Cross Dressing - Weird?

[Xilef]

Some people get a kick out of dressing as the opposite sex, could this be considered gay? I've read that an entirely straight person has cross dressed atleast once for a joke.
It's loads of fun going out dressed as the opposite sex, even more fun if the opposite sex dresses you aswell. So is it a freaky fetish, mental disorder or what? Your views.

(I like to wear cat ears and make up)

 

[Jason]

You really like to wear that stuff ?

And I think it's extremely wierd, why can't people just learn to live with what they've got, I also think people who had sex changes are wierd too, I don't like them, why not just be happy of what you got and who you are.

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

There's nothing wrong with it, and I'm moving this to the symposium, as it can end up being a debate.

My thing is: If it makes ya happy, it's clothing.  The only thing that says it's "woman's" is after awhile men starting wearing pants - yeah, we wore "female" clothing first people, we only started calling it's type female afterwards.

Hell, I've worn a skirt.  Not my thing but I've worn one.

 

[Xilef]

It's unfair that the sexes are so divided by clothing, sex changes are just too far.

 

[Ellie]

It's unfair that the sexes are so divided by clothing, sex changes are just too far.

Why? People have sex changes because they are actually the other sex, in the wrong body. It's not because they want to be a girl/boy. (They don't let you have "the operation" unless you pass a psychiatric test to make sure you are actually the wrong sex). Plus, it's their choice.

Anyway, OT:

IMO, the whole concept of cross dressing is stupid. They are just clothes. If you feel comfortable in a thong or skirt, wear it. If you are a woman, and prefer the airiness of a pair of boxer shorts, wear them. The only thing really designed specifically for one gender, is a bra (but even then I suppose fat guys could benefit from them ).

 

[bedi nik bzez emak]

;D

 

[iceplosion]

I wear whatever I like wearing.
It just happens that those things I like wearing are mens clothes, I don't really care what other people wear.

 

[Venetia]

I couldn't give two shits about what other people wear, but I'll admit, there's something fundamentally strange about seeing some dude in chick's clothes walking around out in public. It's not like I'll gawk (growing up in So. Cal, you see all kinds of weird shit so it all starts to become less impressive to be unique), but I can't help a subconscious, "wtf?".

It's probably because I'm only really attracted to super masculine dudes and super feminine chicks. It's a turn-off to see a feminine dude or a masculine chick, but other than my sexual perceptions, I have no problems with how people feel like dressing.

It's a nurture-over-nature thing. While gayness is "nature" (let's not get into debating that), hetero transgenders are almost always a product of how they grew up ("nurture"). If their parents or people who surrounded them favored their opposite sex, or if they were influenced majorly by the opposite sex from a young age, it's easy for them to be fascinated in things of the sort.

Likewise, we're all raised on the fundamentals of how people should dress. Boys=pants, girls=skirts. When something is so ingrained, it's hard for most people to blur the line between gender-biased apparel, so people who can blur the line are discriminated against by closed-minded people.

Now, COMPLETE transgenders ... Those who question--or argue--their own gender, even going so far to get it changed surgically ... They are most likely suffering from a deeply seated psychological problem, that is too deep to "fix". I don't think it's really something to fix, though. Not unless the person experiencing the gender confusion has a problem with it and needs help from a psychiatric professional. Especially, if they have some sort of sexual abuse they need to deal with.

But otherwise, it should be completely fine for someone to rebel against the item(s) they were given without choice. I mean, people get tattoos. That's a permanent change to your skin. People dye their hair and wear different-color contacts--that's obviously because they weren't happy with what they were born with. Why should it be any different regarding what's nestled between the legs?

 

[sixtyandaquarter]

Yarg, I'm more worried about the ugly people running around not wearing clothes than to worry about the ugly people running around in the wrong clothes

 

[$t3v0]

I went out on a Wednesday night once (Well known as "gay night") and I found myself in a club FULL of crossdressers. At first it didn't really bother me. But after a while they (not used in an offensive way) started to come over flaunting themselves over our group and being a bit touchy feely. This is when I took one last swig of beer and ordered we left.

The way I see it with crossdressers (Well most of the ones around my parts) is that they're a little TOO open with their image, It's like they HAVE to do something to say "HAY! I WEAR WOMENS CLOTHES!!", and this really annoys me. It isn't just crossdressers that annoy me in this way, It's anyone that flaunts their image to gain attention and make it seem cool to be what they are. When this happens I'm usually very rude and tell them where to go. But people like that just boil my blood.

The most honorable people in my book are people that keep their personal lives to themselves. Because at the end of the day, Nobody really gives a flying fuck if you lick carpet or suck sausages.

