Debate: middle class privalege (..from, black privalege)
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It's called positive discrimination. Government is allowed to be racist pricks to their own people if it makes the rest of the world happy.
At my school everyone is involved in black history month.
What really, really infuriates me is racism. For some reason when there's an assault that involves a black guy it's instantly racially motivated and also ethnic minorities are still called ethnic minorities in my area despite the locals making up ~25% of the local population.
There was a young boy in Birmingham who was bullied for being white and English...In ENGLAND. What the hell.
This is why the BNP and UKIP are getting more and more votes, this should not happen, why can't people just let people be PEOPLE and not discriminate against anyone, even if they think it's for the greater good.
Also, I thought it was the law that disabled people should be given more slack when looking for work? Why aren't they? Perhaps that falls into a similar issue as this does.
I'm not middle-class, I'm white, male, native to my country and disabled.
At my school everyone is involved in black history month.
What really, really infuriates me is racism. For some reason when there's an assault that involves a black guy it's instantly racially motivated and also ethnic minorities are still called ethnic minorities in my area despite the locals making up ~25% of the local population.
There was a young boy in Birmingham who was bullied for being white and English...In ENGLAND. What the hell.
This is why the BNP and UKIP are getting more and more votes, this should not happen, why can't people just let people be PEOPLE and not discriminate against anyone, even if they think it's for the greater good.
Also, I thought it was the law that disabled people should be given more slack when looking for work? Why aren't they? Perhaps that falls into a similar issue as this does.
I'm not middle-class, I'm white, male, native to my country and disabled.
I'm against any and all discrimination basically. At my school, they read out a list of names in assembley and asked them to stay behind. There was general uproar as people realised down the list it was all the black people. It turned out afterwards it was to take part in black history month.
Granted, in protest, my history teacher on hearing about it decided to dedicate a few lessons to watching and discussing Roots, but that was his decision and not part of the month.
Granted, in protest, my history teacher on hearing about it decided to dedicate a few lessons to watching and discussing Roots, but that was his decision and not part of the month.
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It's a proven fact that minorities are less successful and make less money in the workplace than caucasians.
In the United States, there is an extremely disproportionate amount of homeless black people in comparison to whites.
http://stanford.edu/group/scspi/cgi-bin/facts.php
College enrollment is lowest among blacks.
http://stanford.edu/group/scspi/cgi-bin/facts.php
On average, black people and Hispanics make far less money in the workplace than whites.
http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032006/p ... 03_128.htm
There's a reason why many scholarships are targeted towards minorities such as black people and Native Americans. Ever since the abolishment of slavery, black people have earned less money and have overall lived deeper in poverty than whites. Research has shown, over and over again, that income inequality between black people and white people is a definitive fact.
Why should we be criticizing scholarships that are targeted towards those minorities that struggle to succeed in a white-dominated world? Why should we be feeling sorry for white people, who have by far the easiest time earning a high salary? Any incentive that gives minorities a better chance of succeeding should be welcomed with open arms.
In the United States, there is an extremely disproportionate amount of homeless black people in comparison to whites.
http://stanford.edu/group/scspi/cgi-bin/facts.php
College enrollment is lowest among blacks.
http://stanford.edu/group/scspi/cgi-bin/facts.php
On average, black people and Hispanics make far less money in the workplace than whites.
http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032006/p ... 03_128.htm
There's a reason why many scholarships are targeted towards minorities such as black people and Native Americans. Ever since the abolishment of slavery, black people have earned less money and have overall lived deeper in poverty than whites. Research has shown, over and over again, that income inequality between black people and white people is a definitive fact.
Why should we be criticizing scholarships that are targeted towards those minorities that struggle to succeed in a white-dominated world? Why should we be feeling sorry for white people, who have by far the easiest time earning a high salary? Any incentive that gives minorities a better chance of succeeding should be welcomed with open arms.
Yes, there is a definite barrier, but it's not solved by giving everything to the minorities and then nothing to the "majority".
We should definately feel sorry for "white people" who end up in the same situation as the "minorities".
