoyed with people who say that there can't be life on other planets because there is no oxygen, or light, or something else that humans require to live. Come on guys, we all know trees breathe Carbon Dioxide, what's to say that other intelligent life forms don't function on what we can't?
Riddle me this, if the theory of the Multi-verse is in fact true, then who's to say that life in other Universes, or at least, other parts of ours, run on our laws of Physics?
 
titanproject2010":1s4migzt said:
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"Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of biology knows that life adapts to the environment, not the other way around."
I'm getting annoyed with people who say that there can't be life on other planets because there is no oxygen, or light, or something else that humans require to live. Come on guys, we all know trees breathe Carbon Dioxide, what's to say that other intelligent life forms don't function on what we can't?
Riddle me this, if the theory of the Multi-verse is in fact true, then who's to say that life in other Universes, or at least, other parts of ours, run on our laws of Physics?

Well, I actually like this, I was hoping someone would bring it up.


Think about this, who's to say our laws of physics apply to other planets as well. It's only been tested on here and the moon, and the moon is possibly a part of the Earth. Other planets, maybe even outside our solar system, could have adverse effects on an object, like instead of attracting it, it disintegrates it.

Black Holes are the perfect example. They pull objects towards them, but once an object is inside we have no idea what happens. We only assume the object is crushed from gravity, while a billion other possibilities could occur. For all we know, a black hole *is* an enterance to another universe.

Whether you believe you can or cannot do something, you are usually right - H.F.

Same applies here, if we believe we can fly, we actually can. We made airplanes, so we could fly.

If we believe we can kill, we made guns and martial arts, to protect ourselves.

etc.

However, if we believe we can defy the laws of physics... we can. Check the discovery channel sometime, a guy proved neutons 3rd theory wrong
 

mawk

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"MAYBE DIFFERENT PLANETS HAVE DIFFERENT LAWS OF PHYSICS."

Please don't make crazy claims in a thread that isn't even about this sort of mind-over-matter stuff. The laws of physics are supposedly universal -- notice how every heavenly body is attracted to other heavenly bodies according to their masses? Extreme circumstances such as black holes (which theoretically can directly affect the first four dimensions as opposed to just the three we live in) exist, but you have to understand just how extreme those circumstances are -- the existence of something so heavy that it literally folds in on itself on an atomic level.

I'm not saying that you are absolutely one hundred percent wrong. I'm just saying that

A. You completely misunderstood his point -- his point was that life forms do not necessarily depend on the presence of the same elements and materials we do, not that other planets have MAGIC!!!
B. You can't make a crazy "what if" statement without backing it up. I know this thread is hugely hypothetical, but everyone up to this point has at least stated a fact-based reason for their beliefs. You say something "could" be true, but leave the rest of us wondering exactly why that is. Why could other planets have different fundamental laws of matter, except in extreme situations like a black hole?

I *COULD* have a disgruntled but momentarily dormant djinni hiding behind the sliding panel in my room, but I think it's within reason to say that I do not.
 
Chimmy Ray":2hsv00im said:
"MAYBE DIFFERENT PLANETS HAVE DIFFERENT LAWS OF PHYSICS."

Please don't make crazy claims in a thread that isn't even about this sort of mind-over-matter stuff. The laws of physics are supposedly universal -- notice how every heavenly body is attracted to other heavenly bodies according to their masses? Extreme circumstances such as black holes (which theoretically can directly affect the first four dimensions as opposed to just the three we live in) exist, but you have to understand just how extreme those circumstances are -- the existence of something so heavy that it literally folds in on itself on an atomic level.

I'm not saying that you are absolutely one hundred percent wrong. I'm just saying that

A. You completely misunderstood his point -- his point was that life forms do not necessarily depend on the presence of the same elements and materials we do, not that other planets have MAGIC!!!
B. You can't make a crazy "what if" statement without backing it up. I know this thread is hugely hypothetical, but everyone up to this point has at least stated a fact-based reason for their beliefs. You say something "could" be true, but leave the rest of us wondering exactly why that is. Why could other planets have different fundamental laws of matter, except in extreme situations like a black hole?

I *COULD* have a disgruntled but momentarily dormant djinni hiding behind the sliding panel in my room, but I think it's within reason to say that I do not.

Ok, I get your point. But a Black Hole affecting time? Is that possible?
 

mawk

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This coming from the guy who says they might lead to other universes?