Anyway, yeah ... crossdressers!

ew. :p

 

[Sic Semper Tyranosaurus]

The most honorable people in my book are people that keep their personal lives to themselves. Because at the end of the day, Nobody really gives a flying fuck if you lick carpet or suck sausages.

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Anyway! I honestly don't care if people wear skirts or pants. By traditional Puritan standards, most women in the US crossdress very often. Why, I have many female friends who wear pants. And men's shirts! Oh! The terror!

Keep in mind that many years ago, "Oh! The terror!" would have been considered a very reasonable response. If I were to act in such a way now, many people would call me:

A. A sexist douchebag
B. A puritanical weirdo
C. A puritanical sexist douchenozzle

What I'm getting at is that certain double standards are at work in our society that make it more acceptable for women to blur the gender line than it is for men. It's a start, but shouldn't men be entitled to the same freedom to wear the clothes they want? I know that women can catch flak for wearing anything too overly masculine, but it's not like they often get shot in the fucking face.

 

[Venetia]

douchenozzle

heh heh heh

That's a new one  :lol:

I have to use that sometime.

"You sir, are a douchenozzle".

hehehe


About that article you posted there ... Geez, that's just sad. What a world we live in that a kid gets shot just for being flamboyant. God damn. Fucking prick kid, I hope he gets the maximum sentence, and enjoys some quality time in his holding cell with his cellmate that's twice as big and twice as horny.

 

[Cruelty]

sorry, but an 8th grade boy dressing like a female is asking to be singled out, which leads to trouble when youre doing shit like this.

i dont agree with all of this postmodern psycho babble 'accept everybody for who they are' bullshit. there comes a point in your life when you have to determine what people should be accepted for, like things they cant help, and what truly is just plain fucking weird. its good to be open-minded, but dont be so open-minded that your brain falls out.

 

[Jason]

I actually have to go with Cruelty on this, people should understand there is a line, and when you cross it, you're fucked, now maybe if it was just makeup, because lots of "Emo" (Lol I hear it so many times but it actually means NOTHING) kids wear makeup, but wearing high heels and stuff, I'm sorry, but that kid really is asking for it, and if I was there and saw him, I probably would have kicked the confused fucker so hard he'd realise he has a penis, and needs to learn how to use it.

Being A trapped inside B is a load of bullshit, I'm sorry, but it is, thats like going to MacDonalds:
"Hey, I'll have the quarter pounder with cheeze"
*Hands burger over*
"WTF, this is a Big Mac, I wanted a quarter pounder !"
*Take it back and exchange*

Now lets put that into this A trapped inside B with gender:
Baby inside womb: "I want to be a girl"
*Baby is born*
*Baby is now a man aged 21*
"WTF, I'm a man, I wanted to be a girl !
*Sex Change*

You see what I mean ?

You can't just randomly decide "This isn't for me", you should live with what you got, not happy ? Commit suicide, I'd rather someone suicide than have a sex change, it's just really wierd and wrong.

Back to cross dressing anyways, Lol...
Cross dressing is wierd, it isn't normal, if it were, you'd see a 6'4 250lb man looking at size 8 Pink dresses, that, is just wrong, he would need kicking and smashing up with something heavy.

People need to get it straight, if you are a male, you look at the "Mens Section", if your a female, you look at "Womens Section", it's as easy as that, there's no excuse, if a man asked me "Do I look good in this dress ?" I really would slap the fucker 'round the head, IT IS NOT NORMAL.

Now, since I've had my moment of open ranting, lets see what others think lol.

 

[Venetia]

sorry, but an 8th grade boy dressing like a female is asking to be singled out, which leads to trouble when youre doing shit like this.

i dont agree with all of this postmodern psycho babble 'accept everybody for who they are' bullshit. there comes a point in your life when you have to determine what people should be accepted for, like things they cant help, and what truly is just plain fucking weird. its good to be open-minded, but dont be so open-minded that your brain falls out.

You also don't fucking shoot someone twice in the head for rubbing you in the wrong way by expressing themselves in a way you may not agree with. How about just a cold shoulder?

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Also I can't even grace jbrist with a reply. That was more ridiculous than the argument:

im preety sure we get reincarnated in to a potato!!! then we become a bag of chips and later become to be a poop

It's fine for you to have an opinion, but how about a cogent argument?

GHAY PPL SHUD COMMET SUICIDE LULLS if ur not hapy den u cant chang bcuz u get wot u get olol

 

[Cruelty]

sorry, but an 8th grade boy dressing like a female is asking to be singled out, which leads to trouble when youre doing shit like this.

i dont agree with all of this postmodern psycho babble 'accept everybody for who they are' bullshit. there comes a point in your life when you have to determine what people should be accepted for, like things they cant help, and what truly is just plain fucking weird. its good to be open-minded, but dont be so open-minded that your brain falls out.

