World War 3

[Mr.Mo]

If you have been watching middle east and Asia closely like i am, since my familiy lives in Turkey, you will know that there is a war, besides Iraq.

The war started when a terrorist group attacked Israel. Israel then retaliated by attacking lebonan. They are still figting because of Syria and the terrorist groups helping lebonan(which isn't smart, poor lebonan people).

In the mean time;

North Korea is running tests with their nuclear bombs, one of them was about to hit Hawaii but messed up on the way and fell in the ocean(so i heard). They also called their ambessedors for a meating which is very rare.

Thaiwand is also making the 2nd biggest army. Looks like they are getting ready for war too. Their options are to attack China or ally with them, which is worse.

China is also showing off their military for some reason.

These contries aren't stupid they know whats going on. Turkey's president is worried and advise people to be ready for anything.

My sources are Turkish news and USA news.

To my oppinion yes there will be WW3 if anything. Looks like everything is planned out or something. I mean, all these secret meetings and attacks will cause somekind of big war.

What do you guys think will happen?

 

[BlackStaticWolf]

Full scale war will not break out between the nuclear powers for the same reason that the Cold war didn't turn hot: mutually assured destruction is a very powerful deterant. There might be some conventional warfare, but even that would be quite limited for fear of escalation.

That said, the US has made a mess of it's foreign relations. I blame the last... uh... You know I can't really think of a president that didn't make a mess of foreign relations. It might just be because I'm tired.

North Korea is running tests with their nuclear bombs, one of them was about to hit Hawaii but messed up on the way and fell in the ocean(so i heard).

Where did you hear that? I've heard nothing of that and it sounds a little... out there. Despite somewhat hostile relations, North Korea would be extremely careful to avoid detonating such tests within range of Hawaii for fear of reprisals (which I can assure you, would complete).

 

[Mega Flare]

I dont know... WW3 could happen anytime in the next 5-15 years. All i just hope none of the fighitng happens in North America

 

[Mr.Mo]

5-15 years?? I was thinking 2 to 5 lol.

War will not break out between the nuclear powers for the same reason that the Cold war didn't turn hot: mutually assured destruction is a very powerful deterant.

True but I would attack North Korea now, before they successfully make a nuclear bomb. Its not that they will use them, they will most likely sell them. You don't want terrorists having Nuclear bombs do you?

 

[Wings]

I agree with BlackStaticWolf on this one. The idea of Taiwan attempting to go head to head with the Chinese is suicide. China is one of the major world powers of today and the country alone holds billions and billions of people. I'm sure their army is quite large to that extent. I also believe Taiwan is an ally of the United States and its other allies.

The war between Israel and the Palestinians has been raging for thousands of years (I think). I don't believe that pulling Lebanon into the middle of it will change the hold in the region. Everything will pretty much stay put.

North Korea is attempting to flex its muscles with their nuclear arms program to scared the United States into lifting economic sanctions against them. They have been doing this very thing for years. North Korea is running dry of resources used to fuel their economy and people. Their people are starving and live in rundown communities because [size=-1]Kim Jong Il is more worried about continuing to oppress the people and threaten other countries.[/size] Most of the annual budget is spent on the military/defence...which really does no good if the soldiers don't have proper equipment and food.

In my personal opinion, it is a lot of talk and not enough follow through. Don't expect these countries to act.

True but I would attack North Korea now, before they successfully make a nuclear bomb. Its not that they will use them, they will most likely sell them. You don't want terrorists having Nuclear bombs do you?

I believe the world is in enough of a position right now with the havoc the United States has created with a two front war. I know George Bush is ignorant, but I don't think he is stupid enough to stretch the military to a three front war.

 

[Mr.Mo]

like I said, thats not my biggest worrie. Its selling "Nuclear Bombs" to terrorists. You aren't going to tell me terrorists are "all talk" either are you?

Edit: oops, I didn't see the last part.. My bad. Did you just add it?, or am i blind lol.

 

[Wings]

like I said, thats not my biggest worrie. Its selling "Nuclear Bombs" to terrorists. You aren't going to tell me terrorists are "all talk" either are you?

Terrorists have been around long before you were born Shark_Tooth. Nuclear weapons the same. Nations have been producing these things for years, so there isn't anything to worry about. An all out nuclear war will result in millions of people dying, countries destroyed, and resources demolished. I don't think anyone wants that in the end (regardless of cultural or faction). As far as some countries are concerned, North Korea and other dictatorships are terrorist organisations. They can possibly get their hands on nuclear warheads, but that isn't going to change a thing.