No, we shouldn't feel sorry for "white people" as a whole, but we shouldn't be dealing with anything "as a whole". That's discrimination and that's where the problems come in.
Balance it, yes. But don't tip the seesaw all the way so as to make white people now have to suffer as penance or something for making others suffer in the past. Everyone's supposed to be equal, not "equal over somebody else".
It's terrible that jane doe black person has a hard life, but jim bob white person does too, giving jane doe a scholarship for being black just makes jim bob the new minority.
(I posted this so we could have a heated debate and yay it's working :D)
We should definately feel sorry for "white people" who end up in the same situation as the "minorities".
No, we shouldn't feel sorry for "white people" as a whole, but we shouldn't be dealing with anything "as a whole". That's discrimination and that's where the problems come in.
Balance it, yes. But don't tip the seesaw all the way so as to make white people now have to suffer as penance or something for making others suffer in the past. Everyone's supposed to be equal, not "equal over somebody else".
It's terrible that jane doe black person has a hard life, but jim bob white person does too, giving jane doe a scholarship for being black just makes jim bob the new minority.
(I posted this so we could have a heated debate and yay it's working :D)
Draycos Goldaryn
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I feel calling it "Black History Month" is wrong. Honestly, the blacks were not the only ones to have civil rights movements. They were not the only ones to get the shit end of the stick. In my opinion, I feel it should be changed to "Civil Rights History Month" And cover all topics related to civil rights like: women's vote, Women's rights, Asian, irish, mexican, and all the other civil right movements made around the world.
My brother, before he died, was accepted into an all black college to major in culinary arts. He got a scholarship he had to work harder for because of the color of his skin. He wasn't black. It was seen as a major accomplishment.
I do have more to say on this topic, but I've hit a mental block and can't think clearly right now. I may post more later.
My brother, before he died, was accepted into an all black college to major in culinary arts. He got a scholarship he had to work harder for because of the color of his skin. He wasn't black. It was seen as a major accomplishment.
I do have more to say on this topic, but I've hit a mental block and can't think clearly right now. I may post more later.
Draycos Goldaryn
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then we should devote a month to every racial type. How about mexican history month? Japanese history month? Vietnamese history month? White history month?
And if you pay more attention to it, it is about civil rights. the civil rights of the blacks. Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, Malcolm X, etc... True, it's not all about civil rights, but it is primarily what was drilled into my head when I was in school every February.
And if you pay more attention to it, it is about civil rights. the civil rights of the blacks. Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, Malcolm X, etc... True, it's not all about civil rights, but it is primarily what was drilled into my head when I was in school every February.
Education representative #1: Black history...So what is that?tobacco goldfish":2tc5176q said:
Education representative #2: Hmm...SLAVERY
Education representative #3: RACISM
Education representative #2: Martin Luther King!
Education representative #3: OBAMA
~The history of black people according to most establishments of education~
ok uh
a) slavery is a HUMONGOUS part of black history so if your post is being facetious then try again
b) martin luther king IS a huge part of it too, but so are many other prominent civil rights leaders at the time. alot of people only pay attention to him because he was probably the most influential
c) lol obama
a) slavery is a HUMONGOUS part of black history so if your post is being facetious then try again
b) martin luther king IS a huge part of it too, but so are many other prominent civil rights leaders at the time. alot of people only pay attention to him because he was probably the most influential
c) lol obama
Draycos Goldaryn
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tobacco goldfish":1qy4cm9s said:
I can honestly say i have never had any of those. Only Black History Month and the rest of the year was regular history. Even in World History Class we would take a break from the rest of the world and focus on "Black" History in the month of February, and as near as I can recall, it was always about the Black's ongoing battle for civil rights. Through out the rest of the year, we may cover a little bit on other civil right movements, but no one (other than Blacks) got a whole month dedicated to them year after year. And believe me, after 13 years of Black History month, there is only so many times i can hear the same stories featuring the same people and I got tired of hearing how we, as white people, owe the blacks for our treatment and enslavement of their race.