You also don't fucking shoot someone twice in the head for rubbing you in the wrong way by expressing themselves in a way you may not agree with. How about just a cold shoulder?

what does this have to do wiht what i said? you're acting as if i ever claimed to condone what the kid did. all i said was he was asking for trouble. this thread isn't about the news article whats-his-name posted. i isolated my first statement from the rest of my post for a reason - because the two statements aren't tied together.

 

[Sic Semper Tyranosaurus]

but dont be so open-minded that your brain falls out.

Ahahaha I saw that on a bumper sticker at church once man you sure are a funny funny gay hoo boy. No, really, you're a right reeree, if your posting speaks accurately of you. Women who get raped deserve to be raped because they walk alone at night, and effeminate kids deserve to be killed because, well, they're freakos.

Okay, guy.  :thumb:

Being A trapped inside B is a load of bullshit, I'm sorry, but it is, thats like going to MacDonalds:
"Hey, I'll have the quarter pounder with cheeze"
*Hands burger over*
"WTF, this is a Big Mac, I wanted a quarter pounder !"
*Take it back and exchange*

Now lets put that into this A trapped inside B with gender:
Baby inside womb: "I want to be a girl"
*Baby is born*
*Baby is now a man aged 21*
"WTF, I'm a man, I wanted to be a girl !
*Sex Change*

You see what I mean ?

No, I don't. Like abortion and suicide, transitioning to another gender is something that many people misunderstand as a split-second decision that takes absolutely no real consideration. It requires a lot of introspection, and in most cases is what people perceive as a last resort. It's not easy to kill yourself, to abort a child you're carrying, or to turn your life upside down to make yourself comfortable in your own skin.

It's just so much easier to think of people who commit suicide as spineless cowards with no real problems, women who abort as soulless whores who never regret or think about it, and transgendered people (men AND women) as flighty fags/dykes who can just swap out without any sort of psychological reason. It's easier. It helps us feel better about things that don't make sense to us if we can just dismiss them like that. 

I guess I'm glad that you're happy in your current body, and hope (and just know!) you'd be perfectly happy having the opposite body and gender roles, because hey. Work what you got.  :lol:

 

[Venetia]

what does this have to do wiht what i said? you're acting as if i ever claimed to condone what the kid did. all i said was he was asking for trouble. this thread isn't about the news article whats-his-name posted. i isolated my first statement from the rest of my post for a reason - because the two statements aren't tied together.

Sorry, the way you worded it ... It seemed like that's basically what you were saying. Nevermind then :P

 

[Cruelty]

but dont be so open-minded that your brain falls out.

Ahahaha I saw that on a bumper sticker at church once man you sure are a funny funny gay hoo boy. No, really, you're a right reeree, if your posting speaks accurately of you. Women who get raped deserve to be raped because they walk alone at night, and effeminate kids deserve to be killed because, well, they're freakos.

Okay, guy.  :thumb:

don't try to put words into my mouth, please, and thanks.
i never said anybody deserved to get killed, i said they're drawing a lot of attention, including negative attention, to themselves by dressing like a female when they're not. and also dont assume you know me based on my opinion on crossdressing(which you completely blew out of proportion, btw), because i'm not some homophobic jackass. i simply dont believe that every ridiculous, and stupid thing that everyone does should just be 'accepted' if i don't think it's acceptable. i'm sorry, but the line between gender roles shouldn't just be skewed because some teenage kid is 'confused', and some over-accepting boobs dont see anything weird about it.

..and the fact that you heard the phrase before makes it less valid, i suppose?
i wasn't trying to be funny, and neither should you. i just thought it fit well to round off the point i was getting at.

 

[Zodiac]

Oh give it a rest ladies.

Clothes are just body decorations that serve not only an aesthetic function, but to enhance secondary sex characteristics. Cross-dressing can mean a lot of things; a sort of rebellion against the "gender system" of sorts and challenging what men and women are supposed to look like, it can be a simple fetish, or purely for entertainment or fashion purposes (generally in the case of drag queens who are men that perform in women's clothing and even in the oft androgynous high-fashion world that none of the mundanes here would understand).

Whatever the reason, it's fine by me. I sincerely believe anyone that gets disgusted or insulted in some way by seeing a man in woman's or vice versa clothing should just get over it. Don't you agree there are more pressing concerns in your life than a man or woman wearing differently-configured cloth as garment than you'd expect? That's pretty much what it boils down to.

Besides, not everyone is as status quo as you lovelies. <3