Why Japan should never, EVER get liscenses to american shows....
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Look at that guy crawling on walls! Spider-Man!
Fighting Crime is the name of the Game!
He goes around in his fancy suit and beats up generic looking bad guys! Spider-Man!
Has a nice beat to it.
Look at that guy crawling on walls! Spider-Man!
Fighting Crime is the name of the Game!
He goes around in his fancy suit and beats up generic looking bad guys! Spider-Man!
Has a nice beat to it.
most of the Office fans I know prefer office US. And they are all brits :p
watching spider man now. the subbers are even more annoying when you realise they have no clue about japanese and are just writing their own script :p but I suppose that only bothers a tiny minority of people watching this. Since the real script is hilariously cheesy I am almost tempted to try to translate it. Cuz, you know, I am not nearly busy enough.
Here's a way funnier example of Toei Spiderman http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=ABcsBS1GHL0
watching spider man now. the subbers are even more annoying when you realise they have no clue about japanese and are just writing their own script :p but I suppose that only bothers a tiny minority of people watching this. Since the real script is hilariously cheesy I am almost tempted to try to translate it. Cuz, you know, I am not nearly busy enough.
Here's a way funnier example of Toei Spiderman http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=ABcsBS1GHL0
Seen the Spiderman thing awhile ago (like, two or three years ago, but anyways :P)
I think this is more of why people other than the original creators should not take on outside liscenses, regardless of country. But yeah, taking outside IP and converting it to fit your own countries culture, it's just real suck all around. The reason Disney movies (the good ones) work is because their themes are universal. Also, everyone can relate to Peter Parker when he complains about how much his life sucks. He doesn't need flying mechs and power ranger style Japanese entertainment culture shenanagains.
It's the same way with that new Romeo and Juliet anime. Might as well put a wig on Freeza and play old episodes of Dragon Ball Z and call that Romeo and Juliet. Makes me so angry...
And what's wrong with the IT Crowd? Personally I loved it.
I think this is more of why people other than the original creators should not take on outside liscenses, regardless of country. But yeah, taking outside IP and converting it to fit your own countries culture, it's just real suck all around. The reason Disney movies (the good ones) work is because their themes are universal. Also, everyone can relate to Peter Parker when he complains about how much his life sucks. He doesn't need flying mechs and power ranger style Japanese entertainment culture shenanagains.
It's the same way with that new Romeo and Juliet anime. Might as well put a wig on Freeza and play old episodes of Dragon Ball Z and call that Romeo and Juliet. Makes me so angry...
And what's wrong with the IT Crowd? Personally I loved it.
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I... really don't see anything wrong with it. O.o; Sentai (aka Power Rangers) and other such superheros are really big in Japanese pop culture. Hell, sentai shows date back to the 1970s, starting with Himitsu Sentai Goranger, which not only lasted 84 episodes (roughly three or four seasons; the longest of all of them) but also spawned a movie.
With this case it is not so much a matter of culture. The monster-of-the-week style and the giant robot, the two biggest travesties in the show, were pushed on the directors by Bandai, who wanted to be able to sell toys. Toei wanted to make it somewhat faithful to Spiderman - although many story aspects WERE changed, like Spiderman getting his powers from aliens, and having a bracelet, and being Japanese.
People who have watched the show say there are actually some pretty good things about it as long as you don't associate it with spiderman. I dunno though. "Supaidaa roupu!"
People who have watched the show say there are actually some pretty good things about it as long as you don't associate it with spiderman. I dunno though. "Supaidaa roupu!"
My issue with it isn't the Japanese-ness, it's the name. You can't argue that the company used the name to attract viewers. If it were it's own show by itself I wouldn't have a problem, but it's not, it's Spider-man. If you say Spider-man it should have some kind of connection to the series other than the iconic character. That's like making a Mickey Mouse cartoon that's really a live-action murder mystery show about a detective in a Mickey Mouse suit. You could do a show about a detective in a stuffed animal suit just as well, but by saying "Mickey Mouse Mysteries" people will watch it because of the name, and I think that's wrong.
I don't like it when producers buy the rights to something, only to redo the entire story and setup of the series but keep the logo/name of the series and have maybe one thing in common with the original source material. It shows that the creators couldn't come up with anything good on their own so they decided to ride the coat-tails of someone else.