I don't owe them anything. I did not own any slaves. I did not persecute anyone based on the color of their skin. I never promoted Separate yet Equal. I've had friends of many different ethnicities. And my family (as far as I can trace) did not own slaves. In addition to this, no one I know has ever been or is currently a slave. Yet every day I heard from someone how we "white" people owe them for what we put them through when they hadn't gone through anything. Now they want handouts for something someone had done to their great-great-great-granddaddy/mamma and there are handouts for them. I have tried to get into college, I've looked through scholarships. I've seen scholarships that are given based on race, sex, financial standing, and grades. and none of them I qualify for because i am white, male, neither rich nor poor, and niether top of my class nor bottom either. I'm stuck in the middle and there is no help for me.
tobacco goldfish":1qy4cm9s said:
correction: Prominent Black Civil rights leaders.
I rest my case.
tobacco goldfish":1qy4cm9s said:
I don't look at it that way. we are all shades of brown. We are the human race. we are all equal and people need to stop claiming to be more (or less) equal than others.
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If you are black and slavery over 200 years ago has directly affected your life or anyone you know, please raise you hand.
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I didn't think so, so get off it. Over 6 million Jews were exterminated in the Holocaust, some people who are alive today can still remember when it happened. I don't see Jewish History Month, all the crying about how they don't make enough money, or all the special government subsidies they are given.
It would be great if everyone in this world took responsibility for their own success, and didn't blame it on their race.
It is such a pathetic excuse to blame your own lack of success on your ethnicity. I challenge you to find a black millionaire who got to where he is at, and doesn't say he got there by hard work. He sure as shit ain't gonna say its because of a really nice government program, and he isn't going to be saying that the evil white man fought him the whole way. No, he's going to take personal responsibility for his success, same as he should if he were a failure, but it doesn't seem to go that way does it?
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I didn't think so, so get off it. Over 6 million Jews were exterminated in the Holocaust, some people who are alive today can still remember when it happened. I don't see Jewish History Month, all the crying about how they don't make enough money, or all the special government subsidies they are given.
It would be great if everyone in this world took responsibility for their own success, and didn't blame it on their race.
It is such a pathetic excuse to blame your own lack of success on your ethnicity. I challenge you to find a black millionaire who got to where he is at, and doesn't say he got there by hard work. He sure as shit ain't gonna say its because of a really nice government program, and he isn't going to be saying that the evil white man fought him the whole way. No, he's going to take personal responsibility for his success, same as he should if he were a failure, but it doesn't seem to go that way does it?
If you want people to be equal, treat them equal. If you give any one else any different treatment positive or negative... it's not making everyone equal.
Also I think college should be something that's free to attend. So many people can't afford it or whatever is stopping them, should be able to go. There shouldn't be this super screening tests of who can go where. You just go to it like you go to high school. You can get in and whoever is first to apply there gets in. I also think there should be better distribution for teachers and such. I hate the idea of Harvard or all those high end schools discriminating against "dumb" people. If you want to be taught by good teachers you should have the opportunity to. I think it's total bullshit that if you have such and such test scores and grade averages you go to different places. Not to mention the different costs. Just seems so elitist and ridiculous to me. Everyone is learning all the same thing. I hate all the stuck up hog wash that goes with it. Talk about discrimination... there's other forms of it besides race and sex. You have Yale or Harvard on your resume and BAM you're in; people that have a college education get more jobs than those that don't even if the job doesn't require you to have one.
One less problem in the world would be just to make college a mandatory thing. Cut down on junior/middle school crap and teach high school stuff then... so when you get to high school you're learning stuff that you can USE IN THE REAL WORLD. In high school I just learned the same stuff I learned in middle school... except with Calculus and stuff... but lets face it, it's such a specialized subject why not divide it up better so those that will actually need it in their life only take it. High school should prepare you for getting a job so when you're an adult you can actually have a solid job that you can stand on your own two feet with, instead of having to go into debt or pray for a scholarship based on whatever fun category you need to apply to.
>> Maybe I kinda went on a tangent there...