Theoretically. Apparently. I'm not entirely clear on the details, but it's a pretty common theory that as you go deeper into a black hole, time slows, until you reach a point where it nearly stops altogether.That wasn't the point of what I was saying at all, though.
 
Chimmy Ray":4xluh5kz said:
This coming from the guy who says they might lead to other universes?

Theoretically. Apparently. I'm not entirely clear on the details, but it's a pretty common theory that as you go deeper into a black hole, time slows, until you reach a point where it nearly stops altogether.That wasn't the point of what I was saying at all, though.

If you think on that, its paradoxical. The speed of light technically defies time, however if a black hole slows time, then the speed of light is pointless in a black hole.


Think about this for a second --

You somehow manage to not get crushed by the gravometric force of a black hole. And you hit the end of it, would it be like an explosive slingshot? Shooting the objects out with such speed you would literally bound into the edge of the universe within a moment of the objective shot? Well maybe not immedeatly (sp?) but you get the idea.

Now that I think on it, if you were looking outside into space at all, your brain would overload and you could die. The images passing your face would be so fast, your brain can't compensate for it... and would just cease to try.
 

mawk

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Um, what? I don't understand what you're saying here. Better men and women than I have explained the theory in more detail than I, and all I can say is that I'm sure that professional physicists have compensated for points that high-school students can raise. It seems like a cop-out answer, but I gotta admit that my formal education in physics only goes up to a grade eleven level so far. The rest I get from being one inquisitive little bastard throughout most of my life.

And what do you mean, the speed of light is not dependent on time? It has a measurable value in kilometers/meters/what have per second/minute/what have you. Are you telling me that light goes infinitely fast? It doesn't. Its speed is just impossible to reach by anything but light.

You somehow manage to not get crushed by the gravometric force of a black hole. And you hit the end of it, would it be like an explosive slingshot? Shooting the objects out with such speed you would literally bound into the edge of the universe within a moment of the objective shot? Well maybe not immedeatly (sp?) but you get the idea.
I don't get what you're trying to say here, either. First, what the fuck does this have to do with anything? From what I see, we're just making more crazy disjointed banter about black holes.

At the center of a black hole, there is supposedly an ultradense bunch of atoms. There's a lot of space between individual atoms, if you think about it, and black holes are supposedly dense enough to make that collapse. Your "slingshot" thing confuses me. Gravity works like this -- things fall towards other things because of gravitational force. Ergo, we're pulled towards the Earth, and the Earth is pulled towards us. You don't shoot outwards once you reach a black hole. You wouldn't be falling fast enough to escape the gravitational force that got you to that point. Assuming you reached the center, your component atoms would probably just wrap themselves around that superdense ball and shiroun would cease to exist except as a name once given to one layer of that bolas. Gravity can be used as a slingshot, but only with relatively weak gravitational fields -- the orbits of planets, not a point past the event horizon in a black hole!

Now that I think on it, if you were looking outside into space at all, your brain would overload and you could die. The images passing your face would be so fast, your brain can't compensate for it... and would just cease to try.
Again, tell me how this has anything to do with anything? Were you stoned when you wrote this? Nothing seems to make much sense. I can't begin to guess what point you're making here.

Alright, now that two high school students have bitched at each other about university doctorate-level physics, can we get back on topic, dude? This is a thread about little green men, not crazy "what-ifs" involving black holes.

(Turns out the speed of light is 299792458 m/s. I'm pretty sure you can't eliminate that "per seconds" bit there without just creating a very very long meterstick.)
 

CERU

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I believe that there is life out there, but who knows if its "higher?" According to my biology professor, life is the next step from self replicating molecules, so ... I may not know much but, couldn't "life" in the outer universe be very different from whatever we could imagine it to be? And it doesn't have to be a "higher" life form, nor does it have to be "intelligent." Who is to say that the life form would even be made of cells? We are only cells because that was the how the original life forms adapted to the environment right? So theoretically, couldn't life out there be something that operates and exists in a form that is edit: very foreign to our understanding of how life operates?
 
I can't believe in something until I experience it. I haven't experienced any higher lifeforms first hand, so therefore, I can't believe them.

There well may be 'higher beings', but I have no proof. Nor does anyone else.
 
I'm not going to say that you're lying that you're listening to music, yet I have no proof. It's not a 'I can't see you so you're not there' logic at all. It's a 'until it shows some proof, theres no reason to believe in it' sort've thing.

And I've been to Africa.
 

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