If I went and bought the rights to, say Harry Potter, and then wrote a novel about a middle-aged indian man named Harry Potter who sells auto-insurance and somehow winds up as a hit man for the mob people would call me a rip off artist. I'd only be using the Harry Potter name to get attention, and that's what Bandai wound up doing with this project no matter how much the actual writers and creators of the show protested.
And how could you not associate it with Spider-man? He's a guy in a red spider costome shooting webs and climbing up buildings. This isn't even a "looks like a duck sounds like a duck" kind of situation.
I don't like it when producers buy the rights to something, only to redo the entire story and setup of the series but keep the logo/name of the series and have maybe one thing in common with the original source material. It shows that the creators couldn't come up with anything good on their own so they decided to ride the coat-tails of someone else.
If I went and bought the rights to, say Harry Potter, and then wrote a novel about a middle-aged indian man named Harry Potter who sells auto-insurance and somehow winds up as a hit man for the mob people would call me a rip off artist. I'd only be using the Harry Potter name to get attention, and that's what Bandai wound up doing with this project no matter how much the actual writers and creators of the show protested.
And how could you not associate it with Spider-man? He's a guy in a red spider costome shooting webs and climbing up buildings. This isn't even a "looks like a duck sounds like a duck" kind of situation.
LMFAO
Just... Laughing a lot at this aberration... xD
Spiderman!
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And Marveller
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SPIDERMAN FTW!!!
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SPIDERMAN FTW!!!
Just... Laughing a lot at this aberration... xD
I think you're seeing it the wrong way, Ixis. This was an attempt to 'port spiderman to Japan, where he was unheard of, not an attempt to cash in on his name. Nobody knew who Spiderman was in Japan before this came out, and they still pretty much think of this robot-riding bracelet-wearing webslinger as the "real" spiderman. There was no popularity to cash in on! The closest they had was a minor manga based more faithfully on the American comic, and it was not famous nor successful.
Erk;118076 said:
If that's the case then why use the Spider-man name at all? If no-one knew or cared who Spider-man was why even bother? Why not just make another sentai-ranger series? That's like EA making a game called Cave Story in America where you play a white robot with a red hat that plays baseball. Many gamers in the US don't know about Cave Story (Doukutsu Monogatari), so why use the name in the first place? Why waste the money?
If you want to "port" Spider-man (or any other IP) you should remain faithful somewhat to the original. There was obviously something in the original Spider-man that made it popular among people in America and it wasn't just the name and the outfit.:-/ Spider-man is defined by his name, costume and web slinging abilities, but it's Peter Parker's sarcastic attitude and perpetual looser-dom that made Spider-man popular. Maybe the folks at Bandai didn't see or understand this, but when cultural schism takes precedence over the story you're wasting your time. A good story is not bound by culture, place or time.
So what´s the point of "porting" the Spiderman series? Why not just translating it, like what happens in almost everything we get from outside our countries? This, for me, is some kind of plagiarism, and will never left to be it.
Also, even if they had not the intention on charging on this, i´m quite sure they earned something. No one makes a series for free... And now that´s the result of all that mess:
For me it´s like taking the Kaizer template, change its name to Linkin Template and claim that it´s my creation.
Also, even if they had not the intention on charging on this, i´m quite sure they earned something. No one makes a series for free... And now that´s the result of all that mess:
Plagiarism!
For me it´s like taking the Kaizer template, change its name to Linkin Template and claim that it´s my creation.
The whole thing seemed pointless and weird to me. If Bandai wants to spend their money that way they're free to do so.
I guess maybe by buying the Spider-man liscense and affecting public opinion they kind of changed the market in Japan for Marvel products, I don't know.
I wonder if the Japanese still see Spider-man as a robot using sentai-warrior after those Hollywood Spider-man movies where released?
I guess maybe by buying the Spider-man liscense and affecting public opinion they kind of changed the market in Japan for Marvel products, I don't know.
I wonder if the Japanese still see Spider-man as a robot using sentai-warrior after those Hollywood Spider-man movies where released?
No... This is an intended market move to keep the western culture away (including comics), so anime and live actions can reign forever in Japan lol
Seriously, i just can´t see the point of remaking Spiderman... But i could at lest laugh a lot at that ugly face! xD
Seriously, i just can´t see the point of remaking Spiderman... But i could at lest laugh a lot at that ugly face! xD