Also I think college should be something that's free to attend. So many people can't afford it or whatever is stopping them, should be able to go. There shouldn't be this super screening tests of who can go where. You just go to it like you go to high school. You can get in and whoever is first to apply there gets in. I also think there should be better distribution for teachers and such. I hate the idea of Harvard or all those high end schools discriminating against "dumb" people. If you want to be taught by good teachers you should have the opportunity to. I think it's total bullshit that if you have such and such test scores and grade averages you go to different places. Not to mention the different costs. Just seems so elitist and ridiculous to me. Everyone is learning all the same thing. I hate all the stuck up hog wash that goes with it. Talk about discrimination... there's other forms of it besides race and sex. You have Yale or Harvard on your resume and BAM you're in; people that have a college education get more jobs than those that don't even if the job doesn't require you to have one.
One less problem in the world would be just to make college a mandatory thing. Cut down on junior/middle school crap and teach high school stuff then... so when you get to high school you're learning stuff that you can USE IN THE REAL WORLD. In high school I just learned the same stuff I learned in middle school... except with Calculus and stuff... but lets face it, it's such a specialized subject why not divide it up better so those that will actually need it in their life only take it. High school should prepare you for getting a job so when you're an adult you can actually have a solid job that you can stand on your own two feet with, instead of having to go into debt or pray for a scholarship based on whatever fun category you need to apply to.
>> Maybe I kinda went on a tangent there...
dude come on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Paci ... tage_Month
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_H ... tage_Month
I agree that black history month is just OVER DONE, I am black and white dude so ive grown up with hearing it all the time and trust me im not saying BLACK POWER; i think black history month is retarded and I agree with everything you say about slaves, I was just pointing out the fallacies in your posts that BHM is about civil rights when that is only a part of it.
The reason why the slavery part is so FUCKING influential is because a RACE and its GENERATION were treated like shit for over 200 years. even when they received freedom they still got screwed over. its one of those RISE AND OVERCOME shit, but I do agree it went to their heads with our current generation. asians and mexicans dont have shit to really talk about since most of them WERENT SLAVES (hell, mexico outlawed slavery way before the US did).
this has nothing to do with what we are talking about but the rest of your post is actually pretty accurate
if that were the case then the gov't and hundreds of thousands of teachers would be BUTTFUCKED economically. also retention rates are in the shitter so kids would just live off the gov'ts tit for a semester, realize they hate it and then just quit, pretty much flushing thousands of dollars down the toilet hypothetically. college sucks but if you are a minority in most cases it'll pay for itself.
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tobacco goldfish":m58jscsn said:
Find an ethnicity out there who hasn't suffered persecution, most of it MUCH worse. That is not any type of valid argument. I can list 5-10 different ones off the top of my head without google or research that would eclipse the horrors of American slavery in the 1800's. That doesn't mean that it wasn't bad, it just means its time to move the fuck on. What are you rising up and overcoming? Sure there has been prejudice, on both sides in modern history such as the Civil Rights Movement, etc, but the VAST majority of this died decades ago.
Not really anymore money would be lost than to those that drop out of high school. Because the government paid them for x amount of years. Besides it could be that it's free to go to your college nearest you. And if you want to live on the campus then you have to pay for your own room and board because then that's "special" and not really needed for an education. Colleges ask for WAY too much money imo and I doubt the government would pay them that much. It could perhaps meet in the middle. Or maybe goverment could get smart and get rid of useless classes instead of teaching history EVERY YEAR or taking math to stupid levels. If they wanted to, high school could become the new college pretty easily. And then it all pays for itself and everyone is happy.
Hi, if you read my post I said I agree that it is retarded, I was making the point that this is why so much emphasis is on slavery. Today's generation takes way too much credit for this, and they DO need to let it go. The RISE and overcome thing was about THEM not US.
Yeah there are tons of other ethnicities that have suffered persecution but blacks are pretty high up, not as high as jews though. also, it isnt only just because of the suffering but its also because african americans are the second highest demographic in the united states.
Yeah there are tons of other ethnicities that have suffered persecution but blacks are pretty high up, not as high as jews though. also, it isnt only just because of the suffering but its also because african americans are the second highest demographic in the united states.
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