 

[Mr.Mo]

Do you really think a country like Iraq cares about what happens to US?
I understand your point, it is, Terrorists would be too scared to attack because they will know they will also get bombed but terrorists think they have nothing to loose, why do you think they do suicide bombs? Most terrorists don't even care about their people and say they do.

Also, a very few nations have them because they can make them but not terrorists... Its esier to buy something then make them ;p

I'm not saying terrorist, in general, would be that stupid but its a possiblity.

 

[Vent]

I agree with BlackStaticWolf on this one. The idea of Taiwan attempting to go head to head with the Chinese is suicide. China is one of the major world powers of today and the country alone holds billions and billions of people. I'm sure their army is quite large to that extent. I also believe Taiwan is an ally of the United States and its other allies.

The war between Israel and the Palestinians has been raging for thousands of years (I think). I don't believe that pulling Lebanon into the middle of it will change the hold in the region. Everything will pretty much stay put.

North Korea is attempting to flex its muscles with their nuclear arms program to scared the United States into lifting economic sanctions against them. They have been doing this very thing for years. North Korea is running dry of resources used to fuel their economy and people. Their people are starving and live in rundown communities because [size=-1]Kim Jong Il is more worried about continuing to oppress the people and threaten other countries.[/size] Most of the annual budget is spent on the military/defence...which really does no good if the soldiers don't have proper equipment and food.

In my personal opinion, it is a lot of talk and not enough follow through. Don't expect these countries to act.



I believe the world is in enough of a position right now with the havoc the United States has created with a two front war. I know George Bush is ignorant, but I don't think he is stupid enough to stretch the military to a three front war.

Well, George Bush is already stretching the military enough as it is. The more
He spreads out, the weaker we are. I just hope that George Bush doesnt send troops into another country to "keep peace" with bombs.

Have you seen what is happening in Lebanon? American long range rocket launchers are shooting into random spaces, with hope of destroying weapons and such. But some of the rockets are hitting innocent people. Sometimes I think that American leaders have no regard for other peoples lives.

 

[ryanwh]

I've already explained at another site why this isnt gonna happen. I dont know why people keep thinking China's going to go to war, they WONT. They have a thriving economy, being a successful nation doesnt make you an enemy to other successful nations. The very suggestion is rediculous, its fantasy, its too many video games. It wont happen.

 

[Wings]

Do you really think a country like Iraq cares about what happens to US?
I understand your point, it is, Terrorists would be too scared to attack because they will know they will also get bombed but terrorists think they have nothing to loose, why do you think they do suicide bombs? Most terrorists don't even care about their people and say they do.

Also, a very few nations have them because they can make them but not terrorists... Its esier to buy something then make them ;p

I'm not saying terrorist, in general, would be that stupid but its a possiblity.

Factions and other organisations that wish to do harm on others by the way of suicide bombs...or using weapons like SAM's (Surface to Air Missiles) RPG's (Rocket Propelled Grenades), need some type of funding right? How in the world do you think these terrorists are going to be able to afford buying nuclear warheads (especially when they are running around hiding in holes)?

Everything is possible, but this case scenario doesn't seem very probable. Countries with nuclear arms tend to protect them, and if they are sold...they are sold for a lot of money per head. Right now Iraq is not in the state to be negotiating or buying nuclear arms. The terrorist groups that are still around the area are pretty much going to keep doing the same thing until the forces already occupying the region become demoralised and pull out (like some other countries have).

EDIT: And to quote ryan, is absolutely correct. Some of these countries you have named have too much to lose. It is those countries that are desperate for attention that are causing all of the commotion.

 

[Mr.Mo]

true, true, well mostly atleast.

I guess they are just showing off their power.

 

[Norris]

Deterrence doesn’t always mean prevention. While a nation’s nuclear capability makes any other nation think twice about opening hostilities with it, it’s foolhardy to COMPLETELY rule out such a grand conflict from ever occurring again. War reaps benefits, and such benefits may one day be seen to outweigh the costs, no matter how high…

 

[Ceroscuro]

I don't think the point was that it will never occur again, just that it won't happen any time soon.

 

[Norris]

DZ, read some of ryan's posts over at gw.

http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=48992.40

 

[m_artist200]

:P honestly? I think the whole "North Korean terrorism" thing is blow out of preportion. It is almost guarenteed that North Korean will NOT launch nuclear missles at the United States for the same reason the U.S. won't launch nuclear missles at North Korea. Mutual destruction is NOT a favorable outcome to a war.

I briefly heard something about a missle launched at the US from North Korea, but it broke apart before it could get close.

A fact and a question: North Korea has one of the largest missle arsenals and has a high emphasis on the development and advancement of missle technology. That in mind: If a missle really WAS intended to hit the US, why would it break apart? My answer: It wasn't intended to reach the US.

:P Also, if North Korea ever DOES launch a nuke in the future, it will be because the SOMEONE *cough* has done something stupid like try to invade North Korea. And, if they do launch a missle, odds are it will most likey be aimed a South Korea. (ex: Allied forces against North Korea will most likey be moved/stationed in South Korea to increase the security of the 36th parallel. Naval and Air units will most likely be stationed there as well to refuel.)

 

[Roman Candle]

Nuclear weapons are useless in starting a war. If either Iran or North Korea launch one at the US, the result will be the obliteration of their own country. However, neither would the US be able to launch an offencive against these countries while they have the the power to blast out a chunk of America. Generally, dictators don't gain power by being stupid. And provoking the most powerful country in the world to irradiate you is just not clever.

The situation with Israel only lasts as long as the US backs it. As soon as Isreal starts really threatening world peace, the US only has to pull the funding and the country will collapse. Frankly, it shows some nerve to continually launch these massive offencives over the, lets face it, puny attacks of terrorist organisations. All the violence is doing is creating another generation of children from Isreal, Palestine, and now Lebanon, (the ones that havn't been maimed, anyway), who will hate eachother even more than the last. And all this war in Lebanon is going to teach the terrorists is that capturing soldiers is a fantasic way of getting attention from foreign nations, just like suicide bombing did before. It just seemed like everything was going so well when Sharon withdrew the settles from Palestine. And now it seems that that's been forgotten, on all sides.

Oops, I seem to have had a little bit of a rant there. Anyway, Israel can't support itself with US backing. If that gets pulled, it'll be the end. So no world wars are going to start there. If Iran gets nuclear weapons, it won't be invaded; if it doesn't, it'll be a pushover and won't start a world war. The same for NKorea. And China has absolutely nothing to gain from war with America, a war which it simply won't be able to win, (especially as Europe is very likely to side with the US). I can't believe that the same blind fears from the cold war are presiding here. The Chinese are not *gasp* evil. While the government may do pleanty of terrible things, it obviously means nothing to the US or it would stop its own companies from selling the names of Chinese dissidents to the authorites. So no war there either.

 

[Tohsaka]

And China has absolutely nothing to gain from war with America, a war which it simply won't be able to win, (especially as Europe is very likely to side with the US). I can't believe that the same blind fears from the cold war are presiding here. The Chinese are not *gasp* evil. While the government may do pleanty of terrible things, it obviously means nothing to the US or it would stop its own companies from selling the names of Chinese dissidents to the authorites. So no war there either.

I don't see why the US would even attack China.
Much of the goods that the US uses for entertainment comes from that area, and there is not point in ruining current American lives.

As for a World War... I doubt that the US would be an active participant, looking at the current debts. It might loan money just so a foreign country can purchase weapons from it, but probably not become an active combantant.

 

[ryanwh]

See the dynamic is like this. Athiestic, agnostic or non-theocratic states tend to have a better run economy. Its just a fact, the US isnt theocratic or at least the founders and the leaders have largely not been, that's how it became successful. Theocratic nations are depending on some unforeseen solution to drop in their lap, that's why they never prosper as well as nations that arent counting on a miracle to sustain themselves. So, naturally, the nations in power have a higher value for their life because they're in higher doub that there's anything surpassing it. The poeple with nukes are too afraid to ewver use the nukes for any reason. The only people willing to use nukes are in theocratic nations, and therefore will never have the proper technology to harness nukes. The only way a nuclear war could happen is if China or the US sells a nuke to them directly and that'll simply never happen. Right now we're set to prevent theocratic nations from having the time to harness nukes because they're just crazy enough to use them. North Korea isnt a problem for us now, they'd only be a problem if we suddenly decided to stop monitoring them for 15 years. Same with Iran, they wont have nukes for a very long time even if left to make them. Sort of a "nipping in the bud" to prevent the mindset of massive death over self preservation and the power to create massive death from ever coming together.

 

[Roman Candle]

ryanwh, I have to disagree with what you say about theocracies. I simply don't think it's true that theocracies have poor economic policies because they are hoping for an 'economic miracle', and I can't think of a single example of it.